Why Did The PS3 Fail?
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Haunted
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Absolutely. Even though the PS3 is tracking below GC levels right now, I have no doubt that - at the end of the day when its successor rolls out (in 4 or 5 years) - the PS3 will have a good library of quality games. Most will be 1st party efforts, with the occasional 3rd party gem among them.B-Ri said:
I predict 25 million consoles sold worldwide when all is said and done. Totally respectable.
Beer Monkey
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Haunted One said:
I see what you did there
you are correct
Tobor said:
It's funny you say that because I bought a PS3 this year specifically for those three games plus Ratchet. And you're entitled to your opinion but to say that the PS3 has a poor line-up this year and next like it's gospel is just ignorant man. Speak for yourself and only yourself.
WickedLaharl
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Tobor said:
yeah but saying it is poor the way you did made it sound as if didn't have anything worth a shit playing coming out on the system. games like warhawk and uncharted, plus multiplat games could move someone to pickup a ps3.
if i didn't already own a ps3, i would pick one up for uncharted. the videos look awesome.
edit: i'm not saying that these games are going to be huge system sellers, just that could sway someones console purchasing decision.
Pai Pai Master
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Leezard said:
I despise simply listing titles, but since you asked, the PS3's high-profile console-exclusive releases before the end of the year consist of, but aren't limited to, Heavenly Sword, The Eye of Judgement, Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction, FolkLore, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, Unreal Tournament 3, Haze, Hot Shots Golf 5, Uncharted and, if you personally consider it of any importance, Home.
Some of those games could turn out to be huge, some of them could turn out to be complete flops. However, an alarming number of people seem to be under the impression that not a single publisher is releasing a single game for the PS3 this year, and those are games that you'll see on shelves this year, barring a couple of possible delays.
Yeah, I did it.
Beer Monkey
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Ikael said:
No. It is tracking a bit ahead, and was at twice the price of what most people bought Xboxes at.
Oblivion said:
I know you accidently swapped the systems, but by catching up, you mean the gap between Wii installed base and PS3 installed base is still widening, right?
Leezard said:
(Timed) Exclusives only:
Heavenly Sword
Warhawk
Hot Shots Golf 5
Folklore
Eye of Judgement
Ratchet and Clank Future
Singstar
Uncharted
Unreal Tournament III
PSN properties (i.e. Everyday Shooter, Echochrome)
That's a really good line-up with plenty of new/resurrected IPs. Will it sell to the public? Even I have my reservations. The problem with the PS3 is unfortunately its best asset: the new IPs I just mentioned. It lacks a really, really strong anchor this season and despite how awesome some of these games are or might end up being, the average consumer does have a hard time gambling with that line-up at the console's current price. It's unfortunate, but most likely true. Still, you can't make the claim that "nothing" is coming to the PS3 or that it lacks software.
BenjaminBirdie
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Pai Pai Master said:
Oh, link, please.
No one has ever harbored that impression.
Pai Pai Master
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The PS3 could use a system-seller to the masses, but I think it'd be more useful at this point to have a title which people would actually consider a "game," since a lot of people have trouble doing so with all its releases so far.
Beer Monkey
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B-Ri said:
Heard that bitches? Four player online co-op confirmed!
Sho_Nuff82
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Mariah Carey said:
Every time this guy posts, I think "This can't really be Mariah Carey...can it?", and then something like this drops. :lol
I think realistically, by the end of the year, we could see a breakdown like this:
Wii 16 million
360 14 million
PS3 6 million
How can that be spun into success for a first year? Given MS only slashed half as much off their most popular SKU as Sony did theirs? Given that the Wii launched after the PS3 in America and Japan? Given that not a single 3rd party game has sold anywhere near 1 million copies? As of right now they're in distant second in the territory where they had the largest marketshare last generation (Japan), and in 3rd place being outsold by #1 and #2 in both NA and PAL. Every franchise that they once enjoyed timed exclusivity or lead SKU status on in the West (Winning Eleven, Medal of Honor, Silent Hill, Colin McRae, DMC, Dynasty Warriors, GTA, Smackdown vs Raw, THPS, Madden, SSX, Tiger Woods, NCAA, LIVE, Tomb Raider, etc) is gone except for Burnout, and all of them are selling better (or will sell better in the coming months) on competing consoles.
