thismeinteil
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Good competition is good for the industry. We don't need to continue to prop up a failing brand just for the sake of competition. Besides, Sony already has competition from PC and Nintendo.
Xbox has been in the red for 25 years now.Of course a zombie division tell me who has the most games and publishers between Sony and Xbox who has been giving there customers Hella value between Gamepass and PSN ???? And Xbox gross billions of dollars otherwise they would shut it down not forge ahead with new hardware and games ….
If there is no jump in tech, consumers won't buy it. They obviously need to make the system the best they can even if there is no competition, otherwise people will just stick to their PS5s and won't upgrade.the want their team they backed to win, so they can feel better about themselves and that they were right. If Microsoft was to die an ENORMOUS hole in gaming would be gone. They own the biggest and most beloved franchises for a TON of gamers. Imagine No Halo, COD, Forza, GEARS, Diablo, WOW, etc...
I think most people want the console and system to die and that Microsoft goes third party. I want a revised emphasis on POWER from Microsoft. They are capable of making a great console and tech, and would ensure Sony continues to innovate. I feel the PS6 has already stepped back their R&D based on no competition for the high end. We will get a PRO 1.5 as the PS6 now instead of a 2x system IMHO.
Think slight spec bump
And also Xbox? What's the problem? PC is more expensive so many people will prefer consoles, and they may prefer Xbox for different reasons like controller, Game Pass, UI, whatever and not give a shit about Sony exclusives.But most of the games are on or coming to pc n playstation
Like how playstation is memberrries for you, because you got a PS1 in 1997?MS was a horrible company before Xbox, then they had 15 minutes where Xbox was awesome and now it's memberberries for people who were young and impressionable at that time.
We are screwed now but gaming would have been better off if Xbox just disappeared before the deal went through. Now if it went poof there isn't too much left, which is a pretty bad state of affairs.
Xbox is too big to fail both in IP and money so brace for infinite entries in acquired IP that come off like live action Disney adaptations until they decide to turn off the spigot. With much of the original talent behind those IP lost and work farmed out to India naturally (since we're so concerned about jobs).
They're just taking after their cult leaders, sony. Who moneyhatted sega out of business, even refused to give PS2 devkits to devs who were making dreamcast games. Always funny hearing sony fanboys cry about "Xbox is anti-comp". Sony has been following the same business strat since the 90s. Moneyhat all the comp out of business, they thought they did it too. And that's why we got a 600 dollar PS3, with barely any launch games.If that's the mindset, then we might as well throw out any developer that doesn't outsell Rockstar
Your logic is completely unhinged. "They didn't win, so they should die"? Since when did second place mean deletion from existence? Apparently thats how emotionally fragile fanboys cope with competition
Companies don't just vanish because they're not number 1. By that logic, should Nintendo have vanished during the Wii U era? Should Sony have been put out to pasture after the PS3 launch blunder? Of course not, they adapted, innovated, and came back swinging
Bro thinks second place means a company gets Thanos-snapped out of existence lmfaoooo
This feels like saying N64 didn't do the analog stick first because of Atari or arcade versions from before...but we know when someone says "they did analog first" they mean analog thumb stick design in a handle and the rest is getting into semantics.Not Xbox?
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Lets run through it for those at the back.
Paid online -
Xbox were not the first to offer paid online.
Forced MTX is kind of a throwaway line, but uh yeah again DRM. Depends on the context. There is online DRM for ereaders...whatever...we're talking about video games. You can't un-see the 2013 E3 where Xbox was lambasted for all their draconian DRM decisions whereupon Sony trolled them with "how to share your game on PS4". It was so bad that MS had to walk back many decisions (only to slowly move back in the direction of their dream world step by careful step in the years since). Again Xbox is a trailblazer not for making great games but making the status quo worse.Forced microtransactions during the 360 era
What do you mean "forced" I'm not aware of being forced to buy anything. Wasn't Horse Armor widely regarded are one of the first MTX? So blame Bethesda. (you can't give Xbox credit for this just because they own them now, otherwise we have to give them credit for Skyrim etc as well.;
Online DRM
Xbox did not invent online DRM as far as im aware.
My death is inevitable so we may as well get it over with.Pushing for the death of physical games
Inevitable regardless
It's apparent he is blaming MS for making a choice bad for gaming not for being the first ever to make that choice. They do have a habit of buying up assets, firing everyone and keeping the IPs. Has Sony done it before -yes. With MS it's a cancer that spreads every other Wednesday.Closure of great studios
Psygnosis, Evolution Studios say hello.
Constant lies
I'll give you this one.
Like how playstation is memberrries for you, because you got a PS1 in 1997?
All of these compete in the same market. Set-top, powerful consoles, that can play modern AAA games at 60+fps, is Xbox and PS. Which is the "duopoly" you have right now. Even sony agrees that Nintendo isn't comp, because Nintendo does it's own thing and is it's own market.Who else will compete with PlayStation though?
Sure, PC and Switch exist, but neither are direct competition if you want a traditional box under the TV that plays all the non Nintendo games.
Valve?
They have a great platform in Steam, but it would just be a repeat of Steambox again, they can't compete with Sony on manufacturing, hardware support and rollout. They barely make any games these days either.
Apple?
Huge gaming store/platform, a massive hardware distribution business, but they don't make any games.
I think going forward Switch and PlayStation will have a duopoly when it comes to consoles.
Coca-Cola vs Pepsi
Windows vs Mac
iPhone vs Android
Airbus vs Boeing
Marvel vs DC
Visa vs Mastercard
Many markets end up with way, remember all the old phone operating systems like Symbian, PalmOS, BlackBerryOS and Windows Phone? Now we have just 2, and no one's going to disrupt that, it's just too late.
