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[DCharlie]

Lead platform for most 3rd party games in the future

it is?

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

PS3 didn't fail yet.

PS3's got a bright fuckin future:
LA Noire and the other exclusive Rockstar title
Lead platform for most 3rd party games in the future
Blu-ray's dominating

People don't understand what failure means. Failure = Gizmondo, N-Gage, Virtual Boy.

Define most.

 

[StevieP]

PS3 didn't fail yet.
Lead platform for most 3rd party games in the future

Wait, what?

 

[Maztorre]

People don't understand what failure means. Failure = Gizmondo, N-Gage, Virtual Boy.

I'm pretty sure failure means not living up to either your own benchmarks or the expectations of pretty much every analyst in the industry.

 

[Scottlarock]

PS3 didn't fail yet.

PS3's got a bright fuckin future:
LA Noire and the other exclusive Rockstar title
Lead platform for most 3rd party games in the future
Blu-ray's dominating

hey, okay, ya O'RLY

 

[user friendly]

Little early for this nonsense. It's hardware sales are pretty damn good considering the amount of games worth buying.

Wait until the games start rolling out and an actual price drop, if the sales don't increase due to those 2 very key factors, then this thread could be justified.

 

[Tobor]

I think Barnolde mailed his sanity back to MS with his last 360.

 

[inner-G]

I think a lot of people want to call the console war 'over' before it gets started.

Mainstream gamers haven't begun picking up HD capable systems en masse yet, most systems have been sold to the hardcore crowd.

 

[super-heated plasma]

You better save.

 

[goomba]

PS3 didn't fail yet.

PS3's got a bright fuckin future:
LA Noire and the other exclusive Rockstar title
Lead platform for most 3rd party games in the future
Blu-ray's dominating

People don't understand what failure means. Failure = Gizmondo, N-Gage, Virtual Boy.

QFT just wait till Spaceworld!

 

[Arde5643]

I think a lot of people want to call the console war 'over' before it gets started.

Mainstream gamers haven't begun picking up HD capable systems en masse yet, most systems have been sold to the hardcore crowd.

What will ensure mainstream gamers to pick up HD capable systems? Price? Mainstream games?

Price certainly didn't help Gamecube and mainstream games seem to be moving rapidly towards Wii besides the big sports games and Guitar Hero series.

 

[Flesh Into Gear]

Fortunatesons Bioshock review.

Where can i read that review? I need something to brighten my day up.

 

[inner-G]

You're right - hardcore owners lurrvvess Boogie and Carnival games, that's the only reason those games sell well.

Because hardcore owners buy said games - same thing with the Guitar Hero series.
Only hardcore owners will be buying them.

I said that only hardcore fans were buying HD CAPABLE systems.

What will ensure mainstream gamers to pick up HD capable systems? Price? Mainstream games?

Price certainly didn't help Gamecube and mainstream games seem to be moving rapidly towards Wii besides the big sports games and Guitar Hero series.

Mainstream adoption of HD consoles will probably be a culmination of multiple factors:

HDTV adoption
Price
More Games

Once HDTV penetration gets higher, people will have greater awareness of it, and the perception of the consoles could quickly shift. Marketing and product positioning could have the greatest effects in this sense.

360 and PS3 both should work more on customer awareness of their system's features, get the customer to percieve more value in the system than just for gaming. (in b4 'its a GAMING machine')

 

[Deku]

I think, more than anything, the movable "wait till..." goal posts, and reliance on single game white knight 'saviors' provides the most damning evidence that the PS3 is not the console even its most ardent supporters want or believe it to be.

The rest is just colorful spin.

 

[johnsmith]

I'm going to quote someone from another forum.

This cut-and-run defeatism is disrespectful to Sony's hardworking engineers. The industry needs to stay the course!

Sony's supply surge needs to be given time to succeed before anyone can pass judgment. Don't let the obstructionist congress of third-party developers backstab Chief Operating Officer Kaz. It is still more than possible to achieve a reasonable outcome such as equal market partition.

Look at all the progress Sony is making on the supply side of things. While Nintendo's manufacturing is strained and overwhelmed, and Microsoft's failure rate is unprecedented, Sony's world-class hardware engineers are working overtime for great results. For example, since launch, the difficulty of obtaining a PS3 has steadily declined. There has also been notable success containing the competition in locations such as New Zealand. Although other measurements may not show as much success, these are still very important benchmarks that give reason for optimism.

In fact you could even say that the trends are such that, given persistent effort over the long haul, Sony is almost guaranteed to succeed -- provided the developers don't cut their PS3 game budgets, dooming a winnable console war to failure. (Just like they backstabbed the Betamax even though, with its technological prowess, it was going to succeed.)