As I said before, I don't think it's fair to call the PS3's entire lifetime a failure, since it will sell well into the range of consoles that people have enjoyed tremendously, but I can't see how anyone could say the first year has gone off without a hitch and that Sony is exactly where they want to be.
BenjaminBirdie
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Belfast said:
This is the real problem. They're coming out with exclusive games with TREMENDOUS mainstream appeal; Singstar, Eye Of Judgement, LittleBigPlanet, not to mention HOME. But the price point stands in complete and total opposition to that promise. They seem to be designing games and features for a much cheaper console. They'll still be there when the PS3 reaches a mainstream price point, but how much damage will be done by then?
BenjaminBirdie
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beermonkey@tehbias said:
Did you get that rejiggered map I sent you? It's a homage to the last twenty minutes of Punch Drunk Love!
The PS3 2008 lineup shames all others.
People are ultra quick to judge the HS/R&C/Uncharted combo this fall, adventure games and all with ironically the biggest X360 release destined for 08 being Alan Wake (though potentially Halo Wars in my eyes).
There are at least three PS3 exclusives coming next year that will strike higher than that game, those being Killzone 2, MGS4 & GT5 (the first two will hover around 4-5 million copies sold, GT5 will probably be ~10 million).
Now, we have those three games but we also have a total wild card with LittleBigPlanet. It will sell a million or two guaranteed but it could really really take off. There's nothing like it and it sells itself to people in less than 10 seconds, it will be very interesting to watch.
And besides those, we will have to see if Final Fantasy XIII makes it out, that could potentially make it five exclusive 08 PS3 games that outsell the top selling 08 X360 on their own.
Then besides those we have exclusives like WipEout PS3, White Knight, Socom 4. Those are million sellers. Then we have additional quality titles like inFamous and potentially a Insomniac game and other unannounced Sony 1st party titles (they usually announce them nine months ahead).
People are ultra quick to judge the HS/R&C/Uncharted combo this fall, adventure games and all with ironically the biggest X360 release destined for 08 being Alan Wake (though potentially Halo Wars in my eyes).
There are at least three PS3 exclusives coming next year that will strike higher than that game, those being Killzone 2, MGS4 & GT5 (the first two will hover around 4-5 million copies sold, GT5 will probably be ~10 million).
Now, we have those three games but we also have a total wild card with LittleBigPlanet. It will sell a million or two guaranteed but it could really really take off. There's nothing like it and it sells itself to people in less than 10 seconds, it will be very interesting to watch.
And besides those, we will have to see if Final Fantasy XIII makes it out, that could potentially make it five exclusive 08 PS3 games that outsell the top selling 08 X360 on their own.
Then besides those we have exclusives like WipEout PS3, White Knight, Socom 4. Those are million sellers. Then we have additional quality titles like inFamous and potentially a Insomniac game and other unannounced Sony 1st party titles (they usually announce them nine months ahead).
Tobor said:
Right. The price, as much as it may hurt Sony to do so initially, NEEDS to come down. I personally think it's worthy of owning at it's current price, but that's me. I think something Sony really needs to work on and hammer home (read: they won't) is PSP remote play. I'm going by the Futatsugi interview a couple days ago, but I think he's right that around the world, and especially in Japan, gamers' focus is gravitating towards the portable. With reliable support of Remote Play and the right marketing, it could be a huge selling point. It may be a little late for that, though, considering the PSP revision added no extra buttons. Control compatability might be too much of an issue for most of the games coming out this season.
Beer Monkey
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Oblivion said:
So if Willy and Peter are running against each other at the track meet, and Willy is a two laps ahead of Peter after five laps, and is three laps ahead of Peter after ten laps, does that mean Peter is 'catching up'?
You start catching up after you finally start running faster. Until then, you are just falling behind less.
B-Ri said:
You said better in every way. Dicktease.
BenjaminBirdie
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The Sphinx said:
Hey, on a cheaper console, that could totally catch on with the CCG crowd, easily. At 500 samoleans? Not so much.
Sho_Nuff82
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Wollan said:
Fixed.
MS and Nintendo really haven't shown much of their hands for 2008, and really, it's because they don't have to at this point.
BenjaminBirdie
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B-Ri said:
Dude, these were your exact words: