Why does GAF lean so much to the left in politics?

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Why did I even fucking bother to read this thread, i knew exactly how it would turn out as soon as I read the title.
 
Enron said:
Why did I even fucking bother to read this thread, i knew exactly how it would turn out as soon as I read the title.
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Lots of bitter people doing the old "Waaaah, GAF is so intolerant of beliefs that oppose the librul hivemind cos if you disagree with them you get banned OH IM SO OPPRESSED waaaaah QQ" routine? Yeah.

Schattenjagger said:
According to your opinion
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No, it's true and it is incredibly dishonest to pretend otherwise.
 
Oblivion said:
Which makes what those Republicans did/say perfectly okay.
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Nobody said what they did was okay ..
And regarding the Ohio voting thread, I don't get what the problem is and why it's making so many gaffers angry - but this thread shouldn't be used to discuss that thread
 
Schattenjagger said:
Both sides have trash
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Please tell me what the equivalent trash on the Democrats side is. Please point out one single Democrat who would require mandatory abortions; or, restrict voting rights. Assuming you can't find such examples, please explain the position of Democrats on abortion and voting rights that are equivalently trashy (in your opinion) to banning all abortions and restricting access to voting.

Also, note we are discussing people already holding office, not people running for office.
 
Schattenjagger said:
Nobody said what they did was okay ..
And regarding the Ohio voting thread, I don't get what the problem is and why it's making so many gaffers angry - but this thread shouldn't be used to discuss that thread
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Because it's an explanation of why GAF lean so much to the left in politics:

The elected and soon-to-be elected members of the right are batshit-insane.


Schattenjagger said:
NO i don't - but you can start with Bidens chain comment
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Which has been shown to be pretty spot on tbh.
 
It's okay that Akin said women can't get pregnant from rape because Democrats supported slavery in the 1800s.
 
Zaptruder said:
On one hand, this is the republican party, backed up into a corner, and they're growling and snarling, with fangs out. There's nothing too dirty for them at this point in time. Fear and hate is the order of the day.

On the other hand... it is them at their most utterly effective. Modern republican talking points are indefensible. Which is why they don't spend time defending them - they simply lie and attack and lie and create a false sense of reality, manipulating those all too willing to be manipulated by their fear and jingoism, creating a dead-lock in a country that so desperately needs effective governance.

It's a goddamn tragedy. We're witnessing the fall of the American democracy right in front of our goddamn eyes, and we can't do shit to stop it.
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It's not the fall of democracy. It's an example of how easily people are manipulated within a democracy.
 
max_cool said:
Please tell me what the equivalent trash on the Democrats side is. Please point out one single Democrat who would require mandatory abortions; or, restrict voting rights. Assuming you can't find such examples, please explain the position of Democrats on abortion and voting rights that are equivalently trashy (in your opinion) to banning all abortions and restricting access to voting.

Also, note we are discussing people already holding office, not people running for office.
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Chris Dodd was pretty trashy
 
Schattenjagger said:
Chris Dodd was pretty trashy
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In his role as chairman of the Senate Banking Committee Dodd proposed a program in June 2008 that would assist troubled sub-prime mortgage lenders such as Countrywide Financial in the wake of the United States housing bubble's collapse.
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Dodd was involved in issues related to the federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac during the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis.
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In February 2009, Kevin Rennie, a columnist at the Hartford Courant, ran an op-ed concerning Dodd's acquisition of his vacation home in Roundstone, Ireland.
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From the fall of 2008 through early 2009, the United States government spent nearly $170 Billion to assist failing insurance giant, AIG. AIG then spent $165 million of this money to hand out executive "retention" bonuses to its top executives. Public outrage ensued over this perceived misuse of taxpayer dollars.
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He sounds like a republican, sans the backward social policy views.
 
JHall said:
It's just a question. I'm still waiting on my check.
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You mean the check you're gonna get from insurance companies who spend to much on overhead? That check? Well, I already got mine... otherwise I have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
 
Its truly amazing the mental gymnastics people will do to try and point out that the democrats are "just as bad" as republicans. Thats not to say that a democrat won't ever say something stupid or bigoted but to even ATTEMPT to compare them to republicans requires blind faith or complete ignorance of politics.
 
Chumly said:
Its truly amazing the mental gymnastics people will do to try and point out that the democrats are "just as bad" as republicans. Thats not to say that a democrat won't ever say something stupid or bigoted but to even ATTEMPT to compare them to republicans requires blind faith or complete ignorance of politics.
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that sums up the ultra-conservative/evangelical mindset pretty well, I think.
 
I consider myself centrist, or center-right, but for the state I'm from, that is far more liberal than the rest of the nation.

Also, I don't think conservative automatically = Republican. Most true conservatives I know are independent.

It's hard to support the Republican party in this country, even if you are a conservative. It's been hijacked by lunatics, and really, there needs to be a third party that represents the Center.
 
Schattenjagger said:
I'm not familiar with Ohio politics
How is what he said racist ?
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Ohio is currently in the process of reducing voting hours for some counties which vote Democrat. His explanation for this is to not "accommodate the urban — read African-American — voter-turnout machine." I can't recall the last time a politician has been so blatantly racist.
 
Nightstick11 said:
I consider myself centrist, or center-right, but for the state I'm from, that is far more liberal than the rest of the nation.

Also, I don't think conservative automatically = Republican. Most true conservatives I know are independent.

It's hard to support the Republican party in this country, even if you are a conservative. It's been hijacked by lunatics, and really, there needs to be a third party that represents the Center.
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There is no point in a third party in this country. The third party will merely just get courted by the other two and cease to exist.
 
Delusibeta said:
Ohio is currently in the process of reducing voting hours for some counties which vote Democrat. His explanation for this is to not "accommodate the urban — read African-American — voter-turnout machine." I can't recall the last time a politician has been so blatantly racist.
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What is their justification for reducing the voting hours ?
 
Enron said:
There is no point in a third party in this country. The third party will merely just get courted by the other two and cease to exist.
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See also the Liberal Democrat party in the UK, who joined the Conservative party in coalition and is more than likely going to suffer complete and utter electoral annihilation in the next general election.

Schattenjagger said:
What is their justification for reducing the voting hours ?
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Read my post and try again.
 
^ The Lib Dems have fucked themselves over for decades to come due to their conduct in this government.

Nightstick11 said:
I consider myself centrist, or center-right, but for the state I'm from, that is far more liberal than the rest of the nation.

Also, I don't think conservative automatically = Republican. Most true conservatives I know are independent.

It's hard to support the Republican party in this country, even if you are a conservative. It's been hijacked by lunatics, and really, there needs to be a third party that represents the Center.
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The Democrats. Or at least they would if the centre hadn't been railroaded over to the far right by the bizarre Christian Taliban/Randroid hybid that passes for the GOP these days.

As it is, America doesn't have a viable party for anything left-of-centre.
 
Delusibeta said:
See also the Liberal Democrat party in the UK, who joined the Conservative party in coalition and is more than likely going to suffer complete and utter electoral annihilation in the next general election.



Read my post and try again.
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It's faced annihilation before, and it was once (as the Liberal Party) the dominant political force in the UK. It's not going to disappear altogether and even a cursory glance at the history of parliamentary systems would show that to be a very unlikely outcome.

The fact is, with no viable third party and an electorate in the hundreds of millions, the US is unusual even for a FPTP system.

I'd also point out it took a third party to break the logjam that formed over slavery. It's not healthy to not have no viable means to introduce new blood into your government.
 
Opiate said:
As new information has arrived and it has become increasingly clear that there is a significant genetic component, those views become increasingly untennable. And indeed, homosexuality is no longer classified as a disorder by psychiatric institutions for precisely these reasons.
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This actually isn't true at all. Studies showing that, when you evaluated homosexual people and compared them to heterosexual people without knowing their actual orientation, there wasn't anything to distinguish them otherwise were far more important to its removal from the DSM. Basically, psychologists began to realize the only homosexuals they were talking to before where the ones who had already came to them for unrelated issues, so the idea that homosexuality was a pathology was largely reinforced through selection bias.

There's an episode of This American Life that goes over the story of its removal from the DSM, and it's one of my favorites.

Besides, the issue of it being a choice is mostly important for assigning the status of sin to it. If God made people homosexual then punishing them for it would be unjust.
 
Delusibeta said:
See also the Liberal Democrat party in the UK, who joined the Conservative party in coalition and is more than likely going to suffer complete and utter electoral annihilation in the next general election.



Read my post and try again.
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Yes but what is the "official" reason for shortening voting hours ?
 
maharg said:
It's faced annihilation before, and it was once (as the Liberal Party) the dominant political force in the UK. It's not going to disappear altogether and even a cursory glance at the history of parliamentary systems would show that to be a very unlikely outcome.

The fact is, with no viable third party and an electorate in the hundreds of millions, the US is unusual even for a FPTP system.

I'd also point out it took a third party to break the logjam that formed over slavery. It's not healthy to not have no viable means to introduce new blood into your government.
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I would predict that the Lib Dems are going to face a similar situation on a national scale that the Conservatives are currently in with regards to the Scottish Parliament: having only a handful of MPs get elected (I'll predict less than 10) and shortly afterwards consider a re-branding exercise.
 
Hitokage said:
Besides, the issue of it being a choice is mostly important for assigning the status of sin to it. If God made people homosexual then punishing them for it would be unjust.
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And as a convenient means for social conservatives to railroad any discussion of the subject into pseudoscience-land. The debate over 'choice' itself has been one of the greatest tools in continuing the status quo against gays.


Delusibeta said:
I would predict that the Lib Dems are going to face a similar situation on a national scale that the Conservatives are currently in with regards to the Scottish Parliament: having only a handful of MPs get elected (I'll predict less than 10) and shortly afterwards consider a re-branding exercise.
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Which is a thing that can happen in parliamentary systems that is quite healthy, but can't happen at all in the American system. People need to recognize that the two-party system currently in place in the US is a constructed oligarchy, not a natural feature of FPTP. Yes, FPTP tends towards binary polar choices, but it does not lead naturally to there being only two permanently entrenched parties. The dominance of the Republicans and the Democrats in the US has been a feature of legal barriers to entry (built by bipartisanship control over the apparatus of election) for third parties since the early 20th century.
 
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