True, supply does not on its own win a console war -- consumer reconciliation is also required. But the supply-side successes provide valuable breathing room to consumers for them to change their minds about the PS3. And after initial PR failures, Sony has learned their lesson -- the role of General PR Officer has been given to Dave Karraker, a highly competent public relations professional who rose up the ranks by his own merits, and in fact wrote the book on countering bad press. Before deciding whether the surge has worked or not, we should wait until the next GDC where he will give a keynote to developers. It would be disrespectful to him and intellectually dishonest not to give his opinions a hearing.

Giving up on the PS3 now means a vicious rout to the PS3's competitors, depriving millions of innocent people from impressive HD graphics and creating a threat even to Sony's headquarters. Would you have all of the engineers' sacrifices be in vain?

 

[Arde5643]

I think, more than anything, the movable "wait till..." goal posts, and reliance on single game white knight 'saviors' provides the most damning evidence that the PS3 is not the console even its most ardent supporters want or believe it to be.

The rest is just colorful spin.

/stupid debate so far in the thread

Congrats to Deku on ending it.

 

[PkunkFury]

I'm going to quote someone from another forum.

...

:lol

I hope this is sarcasm, I can't tell when it's not from GAF

 

[DCharlie]

There has also been notable success containing the competition in locations such as New Zealand. Although other measurements may not show as much success, these are still very important benchmarks that give reason for optimism.

Vital NZ territory captured!

For example, since launch, the difficulty of obtaining a PS3 has steadily declined.

... and this is due to engineering and not, say, falling demand?

 

[Arde5643]

:lol

I hope this is sarcasm, I can't tell when it's not from GAF

Sarcasm doesn't translate well into the internet.

Still, that's seriously glorious stuff written there.
I wonder if any of the deluded will actually try to agree with what's said there?
Or perhaps one of the fanboys from other system will try to disagree with what's said there?

 

[Darkman M]

???

 

[Haunted]

Vital NZ territory captured!



... and this is due to engineering and not, say, falling demand?

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure that post was sarcastic.

 

[Evlar]

I believe the cool-headed, clear-eyed, sensible and patriotic quote from johnsmith's last post was authored by General David Patreaus and no one else. He delivered this stirring assessment of the PS3's progress in the console wars this afternoon shortly after testifying before Congress.

 

[DCharlie]

Sony's world-class hardware engineers are working overtime for great results. For example, since launch, the difficulty of obtaining a PS3 has steadily declined.

... was the quote that caught my eye.

 

[Tobor]

Where can i read that review? I need something to brighten my day up.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7765047&postcount=6688

Enjoy. I'm sure 1up will be beating down his door for a freelance review job.

 

[Haunted]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7765047&postcount=6688

Enjoy. I'm sure 1up will be beating down his door for a freelance review job.

:lol :lol

I'm staying clear of the Bioshock thread in fear of spoilers, but that 'review' was fucking hilarious.

 

[Barnolde]

it is?

Why wouldn't it be? Unless the title is going to be 360/PC only. As the current situation shows porting from 360 -> PS3 is a clusterfuck, so if they need a title for both, why not start on PS3 where it's easier to port over?

 

[Tobor]

Why wouldn't it be? Unless the title is going to be 360/PC only. As the current situation shows porting from 360 -> PS3 is a clusterfuck, so if they need a title for both, why not start on PS3 where it's easier to port over?

This is the part they are going to start to question after the holidays.

 

[DeadyFernGarden]

Riddle me this Sony fans

PS3 is Selling good for the amount of software it has. Therefore Wii has a better software library?

But no Wii has crap software doesn't it?

 

[Wollan]

There's a lot of effort put in that review. A game was bought and played to support it.

 

[Barnolde]

This is the part they are going to start to question after the holidays.

PS3 to start selling worse confirmed?

 

[Master Z]

I think, more than anything, the movable "wait till..." goal posts, and reliance on single game white knight 'saviors' provides the most damning evidence that the PS3 is not the console even its most ardent supporters want or believe it to be.

The rest is just colorful spin.

I can only speak for myself but all I ever wanted from the PS3 is a kickass game/HD media machine and that's what I got. There are some pie in the sky predictions and hopes in this thread but I don't think it's wrong or inaccurate to believe that the PS3 has a bright future.

 

[Tobor]

There's a lot of effort put in that review. A game was bought and played to support it.

I hadn't thought of that. I hope he at least rented it.

 

[inner-G]

Riddle me this Sony fans

PS3 is Selling good for the amount of software it has. Therefore Wii has a better software library?

But no Wii has crap software doesn't it?

Wii is affordable and has a giant marketing hype train pushing it forward.
Cheap(er) to develop for to boot.

People buying a Wii aren't looking for the next Xenogears by any means, Boogie will do.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

The PS3 is:

Fantastic
Unbelievable
Cool
Killer
Entertaining
Daring

What more do I need to say?

 

[DeadyFernGarden]

The PS3 is:

Fantastic
Unbelievable
Cool
Killer
Entertaining
Daring

What more do I need to say?

