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[Green Shinobi]

When(not if) they finally get everything up to that classic Sony standard, people will stop this bullshit and start respecting the people that have given us almost 12 years of quality gaming.

I thought people still had tons of respect for Capcom, Konami, Square and Take Two around here. Did I miss something?

 

[PkunkFury]

I'm not forgetting about Japan. The Wii has Japan. PS3 needs to take America to have a chance.

someone should really make a console wars version of Risk

 

[inner-G]

No, but it will be far below the 360 and Wii this holiday. And they will definitely not double the userbase as Wollan suggests. Not unless they drop the price again.

MGS, COD, GTA, FF, and KZ2 will double the userbase. (probably not by this Xmas though)

 

[Tobor]

MGS, COD, GTA, FF, and KZ2 will double the userbase. (probably not by this Xmas though)

Doubling the userbase by next fall would be the biggest failure in gaming history. :lol

 

[davepoobond]

cool i love fiction

 

[Master Z]

No, but it will be far below the 360 and Wii this holiday. And they will definitely not double the userbase as Wollan suggests. Not unless they drop the price again.

Okay, so if the PS3 sells better than 150k a month for the holiday season do you still see publishers bailing out?

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Okay, so if the PS3 sells better than 150k a month for the holiday season do you still see publishers bailing out?

It really depends entirely on how much better.

 

[Tobor]

Okay, so if the PS3 sells better than 150k a month for the holiday season do you still see publishers bailing out?

If the 360 and Wii increase at similar levels, I think you'll start to see some cancellations next year, yeah.

 

[ParticleReality]

I thought people still had tons of respect for Capcom, Konami, Square and Take Two around here. Did I miss something?

Without the mass marketing of the Playstation and Playstation 2 into homes Nintendo didn't reach do you think we would have such awesome games from those publishers?

 

[Tobor]

Without the mass marketing of the Playstation and Playstation 2 into homes Nintendo didn't reach do you think we would have such games?

Revisionist history, fun for the whole family!

 

[BlackGoku03]

Hakomaru, 箱○　or 糞箱

Spoiler

lolz

is the real abbreviation for 360 in Japan amongst the gamers.

Shit box? Did I get that right? If so... wow.

 

[Green Shinobi]

Without the mass marketing of the Playstation and Playstation 2 into homes Nintendo didn't reach do you think we would have such games?

I'll give you that. Playstation was definitely the hip thing, and the PS2 was even more ubiquitous.

 

[DCharlie]

Why wouldn't it be? Unless the title is going to be 360/PC only. As the current situation shows porting from 360 -> PS3 is a clusterfuck, so if they need a title for both, why not start on PS3 where it's easier to port over?

Why WOULD it be?
Why would you develop for the PS3 as your lead platform, when it has the least user base?
and why would it be easier? You'd probably have similar problems, just that the X360 version and PC version would suffer - so you'd be making the worse version for your largest target audience which makes zero sense.

return on investment for the current PS3 userbase does not warrant the extra effort on that platform right now , i'd have thought.

 

[Grecco]

Without the mass marketing of the Playstation and Playstation 2 into homes Nintendo didn't reach do you think we would have such awesome games from those publishers?

lol wut?

 

[DeadyFernGarden]

I will concede the PS3 is not a failure if it reaches sales within a million of second place much like the gamecube.

 

[ParticleReality]

lol wut?

Hard time reading? Without the push of the CD as a storage device in systems I doubt you'd have your Final Fantasy's and your Metal Gears. Well, you might have them but I doubt they'd be the same as on the PS1.

 

[Green Shinobi]

I will concede the PS3 is not a failure if it reaches sales within a million of second place much like the gamecube.

It would have to start outselling the Xbox 360 pretty handily to do that.

Hard time reading? Without the push of the CD as a storage device in systems I doubt you'd have your Final Fantasy's and your Metal Gears. Well, you might have them but I doubt they'd be the same as on the PS1.

The Sega Saturn would have been the dominant console then.

 

[JCBossman]

Wollan, made alot of Daring predictions, so here is one of mine:

The 360 will not go below 250,000 a month for the next TWO YEARS(Yes Including summer)

 

[Tobor]

Hard time reading? Without the push of the CD as a storage device in systems I doubt you'd have your Final Fantasy's and your Metal Gears. Well, you might have them but I doubt they'd be the same as on the PS1.

Yeah, it was tough living without Final Fantasy and Metal Gear before Sony came around...

 

[Speevy]

It would have to start outselling the Xbox 360 pretty handily to do that.

It would probably need to outsell the 360 in Japan and Europe by a HUGE amount.

