Pretty much. If the cost is the same then why not add it, then even with scorpio coming next year the platform will still have a lot to offer even when it releases. Then they probably can drop their new generation in about 3 years time.
Why does it seem like Sony is rushing to release PS4 Pro
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Pretty much. If the cost is the same then why not add it, then even with scorpio coming next year the platform will still have a lot to offer even when it releases. Then they probably can drop their new generation in about 3 years time.
Chuck Norris
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They have a year lead on Scorpio
Sony could easily prep another iteration a year after Scorpio is out, giving the current PS4 Pro 24 months on the market. At that point PS4 Pro replaces the standard and a newer model becomes the high end
Sony could easily prep another iteration a year after Scorpio is out, giving the current PS4 Pro 24 months on the market. At that point PS4 Pro replaces the standard and a newer model becomes the high end
SinCityAssassin
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It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.
As in Christmas is the answer.
As in Christmas is the answer.
Caddyshack
Banned
Does it?
yongeandcollege
Member
Seems like a good business decision with limited downside. Not seeing the rushed characterization at all.
I didn't feel like it was rushed. I watched the presser and I feel like the messaging was clear - whether you get a pro or not or whether you have a 4K or not. The post show really hammered on this. This is the first time this type of upgrade is being done and I think they did a good job.
If there is any issue I have with the presser was that the price of the PS4 is $299 with no bundled game. Either bundle a game with it or sell it for $249.
If there is any issue I have with the presser was that the price of the PS4 is $299 with no bundled game. Either bundle a game with it or sell it for $249.
I think this is the truth. While I won't say Sony doesn't care what MS does, the Scorpio is less a factor than not having a console to support their VR initiative adequately.
-ImaginaryInsider
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It's a $399 iterative console in 2016, what were people's expectations?
Well, past the UHD blu-ray drive...
Well, past the UHD blu-ray drive...
H.Cornerstone
Member
Yeah I think this was the biggest problem.
Its what I thought it would be. Like buying a new video card after 3 years.
Chill Penguin
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Not impressed at all with this offering. Sony in 2013 was on fire, every decision they made was gold. Now... something seems off. Their design is off, the specs are underwhelming, and no UHD Blu ray player in a console that is selling itself on 4k is hilarious.
MS is hitting the right notes now. Xbone S is a gorgeous console packed with features, scorpio is going to be a beast that's both forward and backward compatible, and their play anywhere initiative is very intriguing.
Sony is still leading this gen and will win it handily, but the seeds of future competition are being planted now, and MS' vision seems to be more focused and forward thinking. I can feel the tides starting to shift back towards Microsoft.
MS is hitting the right notes now. Xbone S is a gorgeous console packed with features, scorpio is going to be a beast that's both forward and backward compatible, and their play anywhere initiative is very intriguing.
Sony is still leading this gen and will win it handily, but the seeds of future competition are being planted now, and MS' vision seems to be more focused and forward thinking. I can feel the tides starting to shift back towards Microsoft.
Ninja Scooter
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There is little to no evidence that these Sony "missteps" everyone keeps freaking out about will translate to the real world.
Maybe it seems they are rushing to you, because you've written some kind of narrative in your head where "now is not a good time" to release this console. Sometimes, I write this narrative too. But, to be honest, it is entirely made-up in my mind. It's not based on real concrete evidence or analysis. We may know better than Sony's marketing department (wouldn't be the first time) and we also may not.
Based on the hype I hear from my non-gaming friends about PSVR, now is probably a great time to catch those people who want VR, don't have or want PCs, and can afford a PsPro & a PC. At the same time, people like me who are just ALL IN ALL THE TIME will happily upgrade their PS4s over the holiday.
Based on the hype I hear from my non-gaming friends about PSVR, now is probably a great time to catch those people who want VR, don't have or want PCs, and can afford a PsPro & a PC. At the same time, people like me who are just ALL IN ALL THE TIME will happily upgrade their PS4s over the holiday.
Yeah I think the venue and audience they chose didn't seem to really usher in any of that hardcore enthusiast hype
Compare these two
Scorpio reveal:
https://youtu.be/IHjMF8d5yOA
PS4P reveal:
https://t.co/a28znhxx6m
there was a different ambience between the two for a variety of reasons, some games at the PS meeting looked stunning though, Horizon in particular and I'm sure that Sony made some positive strides with consumers
In what way?
