Unknown Soldier
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I must be imagining the near daily Nintendo is doomed threads here or something
Don't pretend that GAF only doomposts about Xbox lmao
If competition is good for the industry, why does everyone want Xbox to fail?
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Don't pretend that GAF only doomposts about Xbox lmao
Gambit2483
Member
GAF likes to shit-talk every console that doesn't rhyme with waystation.
There I said It.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Who knows? Maybe not paying to play console games online?
You make it sound like we have had a hand in this. The only impact I have had on Xbox is through purchasing their products.
Meanwhile, this is the kind of stuff that is constantly coming out of the Xbox camp.
They claim victim but are constantly slinging. The Xbox influencers have done more to sour me toward Xbox and pushed me toward Sony than anything else. I game on everything but over the years I found myself defending Sony because their influencers could never just STFU and the little green soldiers would run out and spread the FUD.
Do I want them to fail? No! I wanted them to get their shit together. I can't help it that they....
/stops stealing links others have posted.
No offence intended, but I don't think those XboxEra guys are spokespeople for Xbox fans. Take a look on their forum and you'll see low numbers of people logged in. Take a look now and there are 5 people on there.
Holding them up as some kind of paragon of what Xbox fans are seems ridiculous. Xbox fans don't seem to actually like them or their site and forums.
You follow that up with a quote from a troll account and claim it's the quality of discourse that made you buy one product over another..?
clarky
Gold Member
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Sega did paid online with the Dreamcast, hardly obscure.
Your death has always been inevitable, the death of physical media will largely down to consumer choice. Are Xbox pushing the hardest right now? Absolutely but PC has been digital for years so that ones a bust as well.
Etc etc.
Dude was claiming that Xbox did all that first. They did not. You can't argue with facts. Well you can, because you just did, but you'll be wrong.Sorry this post just seems a bit disingenuous...
This feels like saying N64 didn't do the analog stick first because of Atari or arcade versions from before...but we know when someone says "they did analog first" they mean analog thumb stick design in a handle and the rest is getting into semantics.
Likewise it's MS that blessed us with a fee to play multiplayer games you already purchased on a console. Whatever obscure online service or function you are thinking of, it's not what we mean when we say "paid online", it's that. Xbox used their 15 minutes of fame with software like Halo to normalize paid online, if there's any silver lining maybe Sony and Nintendo will be more rewarded than them for it.
Forced MTX is kind of a throwaway line, but uh yeah again DRM. Depends on the context. There is online DRM for ereaders...whatever...we're talking about video games. You can't un-see the 2013 E3 where Xbox was lambasted for all their draconian DRM decisions whereupon Sony trolled them with "how to share your game on PS4". It was so bad that MS had to walk back many decisions (only to slowly move back in the direction of their dream world step by careful step in the years since). Again Xbox is a trailblazer not for making great games but making the status quo worse.
My death is inevitable so we may as well get it over with.
It's apparent he is blaming MS for making a choice bad for gaming not for being the first ever to make that choice. They do have a habit of buying up assets, firing everyone and keeping the IPs. Has Sony done it before -yes. With MS it's a cancer that spreads every other Wednesday.
Sega did paid online with the Dreamcast, hardly obscure.
Your death has always been inevitable, the death of physical media will largely down to consumer choice. Are Xbox pushing the hardest right now? Absolutely but PC has been digital for years so that ones a bust as well.
Etc etc.
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RetroGamingUK
Member
If he's European then he probably didn't know.
Online was free here, though it was slower with fewer games.
clarky
Gold Member
Yup. Xbox normalised it but they knicked the idea from Sega.
We all know MS rarely have any original ideas of their own. Everything is either stolen, borrowed or bought. I'd be very surprised if company came up anything first.
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Bloody Crow of Cainhurst
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Lmfao at this shite, it hasn't even been two years since Xbox was going to "destroy Sony" by releasing the 99 Metacritic exclusive 'Starfield' and it's been even less time since Phil was generously offering only three more years of CoD to Jim Ryan as part of making regulators happy.
These Xbox C-Suite assclowns and the annoying internet console warriors they keep on payroll were confident that they were dealing a fatal blow to Playstation by buying up 60% of the industry. It feels so good to watch this arrogant to the core organization go extinct, along with their annoying acolytes.
These Xbox C-Suite assclowns and the annoying internet console warriors they keep on payroll were confident that they were dealing a fatal blow to Playstation by buying up 60% of the industry. It feels so good to watch this arrogant to the core organization go extinct, along with their annoying acolytes.
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Shane89
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The list I made is to compare first party exclusives vs third party exclusives since you said third party exclusives games are more than first party, but if you wanna play the PC card for first party, ok, let's play that card for third party too.