Which is why cloud saves are free on steam and Xbox, but paywalled on PS? Wait a minute...Without Xbox Live we'd be in a world of free online multiplayer and free cloud saves. Fuck XBL.
Most of these are on PC and DS2 will be on PC eventually as well...Sorry, you are right, they are more than 25:
- Astro's Playroom (PS5 only)
- Astro Bot (2024) (PS5 only)
- Demon's Souls (PS5 only)
- Destruction AllStars (PS5 only)
- Returnal (PC)
- Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
- (PC)
- Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered
- (PC)
- Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales
- (PC)
- Marvel's Spider-Man 2
- (PC)
- Gran Turismo 7 (PS5 only)
MLB The Show 21MLB The Show 22MLB The Show 23MLB The Show 24- God of War Ragnarök
- Horizon Forbidden West
- Horizon Call of the Mountain
- Firewall Ultra
- The Last of Us Part I Remastered
- The Last of Us Part II Remastered
- Helldivers 2
- Rise of the Ronin (not really first party, but it's funded by sony)
- Stellar Blade
- Sackboy: A Big Adventure (developed by third-party but IP owned by Sony)
- Days Gone Remastered
- Death Stranding Director's Cut (not really first party, but it's funded by sony and back at the time, the IP was property of Sony)
- Death Stranding 2 On The Beach (not really first party, but it's funded by sony)
Edited, as MLB it's multi, lol. I didn't know that
Did you see those leaked sales from their biggest franchises? Lol, they can't afford it. Their best selling Sonic game couldn't even hit 5 million despite their games being available everywherefor Sega to return
Paid Xbox astroturfers were annoying to deal with 24/7 until the moment Xbox went third party.
Persona almost 8 million , you only saw what you wanted to see.Did you see those leaked sales from their biggest franchises? Lol, they can't afford it. Their best selling Sonic game couldn't even hit 5 million despite their games being available everywhere![]()
There's a lot less green in that chart now.
Safe to say no more brunches in Xbox's future...?This has been my number one issue for a long, long time. This and the related brand of "outreach" as it's evolved over the years.
Safe to say no more brunches in Xbox's future...?
Not at all. It's a whole culture they've been working on for 20 years. If nothing else, it would go on without input from ms just on momentum for quite a while.
Not "most" at all. If Microsoft were to buy Ubisoft and force them to make good games again, "most" people would love that. MS problem is that they are directionless and have a moron at the helm.I want to believe most want Xbox strategy of buying big studios/publishers to fail. Also, the "ambassadors" spreading bullshit was trash.
Remember Microsoft Didn't create any of these franchises and just bought them. Knowing this, your argument sounds more like an hostage-taking: "If microsoft disappear, everything you love will too". But the truth is that all the creative heads behind all these franchises fled from their studios as soon as MS bougt them and since then, most of their sequels are bad. So yeah, I'd rather for MS to fail, have all these franchises disappear and see some good spiritual successor not cursed by MS shitty management.the want their team they backed to win, so they can feel better about themselves and that they were right. If Microsoft was to die an ENORMOUS hole in gaming would be gone. They own the biggest and most beloved franchises for a TON of gamers. Imagine No Halo, COD, Forza, GEARS, Diablo, WOW, etc...
MS's Xbox is an American company and we need to keep jobs here in the US. For some reason everyone here wants MS to fail and make PS the only player in the console market. This would be extremely bad for everyone.
Also, Xbox gave us Xbox Live, GamePass and Halo. Without those, who knows where we would be.
Competition for a good and we need to buy Xbox products.
No one is "hoping and praying" Xbox goes away.As much as many of you hope and pray that Xbox goes away, I do not think they are going anywhere anytime soon. They probably make most of their money on Game Pass and game licenses. They do not need to even sell hardware anymore.
Actually, gamers were not buying games long before Gamepass. Mass Effect Collection, FF15 and MGS5 to name a few for example sold much worst on XBox compared to the PlayStation versions. The ratio was something like 20/80 in sales for both consoles with the percentage favoring the PlayStation.You absolutely can blame gamepass for it.. once you get used to not buying games, thats how you live, maybe if something like GTA comes out or some universally praised game, you go the extra mile, but outside of that you just wait for the "eventually" gamepass release.
I don't know. Every week someone posts how low their hardware sales are and how that must mean the end is near. Not to mention the endless "they do not know what the fuck they are doing" posts about management there, because people here know better.No one is "hoping and praying" Xbox goes away.
We are merely all watching their slow and steady transition into a 3rd party digital only quasi-hardware brand/entity.
Valid point and I definitely understand that, but this has been going on long before Gamepass even existed and it's still going on for games that have never even been on the service. For example, FF16 which is a major release that only sold 22,000 copies and it's not on Gamepass. PS5 version sold over 3 million copies in a few days. I know it's a later port, but that's absolutely abysmal. Let's see how Black Myth Wukong does on XBOX. I don't think they will buy that either unfortunately. Games like Lies of P, Wuchang and Ninja Gaiden are day one on Gamepass which is great and all, but even the companies know none of those games are going to sell well on XBOX.MS want me to buy GamePass, I get alot of content on it with everything day 1.
How the fuck is it my fault I don't buy games? MS give me all the games I need.
CoD? Comes with my sub, FIFA even comes if you wait a few months.
They are the only games most gamers buy in the UK!
MS's Xbox is an American company and we need to keep jobs here in the US. For some reason everyone here wants MS to fail and make PS the only player in the console market. This would be extremely bad for everyone.
Also, Xbox gave us Xbox Live, GamePass and Halo. Without those, who knows where we would be.
Competition for a good and we need to buy Xbox products.