Why Did The PS3 Fail?
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Beer Monkey
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Oblivion said:
Sorry.
WickedLaharl
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B-Ri said:
from what i've played of the beta it's a great game, but it isn't THAT good (from the mp standpoint). the options given to you in h3 will blow it away.
All Sony ever had to do was come in at $399.99. It probably still wouldn't have won - Nintendo's "wool-over-the-eyes" marketing campaign and the consumers general jadedness toward anything legitimately game-y would have made sure of that - but it would have been a handy "PSP-esque" second place which would have sold 50,000,000+ by the end of its lifetime, imo.
It really was as simple as that. It came down to their decision to keep Blu-Ray in. If they would have just not been so stubborn there, they could have hit any reasonable target price. Shame.
It really was as simple as that. It came down to their decision to keep Blu-Ray in. If they would have just not been so stubborn there, they could have hit any reasonable target price. Shame.
Pai Pai Master
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Wollan said:
Those numbers are...slightly...ridiculously...high.
Even if sales were on the mend from here on out, which they're not, Sony would be likely to have more than doubled their install base in less than a year before GT5 is released, assuming not every single human being who owns a PS3 would buy GT5.
Gran Turismo titles typically sell in massive numbers which eclipse most other titles, but unless Sony's moved at least 15,000,000 units by Fall 2008, which is possible but unlikely at this point, GT5 sales will probably cap out around 7-8,000,000.
Damn, you said it before I could.Sho_Nuff82 said:
Sony's 2008 lineup looks strongest at this point, and it is certainly impressive if it all plays out as we expect it to, but the truth is we don't know much about 360's lineup in 2008 and even less about Wii's. Perhaps TGS will clear things up a bit, at least for third party offerings. Nintendo themselves have been holding game announcements and release dates very close since E306 so there's no way of telling exactly what they have planned past Wii Fit and MKWii in Winter/Spring.
Eh, everything was looking to work out for them on the format side until someone decided to throw a monkey wrench into the works.Tobor said:
BTW, I just spotted a brand new HD-DVD player on sale for 250$.
I understand people not wanting to call the race so early, or to say The PS3 has failed, but people need to be realistic here, and take a long hard look at the PS3's dire-ass situation before saying anything other then massive failure.
Agreed - at this time, there's no point for both MS and Ninty in announcing big games for next year that might consequently weaken their lineup for the holidays.The Sphinx said:
Compared to Sony that has to show that it has something for 2008 since its lineup for the holidays will be slaughtered by both Wii and 360.
Look, I agree with you that the PS3 has a slate of great games for 08, but your basing your sales numbers on faulty assumptions.Wollan said:
The PS3 is selling well below the PS2 and therefore it's key franchises will not be equal to last gen's sales trends. There may only be 10 million PS3s by the time GT5 drops, and I don't see it garnering a 100% adoption rate.
RiskyChris
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Wollan said:
Listen, Wollan, I know you have a line to parrot, but we don't know shit about what's coming out in 2008 for MS or Nintendo.
BenjaminBirdie
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The Sphinx said:
Plus Halo will have some positive impact on the userbase so you figure the gap between the two will probably increase to the point where MS won't need an MGS4 or GT5 level juggernaut, if a dozen Alan Wake/Fable 2/Too Human/BanjoThreeie level moderate successes carry it through the year with sales to make up for the billions of copies those games are going to sell (along with hardware) worldwide.
Also, Rare and Bungie have to be working on SOMETHING. And who knows what the next BioShock or Crackdown might be. As has been said MS doesn't need to show their cards yet.
AdmiralViscen
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RiskyChris said:
Alan Wake and Mario Kart Wii. Nothing else.
I know we don't know much about MS or Nintendo's '08 lineup yet, but I think Wollan's right; it's going to be hard to top that lineup (except for the PC, that is, as it's getting Spore and consequently trumps all lineups, but that's another issue entirely). What could Nintendo, or Microsoft, possibly announce that would be bigger than all the games Wollan mentioned?
For all those people talkin about how PS3 is tracking vs PS2, how long was PS2 supply constrained? Not sure how much of a factor this is but I thought PS2's were hard to find until this summer during it's first year. So PS3 is tracking ahead for now but that doesn't seem indicative of the strength of the platform.
Exactly, after the end of 2007, MS and Ninty will stop all development and publishing - X360 and Wii sales will go down to zero or sometimes even negative numbers.AdmiralViscen said:
During this time, PS3's massive stockpiling will prove to be the best decision Sony made since PS3 will sell fuckloads - effectively passing all the competitions within several months due to the massive stockpile of PS3s.
Third parties, dissapointed that MS and Ninty have given up the race, will then put all of their monies and triple XXX AAA teams all for PS3 development.
BenjaminBirdie
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Sharp said:
All combined? Nothing. But Gears Of War 2 will be pretty big when it's announced.
typhonsentra
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:lol I knew this thread would be big but didn't expect such rapid growth since this morning. Can anyone summarize for me?
Tell me what kind of lineup, say, Nintendo could have that would trump this lineup. Or Microsoft, for that matter, but Nintendo's easier as it tends to come out with established IPs (and Wii Blank I suppose).Tobor said:
I think it's unrealistic, but then there were some amazingly high-selling games on the N64, so I suppose it's possible.Wollan said:
Dragona Akehi
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Thread bookmarked.
BenjaminBirdie
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Sharp said:
Like I said, if the 360 has double the userbase and twice as many games with half the appeal as those, things will just even out and the PS3 will never be able to close the gap.
I call it Algebro, because it makes you say, "Bro! What???"
Dragona Akehi
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Belfast said:
You're better than that Belfast. The PSX was neck and neck with Saturn at the time -- a time, you'll remember, where everyone and their mother was expecting erroneously that the N64 would stomp them.
The situation today is far different: the Wii is utterly smashing the competition into the ground (which is good or bad depending what camp you're in, which is sadder than the situation), and the software on PS3 simply isn't selling. It's going to be how OoT came out for the N64 and most people bought a used console and the game, selling back both after beating it.
typhonsentra said:
You really can't guess what happened? Junior meltdowns (not from me... really!), Wiifit salespocalypse predictions, 360/PS3 list wars, some attempts at unbiased rationality tempered with the "there, there, it's okay PS3, you'll still have a few games even though you are in third" patronizing garbage while snickering in the background at how far the giant has fallen. Occasional PS3 optimism, a few INSANELY optimistic by the brave and the bold. Those are followed by lots of existing market data used to deflate hopeful future projections. A few tidbits here and there, but super interesting for the most part if you are already accustomed to sales-age threads.
BenjaminBirdie
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Sharp said:
Well, so is its '07 one (Wipeout HD, Uncharted, UTIII, GT5P) but that's not really what we're talking about, is it?
RiskyChris
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Pharmacy said:
Irony for $1000, Trebek.
But the structure of the question is tilted toward Sony. You're asking for MS and Nintendo games to match up against a PS3 lineup that includes a number of really huge third-party offerings. So I can name a couple of Nintendo titles that might match up sales-wise with a couple things on Sony's list (Wii Fit, MKWii, Animal Crossing), but matching up with FFXIII and MGS4 requires third party offerings on Wii and I'm much less comfortable speculating there. Not because I don't think Wii will have third-party games in 2008 but because I don't know what they could be in reality. I mean, if Konami announced Castlevania, Capcom announced a new Street Fighter and Mega Man, S-E announced KHIII for 2008 and DQX for 2009... Do you see why this is ridiculous? I have no way of predicting any of that could happen, but I likewise know these companies are working on SOMEthing for the Wii and defining what precisely is impossible.Sharp said: