jarrod said:There's conflicting reports on the DS screens being front or backlit (I betting on front though)... could anyone who actually played one at E3 (or wherever) let us know for sure?
Panajev2001a said:You are talking about the GBA and not the GBA SP... I understand, I have a regular GBA too.
The jump from GBA to DS is even better for people that jump from the regular GBA and not the GBA SP as it is the first time you have front-lit screens.
eso76 said:No, no, i'm actually talking about GBA SP.
Actually i didn't think it was half bad at first, but it's hard playing outdoors (except when the screen is directly lit by the sun, in which case it looks wonderfully crisp, it also flickers a bit but nothing major) and after getting used to a middle range modern mobile it can be a bit underwhelming having to go back to gba sp lcd.
Well actually the GBA SP's average time with the light on is 10-12 hours... and the 860 mAh battery was just for the E3 demo units so far (Fishie was told from a source at Nintendo Japan the DS battery would be double the capacity of the stock GBA battery) so we really don't know for sure. Also, I'm guessing the 10 hour figure for DS Kaplan gave was likely without WiFi (Nintendo has a lower cost solution for local wireless)... again there's just too many unknown variables to be able to automatically deduct the screens are frontlit from this information.... which is why I'm asking for fisrt hand information form someone who's actually touched a DS.Panajev2001a said:If the two screens were backlit, I am not sure the battery life would really be 10 hours (considering the battery), especially with WiFi on: the difference in ower consumption between a front-lit and a back-lit screen is not that small.
We are talking about two 3'' screens of not so low resolution.
GBA SP comes with a default 600 mAh battery while the deafult battery of the DS pumps out 860 mAh.
Considering that by Nintendo battery life of the GBA SP with light on (front-light, not back-light) is 10 hours, I fail to see how two back-lit screens that are bigger than GBA's one and with higher resolution (not to talk about the fact that we have WiFi and a faster ARM7 processor, 4 MB of additional RAM and a new ARM9 processor) would still manage to allow 10 hours of gameplay with a battery which is only 1.43x bigger.
the irony is so funny, mostly because most posts you make give me and most other people who don't prefer any console the suspicion that all those Sony products you own are controlling your mind. don't worry Pana, you're not the only insanely dedicated fanboy around here, and you aren't the dumbest one (by far). it's just funny because this is a great chicken little topic about how the world is going to end because Nintendo doesn't want to emulate a 5 and 10 year old system when those are already backwards compatible on 2 current platforms. Also, I don't know if you've ever bothered trying to play GB/GBC games on a GBA, but they're definitely not nearly as portable as GBA games. as much as I love my dragon warrior 3 GBC remake, it's not very conducive to portable play on the GBA already, and honestly I feel the same way about a lot of other GBC games.Panajev2001a said:Whoa... what a nice comment.
Insulting other people makes you feel better about yourself ?
If saying what you really think is being a fanboy, well I guess we need more of this kind of people and less of the "truth must conform to and help our console of choice" kind of fellas.
firex said:the irony is so funny, mostly because most posts you make give me and most other people who don't prefer any console the suspicion that all those Sony products you own are controlling your mind.
it's hilarious, though, that people bring up very obvious flaws of the PSP and you've designed your life around them, as if it's nothing... you already said you're counting on carrying around that bigass (for a portable) battery pack because you suspect the battery life will be atrocious on the PSP... something as fundamentally wrong about a portable system as that is a-ok in your book [...]
The other odd thing about this is you are adamant about nintendo needing to release a $30 add-on that lets you have GB/GBC compatibility on DS. why? By the time DS comes out you can probably get a gameboy player that cheaply, or just trade in a couple old games you don't want to get it that cheaply.
Kintaro said:I'm sorry, but who really gives a flying shit about GB/GBC carts anymore in new systems? Sometimes, it really is time to move on.