 

[DCharlie]

The 360 will not go below 250,000 a month for the next TWO YEARS(Yes Including summer)

it'll only come true if it's in a gif!

 

[J-Rzez]

If the 360 and Wii increase at similar levels, I think you'll start to see some cancellations next year, yeah.

What exactly will get canceled? The games that are already designed and designated as ports (which is a large amount, and combining the 360 and PS3 userbases, is a large number)? Or Sony's first party titles?

 

[MickeyKnox]

Seriously? 17 pages? Wow.

 

[Green Shinobi]

Seriously? 17 pages? Wow.

And your contribution to this thread is. . .

what?

 

[Speevy]

I will concede the PS3 is not a failure if it reaches sales within a million of second place much like the gamecube.

Would any reasonable person look back at the PS3 and 360 and NOT call each a failure, relative to their intended impact on the worldwide market?

 

[Green Shinobi]

Would any reasonable person look back at the PS3 and 360 and NOT call each a failure, relative to their intended impact on the worldwide market?

Did you mean to say Xbox and Gamecube?

You're telling me that a media product that sells 25 million units worldwide is a failure? Have you thought about what a huge number that is?

 

[Tobor]

What exactly will get canceled? The games that are already designed and designated as ports (which is a large amount, and combining the 360 and PS3 userbases, is a large number)? Or Sony's first party titles?

Yes, J-Rzez, clearly I was referring to Sony's first party titles. :lol

If Sony doesn't make significant userbase increases this holiday, some third party ports will disappear. Just a few at first, maybe games you don't care about anyway to start.

 

[Culex]

Wollan, made alot of Daring predictions, so here is one of mine:

The 360 will not go below 250,000 a month for the next TWO YEARS(Yes Including summer)

Does this prediction include the impending numbers on the 13th?

 

[RiskyChris]

Hard time reading? Without the push of the CD as a storage device in systems I doubt you'd have your Final Fantasy's and your Metal Gears. Well, you might have them but I doubt they'd be the same as on the PS1.

A kingdom I'd sacrifice for a Final Fantasy that matured without the unlimited space budget of a CD.

 

[BeEatNU]

iono hardware wise the 360 is a failure. I'm disappointed that its bad track record went this long but enough of that back to software. I don't see PS3 as a failure, still alot of times left especially for a 7-year span system.

 

[Green Shinobi]

Yes, J-Rzez, clearly I was referring to Sony's first party titles. :lol

If Sony doesn't make significant userbase increases this holiday, some third party ports will disappear. Just a few at first, maybe games you don't care about anyway to start.

People forget that there was a time when the Gamecube was getting a lot of third party ports, like Enclave, the Medal of Honor games and a couple of others. Those disappeared really quickly. Same with the Saturn. The Saturn got the original RE and Tomb Raider games.

 

[Speevy]

Did you mean to say Xbox and Gamecube?

You're telling me that a media product that sells 25 million units worldwide is a failure? Have you thought about what a huge number that is?

No, I don't consider the Xbox to be a failure, because it paved the way for MS' presence into the North American market through great selling software.

But seriously, if you have 3 consoles, and they sell

100 million +
25 million
21 million (?)

So let's say you have about 146 million + consoles sold.


Which console is going to bring us back up to that number?

 

[RiskyChris]

iono hardware wise the 360 is a failure. I'm disappointed that its bad track record went this long but enough of that back to software. I don't see PS3 as a failure, still alot of times left especially for a 7-year span system.

Why would the PS3 have a life as long as the PS2 (Assuming this generation lasts as long as the last 2 have)?

 

[JCBossman]

Does this prediction include the impending numbers on the 13th?

Yeah, although it going to be close so I would prefer to go with September onwards just to play it safe

 

[Speevy]

People forget that there was a time when the Gamecube was getting a lot of third party ports, like Enclave, the Medal of Honor games and a couple of others. Those disappeared really quickly. Same with the Saturn. The Saturn got the original RE and Tomb Raider games.

The PS3 is not going to lose support unless the Xbox 360 starts selling better than it has this year, every month for the rest of the generation.

 

[Tobor]

People forget that there was a time when the Gamecube was getting a lot of third party ports, like Enclave, the Medal of Honor games and a couple of others. Those disappeared really quickly. Same with the Saturn. The Saturn got the original RE and Tomb Raider games.

Bingo.

 

[BeEatNU]

Why would the PS3 have a life as long as the PS2 (Assuming this generation lasts as long as the last 2 have)?