Also outside of no uhd player there design makes sense its the best they can get from AMD at this time.
The presentation didnt feel confident. I have no idea why though.
Yh I do see your point I did get that a few times but ultimately I don't think that leads to the console/their plan for the pro being rushed.
Jacksinthe
Banned
Every game being released here on out has to pass Pro cert. So that's every game moving forward, full tilt.
Also, did you expect every dev under the sun to patch their past games? I expected less than were shown.
Power generally doesn't matter. I said that when people were beggingfor PS4Pro upgrades to be closer to scorpio and i say it now as well. Getting out ahead and getting out early will be more of a factor with NEO having sold quite a few by the time Scorpio comes out.
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought Sony was giving the developers the choice of whether or not to make a better performing version for the Pro or to just release the same version of the game for both the PS4 and Pro.
No, they have to have a base mode identical to PS4, and a NEO mode
Yup. MS announcement of the Scorpio completely skewered the perspective and expectations people had of the PS4P. The Pro was always meant to be a mild mid-gen refresh; It was never meant to be the start of a new generation and all the new power that brings. This is even reflected in the name: PS4 Pro. Sony making it clear that the Pro should be considered part of the PS4 ecosystem.
The Scropio, on the other hand, seems to be positioned as being a fresh start for MS. Yes, Scorpio games will have to work on the XBO, but it seems MS has marketed the SScorpio as a "reset" for the Xbox platform.
LukasTaves
Member
I may have misunderstood, but I recall Andrew House or Mark Cerny saying something along these lines when announcing Ps4 pro today:
This isn't about blurring the lines of console generations, the goal is for ps4proto still be part of the ps4 generation but provide a even higher quality for the gamers that demand it.
This was any take away also. Hope it's true. Long live generations.
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CaptainofIndustry
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I agree with you.
JetBlackPanda
Member
The problem here is people want PS5 right now for $399.
If this was just an announcement of the Slim with just new wireless and better power consumption people would be talking about upgrading.
But for some reason a refresh with a little better hardware for $399 is making people lose their minds.
This is a PS4 that's it.
If this was just an announcement of the Slim with just new wireless and better power consumption people would be talking about upgrading.
But for some reason a refresh with a little better hardware for $399 is making people lose their minds.
This is a PS4 that's it.
We knew about that from the start, but some people were misunderstanding about what it meant
seems pointless to release a new console that'll live for only a year (this is assuming they don't make the PS4 Pro the base)
NoblesseOblige
Banned
Because of how it looks. It's like they didn't have the time to design something that was aesthetically pleasing. Just take the PS4 and slap another level on it.
Xenoflare
Member
The RDR2 hype was real, efforts for tempering were made to no avail
and then Agent posts, and about how R* owes Sony an exclusive.
Hell even the ME:A was a bit... underwhelming.
neverknowsbest
Member
Do you understand how companies like Sony make decisions? They need to source parts and set up production lines months in advance. They've had the engineering design for the PS4 Pro locked since way before the Scorpio announcement. There's no way they "rushed" the Pro, they've probably had a release date in mind for over a year.
wapplew
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zswordsman
Member
Well it's pretty cheap since ps4 is still around that price range, might as well buy the pro edition. I figure they release the Pro and then in two years time release PS5 properly.
captainraincoat
Banned
This...sonys putting all their eggs in the vr basket...the pro seems like it was made to address the shortcomings of the ps4 and give devs more headroom
I think the pro patches on vr games are going to prove the point.
That said...sony did a pretty piss poor job in trying to convey what the pro exactly is from an existing owners point of view
Man-is-Obsolete
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Specs have been known for a long time and a fall release has been heavily suggested by the same documents stating all games from October on must launch with a neo mode.
So the only thing being rushed is people's expectations that it was anything beyond what we got, because we were told exactly what we were getting months ago.
So the only thing being rushed is people's expectations that it was anything beyond what we got, because we were told exactly what we were getting months ago.
Outrun
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Looked like it.
Where was that trademark killer ending with a first party showing?
This.
Xenoflare
Member
Don't for that to add "unrealistic expectations" to your first part, it adds up pretty nicely.
If the leaks weren't so early then there won't be that much a time for people to dream up stuff that goes too out of control.
Square2015
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To boost sales in Japan, where the PS4 has not seen near the success it has elsewhere.