Incredible
New
Terrific
Hot
Extreme
AAA
Super
Stunning

 

[Tobor]

The PS3 is:

Fantastic
Unbelievable
Cool
Killer
Entertaining
Daring

What more do I need to say?

Fun universally, Cell kicks entertainments derriere!

 

[rs7k]

PS3 to start selling worse confirmed?

No. If the PS3 sales stay the same, expect quiet cancellations.

 

[Tobor]

No. If the PS3 sales stay the same, expect quiet cancellations.

That's what I was hinting at.

 

[PkunkFury]

The PS3 is:

Fantastic
Unbelievable
Cool
Killer
Entertaining
Daring

What more do I need to say?

Automatically Awesome

 

[Barnolde]

That's what I was hinting at.

They're not going to stay the same. Not when the price is dropping (the "$500 drop" helped a lot), not when more games are coming out. 2008. Believe.

 

[Tobor]

They're not going to stay the same. Not when the price is dropping (the "$500 drop" helped a lot), not when more games are coming out. 2008. Believe.

159K a month is not going to get the job done, and it's more than likely going to be lower this month.

 

[Wollan]

159K a month is not going to get the job done, and it's more than likely going to be lower this month.

From what I read in another thread, the PS3 was leading with 45k sales this past month when you compared NA+Japan for both consoles. If they included overall Europe I think it would be a even greater divide. They're pretty neck and neck.

 

[Tobor]

From what I read in another forum, the PS3 was leading with 45k sales this past month when you compared NA+Japan for both consoles. If they included overall Europe I think it would be a even greater divide. They're pretty neck and neck.

How about just US though Wollan? You know the US where 3rd parties are expecting most of their software sales? Japanese developers are going to drop off for a different reason.

 

[Wollan]

Lets forget about Europe and Japan. With that, I'm going to bed. 30 hours now, cloud vision.

 

[Master Z]

159K a month is not going to get the job done, and it's more than likely going to be lower this month.

So you expect PS3 sales to never be above the 150k range? Is that what you really believe or am I misinterpreting something here?

 

[Tobor]

Lets forget about Europe and Japan. With that, I'm going to bed. 30 hours now, cloud vision.

I'm not forgetting about Japan. The Wii has Japan. PS3 needs to take America to have a chance.

 

[Green Shinobi]

*added PS3 sales numbers, adjusted other numbers slightly*
Since Dragona Akehi have bookmarked and is keeping track, just to have my 2008 theories on the clear:


• 8 million PS3's sold through at end of 07, 16-18million end of 08.
• PS3 will drop to $399 next April or right before the first of either KZ2, LBP, GTA4 or MGS4 drops, there will be only a single PS3 sku in EU/US.
• GT5 will sell over 10 million copies, by summer 09 (over 7 million by end of 08), assuming it releases July-August.
• Killzone 2 will sell over 4 million copies by end of 08.
• MGS4 will sell over 4.5 million copies by end of 08.
• LBP will sell at least 2 million copies but it has the absolute biggest potential to explode, total wild card.
• Final Fantasy XIII will have sold 6 million copies within six months of hitting it's last big region.
• Alan Wake will (unless Epic by a miracle finds the time to finish Gears 2 for 08) be the best selling exclusive X360 title of 08 and it will be pretty much shoulder to shoulder with Halo Wars and do 3.5 million (GTA4 will be the platforms overall best seller).
• PS3 will claim 35% of GTA4 sales next year.
• Home will have over 7 million separate accounts signed in by end of next year (that's covering from a single sign in to addict as well as multiple accounts on same console).

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

The other problem is the 360's sizeable lead. The PS3 has to do better than keep up the pace, it needs to start outselling the 360 by a very large margin to hope to catch up/pass anytime soon, and there's just no sign that it can do that when looking at the global picture.

 

[ParticleReality]

I think, more than anything, the movable "wait till..." goal posts, and reliance on single game white knight 'saviors' provides the most damning evidence that the PS3 is not the console even its most ardent supporters want or believe it to be.

The rest is just colorful spin.

Isn't 'wait until Gears of War comes out' the same damn thing that most are doing now? I find it a little unfair that its okay to call the PS3 a failure now when people who where doing it a year ago were called assholes and told they were being unfair.

I see this as nothing but good for Sony and gamers in the long run. They've become the underdog now, they need to change their game plan up to suit todays gamer. When(not if) they finally get everything up to that classic Sony standard, people will stop this bullshit and start respecting the people that have given us almost 12 years of quality gaming.

 

[Tobor]

So you expect PS3 sales to never be above the 150k range? Is that what you really believe or am I misinterpreting something here?

No, but it will be far below the 360 and Wii this holiday. And they will definitely not double the userbase as Wollan suggests. Not unless they drop the price again.