Not too sure, Sony have stated before that they plan on PS3 to have a longer life span then the norm (5-7 years)

 

[Green Shinobi]

So let's say you have about 146 million + consoles sold.

Which console is going to bring us back up to that number?

The Wii and the DS.

A lot of PS2 users in Japan will be replaced by DS users. Not sure it'll be the same in Europe and NA, but the Wii will get a huge chunk of those gamers, and I'd hope that the 360 can increase its sales enough to get around 40 million or so at the end of its life.

 

[Tobor]

The PS3 is not going to lose support unless the Xbox 360 starts selling better than it has this year, every month for the rest of the generation.

Halo 3 is the starter gun. We'll see if MS can keep it moving.

 

[Speevy]

Why would the PS3 have a life as long as the PS2 (Assuming this generation lasts as long as the last 2 have)?

Why wouldn't it? You only abandon hardware so you can change strategy, to move onto bigger and better things, or perhaps to cut your losses.

The only way I can see Sony abandoning the PS3 hardware is to get out of the hardware race for good.

 

[Speevy]

The Wii and the DS.

A lot of PS2 users in Japan will be replaced by DS users. Not sure it'll be the same in Europe and NA, but the Wii will get a huge chunk of those gamers, and I'd hope that the 360 can increase its sales enough to get around 40 million or so at the end of its life.

The GBA sold what, 80 million units? Doesn't count.

DS doesn't count in this discussion. I'm asking whether the 360, PS3, and Wii can sell 146 million consoles.

 

[atomiswave]

so basically.....every xbot and wiiboy is going to say that this article is true...the ps3 is a failure....its all over for sony...blah blah blah..

and the ps3 fanboys are going to say how this article is bullshit and the ps3 has plenty of potential, more powerful than the other consoles, and its only an effin year old.

to tell you the truth, im too poor to buy one, so thats probably the reason im going to buy Wii/PSP for now. damn college. one day i will have the cash to buy a ps3..someday. Or I will work overtime for that Ps3..haha.

 

[Tobor]

The GBA sold what, 80 million units? Doesn't count.

DS doesn't count in this discussion. I'm asking whether the 360, PS3, and Wii can sell 146 million consoles.

I don't know if this is still true, especially in Japan. Society is changing and becoming increasingly mobile. If people aren't buying consoles and instead are buying handhelds, how does that not count?

 

[Jtrizzy]

I think I'll go get in the fetal position and cry myself to sleep since I bought a ps3.:lol

 

[Speevy]

I don't know if this is still true, especially in Japan. Society is changing and becoming increasingly mobile. If people aren't buying consoles and instead are buying handhelds, how does that not count?

Because then you've proved my point again, why does it matter what the PS3/360 are selling when they're just a speck of dirt compared to the Wii and DS?

 

[Tobor]

Because then you've proved my point again, why does it matter what the PS3/360 are selling when they're just a speck of dirt compared to the Wii and DS?

I never disagreed with that point.

 

[Green Shinobi]

I think I'll go get in the fetal position and cry myself to sleep since I bought a ps3.:lol

I bought one too. However, since it's a blu-ray player and also a PS1 and PS2, even if it ends up like the Gamecube it'll still have been worth it. Plus the Gamecube had some awesome games. I got my money's worth out of it.

Because then you've proved my point again, why does it matter what the PS3/360 are selling when they're just a speck of dirt compared to the Wii and DS?

As long as software is still viable, the sales matter. As long as a company like Capcom can reasonably expect that one of its big titles like Resident Evil 5 will sell 2 million + on the 360, the 360 will remain relevant.

 

[Jtrizzy]

all of this talk about the PS3 being done for seems silly and immature to me. I guess it's just the nature of the industry.

 

[J-Rzez]

Yes, J-Rzez, clearly I was referring to Sony's first party titles. :lol

If Sony doesn't make significant userbase increases this holiday, some third party ports will disappear. Just a few at first, maybe games you don't care about anyway to start.

You can stick to believe that, but I don't... Not since devs are releasing near mirror ports this gen... Ports aren't like last gen with PS2, GC, and Xbox games all looking distinctively different in the end... Plus, why would they ignore a larger userbase with the combined sales of PS3 and 360? When games like Fatal Inertia were pulled, it was because of the UE that was causing grief... If that's sorted out, like it should end up being, then there's no reason not to port it over to another couple million users out there... This isn't a slaughterhouse like last gen just yet, and the games still early...

 

[Snake_Doctor]

all of this talk about the PS3 being done for seems silly and immature to me. I guess it's just the nature of the industry.

I came expecting cats.
*scratches head...*
bye.