Third party exclusives without a PC release: Probably ZERO.
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DryvBy
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Or we just hate that MS couldn't win and decided to hail Mary and buy up entire publishers route, only to lose.
When you get too greedy, we want to see failure. Now a bunch of IPs will die in the hands of MS just like a bunch of IPs have died under EA, Activision (back then) and other companies.
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djjinx2
Member
Wait MS IS Third Party
Alot of what you posted isn't first party OR exclusive. Anyway I am missing the point clearly. Let's leave it there as list wars are pointless.
Can we agree MS and Sony are both shitting the bed this gen?? (Aware MS has shat the bed waaayyyy longer)
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
"Healthy competition". Lol fuck off.
THIS!!!
These absurd Xbots are delusional. The incontravertable proof is in and has been since these internal docs were released.
"Competition is good!!!! Please buy muh excs-box!!!!!".... Noooooooooo... Healthy competition is good. Xbox's approach to competition is fucking toxic and anti-consumer, and it's not just Xbox... look at MS's historical track record and all the anti-consumer BS they've done and been caught with their pants down. Fuck em!!!!
The industry is MUCH better off without the likes of MS trying to "compete" in it. Let Xbox collapse and let another new competitor come in and have a go, e.g. Samsung or Amazon.
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Randall365
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Microsoft want Prime Video for games. An ocean of mediocre shit with everyone playing different things and releases meaning nothing because nobody has to decide which games to buy.
Sony and Nintendo are preserving my youth - big, talked-about releases, with a shared experience, as we all jump on at the same time. Exclusives that make the consoles a genuine choice.
I prefer the latter.
Sony and Nintendo are preserving my youth - big, talked-about releases, with a shared experience, as we all jump on at the same time. Exclusives that make the consoles a genuine choice.
I prefer the latter.
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Hudo
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To be fair, only Iwata was a dev. Yamauchi, Kimishima and Furukawa were/are finance bros.
But Nintendo knows how to keep people and build institutional knowledge, which is the biggest asset they have. Microsoft, like all other "big tech" companies, hire and fire people constantly, which is part of the reason why Microsoft seem to not know what the fuck they're doing.
BlackTron
Member
Sega didn't charge to play your game online they just sold internet access via an ISP. When DC launched it could go online using your own ISP, they just decided to sell their own after a year or so. It was just dial up it would work on your PC.
But I'm sure we will dig up something like Satellaview to try and draw some parallels to Xbox next.
clarky
Gold Member
"SegaNet was a short lived online service operated by Sega, geared for dial-up based online gaming on their Dreamcast game console. A replacement for Sega's original, PC-only online gaming service, Heat.net, it was initially quite popular when launched on September 10, 2000. Unlike a standard ISP, game servers would be connected directly into SegaNet's internal network, providing very low connection latency between the consoles and servers along with standard internet access"
Sounds alot like Xbox live to me but I'm not into the tech side of things much so maybe im wrong?
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JaxarGT
Member
"Healthy competition". Lol fuck off.
This. MS are a grubby company and can fuck right off.
Drell
Member
Sorry bro, gaf is now international. If the US fails, there's lot of us who won't care one bit. Beside, we don't want PS as the only player, we want fair competition. A trillion dollars giant buying the biggest publishers with regulator doing nothing is definitly not fair. We want competition but just not MS.
Halo was going to be released without them, they just used their money to buy an exclusive for their Xbox, stop deforming reality with this narrative that I see too much these days. Xbox live is just the introduction of fees for online, something revolutionnary for shareholders sure... And I won't even talk about gamepass, as it's already discussed well enough around here.
DavidGzz
Member
This is funny cause what has Sony been doing with theirs this gen? A lackluster Spiderman 2, no Days Gone 2, but we have a sweet ass Concord and an upcoming banger(Marathon
). My Pro is collecting dust an inch thick. They spawned so many bitter critters this gen(thanks, onQ123). Let's face it, even if MS didn't buy up those pubs, their franchises would be doing no better and at least they are still coming out for everything under the sun so who gives a shit?
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BlackTron
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Xbox Live doesn't offer Internet access. You still need to buy your own before even getting to the Xbox live signup page, which is just a sub for playing games online.
Seganet was just internet access. You didn't need to buy it to go online with it if you already had Internet. DC went online before they even had Seganet.
SweetTooth
Banned
Sony moneyhatted Sega out of business? Then how come MS (with their infinite cash pocket) couldn't do just that?
Cry me a river lol
dgrdsv
Member
This is everyone's approach to competition though. The only difference is the amounts of cash and other financial backing MS may leverage.
clarky
Gold Member
"In Japan, the Sega Dreamcast offered online functionality with some games requiring paid subscriptions or pay-per-use access. Other games initially offered free access with plans for subscription-based services like SegaNet."
We can go around in circles all day if you like but the facts are Sega offered paid online services with Dreamcast before Xbox did.
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Trilobit
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I got a Wii during the PS360 era, but I think I actually might have put more hours into my BiL's X360 overall. Anytime I visited I would play the 30 minute Skate 1 demo several times. I can't even describe how much I loved the controller. The reason why I never got one was because I have always been more for platformers and platform adventure games so Wii was the best for that at the time. But my BiL has always loved Xbox so I hope that it remains in one form or another. There's just no beating the sheer value of Game Pass.
That's one aspect for me, the other is that there needs to be harsh competition in this space as all three of the main companies in the gaming space are insanely prone to laziness. We as gamers need that to have a thriving hobby. Hopefully MS keeps making physical Xboxes and has better luck next gen.
That's one aspect for me, the other is that there needs to be harsh competition in this space as all three of the main companies in the gaming space are insanely prone to laziness. We as gamers need that to have a thriving hobby. Hopefully MS keeps making physical Xboxes and has better luck next gen.
RetroGamingUK
Member
So healthy
Good riddance
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Quixz
Member
Western developers are bankrupt because they produce crappy games.
Ar¢tos
Member
I think it's possible to believe that both MS is a cancer to gaming because of their buy everything approach and that Playstation is now an extremely boring brand without any innovation.This is funny cause what has Sony been doing with theirs this gen? A lackluster Spiderman 2, no Days Gone 2, but we have a sweet ass Concord and an upcoming banger(Marathon
One of the things I miss the most is the crazy Playstation (Sony) of the PS2 era.
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BlackTron
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Yeah I don't think paying a fee to play a game has ever been controversial, especially MMO online type games. Look at PC. We're just conflating things now with wishy-washy language but ok. I'm not sure where that quote came from it looks like some mashed up paraphrasing. It's leading that Sega planned to change Seganet into a game sub service but the careful way this "quote" is structured is the only evidence I can find for it.
Sega did offer free online gaming with hopes that Seganet subs would offset it, but that was just the whole plan...to offset it with Internet subs. In other words Sega wanted to be an alternative ISP, that you might cancel your ISP and switch to Sega because "direct servers" or Sonic was on the ad or whatever. Charging a sub fee to play a specific game isn't "charging for online" it's charging for a game, like World of Warcraft. We have that on Windows but we don't have Windows Live gating all online multiplayer in all your owned games behind a fee as policy, that's the Xbox console innovation the literal paywall.
Hudo
Member
Two-edged sword. For example, all the content I am interested in is fragmented across different streaming services who all want me to pay money. Result: I am watching this shit without paying anyone. On the other hand, if you had just one streaming service, they'd totally fuck consumers in the ass as well.
Shockwave_Fox
Member
Xbox was awesome for the first half of the 360 gen - Peter Moore oversaw it until 2007 I believe. After he left it seems that Microsoft suits took over....and its all gone to shit since then.
I think Xbox as a console is actually really good - it runs all third party games really well, is solidly built and good to use.
Its just Microsoft are such a shitty, scummy dogshit company they ruined it with all their bullshit.
After the ABK acquisition and all the shite thats come out of Spencers mouth I can only see and think of Xbox as Microsoft now and its a real turn off.
Microsoft execs have no idea how to build good games in my opinion nor how to present, market and sell Xbox.
Gamepass would have worked much better without the whole first party promise as well.
I think Xbox as a console is actually really good - it runs all third party games really well, is solidly built and good to use.
Its just Microsoft are such a shitty, scummy dogshit company they ruined it with all their bullshit.
After the ABK acquisition and all the shite thats come out of Spencers mouth I can only see and think of Xbox as Microsoft now and its a real turn off.
Microsoft execs have no idea how to build good games in my opinion nor how to present, market and sell Xbox.
Gamepass would have worked much better without the whole first party promise as well.
reinking
Gold Member
Dude, that was a convenient example. You're telling me you have not seen the Colt Eastwoods, Ryan McCaffreys, Jez Cordens, etc of the internet? I will leave out the unhinged fans but we know who they are. Please. Xbox not only embraces the influencers but provide them with messaging and compensation. You will notice I said influencers and not fans. You trying to make this post about all about all Xbox fans is ridiculous. I am a fan of Xbox. To answer your question though, yes, it pushed me away a bit. Enough to not buy their products? No. I still buy them. I just do not like that kind of marketing.
DaleinCalgary
Member
The more MS shuts down Xbox operations the higher my MS stock goes.
Physiognomonics
Member
because they destroy the magic of videogames
U n i o n 0015
Member
Xbox was a great competitor on the scene. They were quite innovative back in the day, and really knocked it out of the park with the 360.
But it been a solid 12+ years of braindead decisions, yet leadership has been allowed to remain. They're basically a publishing brand now, their hardware is largely irrelevant. They're basically reverting back to their 90s publishing strategy, but instead of "Microsoft" doing the publishing, it's "Xbox."
It's both amusing, and really sad, to see something that was once really promising slowly recede from innovation.
But it been a solid 12+ years of braindead decisions, yet leadership has been allowed to remain. They're basically a publishing brand now, their hardware is largely irrelevant. They're basically reverting back to their 90s publishing strategy, but instead of "Microsoft" doing the publishing, it's "Xbox."
It's both amusing, and really sad, to see something that was once really promising slowly recede from innovation.
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Last Hearth
Member
Because what makes competition great is that it ensures poor products and services fail.
SeanyQuest
Neo Member
it's simple and it's Sony fans….a bunch of fossils who can't stop sticking JRPGs and other bad final fantasy games up their ass.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Its almost like one console is vastly more popular than the other so it naturally has more fans.
BlackTron
Member
Wow this is the first time I ever actually learned the cause of RROD, cracking of the solder under repeated thermal cycling due to switching to lead-free solder. That's why a towel helped sometimes, the high heat would re-melt the paste as a temp fix, though replacing the paste would be a perm fix.
The kicker is that the reason they switched to lead-free solder was to meet European regulations, it wasn't their normal solder, and that issue cost them 1.15bn to save the Xbox brand for future success! So it can end up a publishing label for Playstation! Poetic
The kicker is that the reason they switched to lead-free solder was to meet European regulations, it wasn't their normal solder, and that issue cost them 1.15bn to save the Xbox brand for future success! So it can end up a publishing label for Playstation! Poetic
SJRB
Gold Member
Microsoft: "Fuck everyone, fuck gamers, fuck consumers. We're in it for the money. DRM, always online, the whole thing. They'll buy our product anyway"
Also Microsoft, a few years later: "Hey wait a minute, people are actually not buying our products. We'll buy every publisher under the sun to bruteforce people to use our products, fuck em"
Also Microsoft, a few more years later: "Wow making games is hard, we spent hundreds of billions on publishers but all their output is terrible. No one is buying our games or our products."
Also Microsoft, just a few more years later: "You know, maybe we should release on Playstation. Also, we've always loved gamers. We're in it out of passion and not to make money. We are a very cool bunch. Also everything is an Xbox now lulz so we still won!"
Microsoft is a megacorp blob with zero soul or passion. They're in it to make money, wipe their asses with entire studios' legacies and would sell their grandma if it made them a few bucks. They never make anything original, all they do is copy and assimilate.
Also Microsoft, a few years later: "Hey wait a minute, people are actually not buying our products. We'll buy every publisher under the sun to bruteforce people to use our products, fuck em"
Also Microsoft, a few more years later: "Wow making games is hard, we spent hundreds of billions on publishers but all their output is terrible. No one is buying our games or our products."
Also Microsoft, just a few more years later: "You know, maybe we should release on Playstation. Also, we've always loved gamers. We're in it out of passion and not to make money. We are a very cool bunch. Also everything is an Xbox now lulz so we still won!"
Microsoft is a megacorp blob with zero soul or passion. They're in it to make money, wipe their asses with entire studios' legacies and would sell their grandma if it made them a few bucks. They never make anything original, all they do is copy and assimilate.
PurePlatinum
Member
All companies exist solely to make money, but Microsoft really just seems to take that to the extreme.
They produce really second rate, boring products that have no life in them. Avowed I'm pretty sure was 100% generated by an AI meant to produce generic slop. They also have a tendency to make the output of any studio they buy demonstrably worse, see the new doom, which sucks, as an example.
They produce really second rate, boring products that have no life in them. Avowed I'm pretty sure was 100% generated by an AI meant to produce generic slop. They also have a tendency to make the output of any studio they buy demonstrably worse, see the new doom, which sucks, as an example.
PurePlatinum
Member
I can't think of a market they do well in where they don't have like a 90% monopoly due to the nature of windows. Generally when they have to compete they don't do very well.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Because for some people, competition is good as long as PlayStation is trouncing it.
Klayzer
Member
This. Just check their competing products in those markets. It's a literal graveyard of failures.
Xbox ironically, has probably been the most successful of those products.