I mean, seriously, if the PS4 is not compatable to PS1 games, are we going to see DOOMEDED posts about it? who will give a shit? Sometimes it really is best to move on.
(Probably, but everyone will be laughing at you... =)
Unfortunately the comparison doesn't fly as Nintendo's repeatedly stated DS isn't a GameBoy. GBA backwards compatability is a bonus, rather than the expected legacy of the GB line... that's the inherent flaw in all these arguments about why DS should play GB/GBC games. DS isn't a GB, it's that simple.Gattsu25 said:Kintaro: What you should have said is if the PS3 doesn't support PS1 or PS2 games, because that's effectively what's being talking about here (as close as one generation)
jarrod said:Unfortunately the comparison doesn't fly as Nintendo's repeatedly stated DS isn't a GameBoy. GBA backwards compatability is a bonus, rather than the expected legacy of the GB line... that's the inherent flaw in all these arguments about why DS should play GB/GBC games. DS isn't a GB, it's that simple.
An adapter though does make sense but I doubt Nintendo will bother... more likely there'll be a 3rd party solution.
DS isn't a GB, it's that simple.
I think the next GB is probably 3 years away still, though maybe sooner if DS flops (which is looking unlikely). And no doubt it'll go back to a single screen, push a PSP competitive chipset and cost about $99.Panajev2001a said:I think the DS should be the GBA 2 with the GBA 3 being released in like 1.5-2 years or a bit more.
Graphics are nice and unless they want to price GBA 2 around the same price of the PSP they will not be able to release a similarly powerful portable at a lower price (not just few dollars though) very soon.
I'm not saying that (and had PSP not shown up I do think we'd be seeing that ARM7/9 chipset powering a wireless GameBoy 64 about now) but Nintendo's been pretty clear on things. Originally DS wasn't even going to be backwards compatible with GBA, that changed this year.dark10x said:You are right, but I found that funny for some reason. "Oh, it doesn't have the name brand...so it obviously isn't related at all".
And it's their product... if anyone's say would matter, shouldn't it be Nintendo's?Gattsu25 said:and the PS2 and XBox are not real consoles, the point is: it supports GBA games, it plays newer portable games, it has the developer backing of the next gameboy...if Nintendo doesn't feel it is the next gameboy, they are the only industry people that don't
I know that this thinking is flawed and borderline retarded, but they are using the Playstation branding on the machine and i'd imagine Joe Spazz on the street might get confused.
AniHawk said:Yep. I mean, back in the day (and still now, I imagine), people would ask if PSX games could play on their PCs because they were in disc format.
DCharlie said:Anyways, isn't the reason the PSP not backwards compatible with PS1 also _the same_ technical reason that the DS won't be GBC compatible?
The PSP could surely emulate the PS1
so the problem was the media - the CD is too big and can't be read for the PSP , whereas for the DS you have voltage problems on the old cart.
Given that you'd be carrying that damned battery pack Pana, why don't sony release a thin cd reader which would just be as annoying but would allow proper backwards compatability ?
CVXFREAK said:I actually thought that the Saturn could play Genesis games because of the cartridge slot, but that was 10 years ago. I wonder how much better Saturn could have done if it had Genesis support... oh well, let's not get off topic.
DCharlie said:"I am not sure: you lack the MDEC (which did M-JPEG decoding something I do not think the AVC decoder is designed to do), plus I do not know how fast the GTE could be emulated. "
Well, all i know is i can run epsxe on my crappy laptop perfectly incluing vids/sound etc.
Also given that Sony bought out one of the PSX emulator teams, i'd have thought that this would have been the sort of project that you could put that team to work on.
Skipping etc : I have a sony cd drive here and unless i use it as a frisby or put jam on the disk before i put it in the drive, then it's fine. Sony have the tech and know how to make the PSP BC in someway, but they aren't pursuing it (not that i blame them, i personally don't care about BC at this moment in time). Emulating the PS1 on the PSP would have been easy, and i'm sure some hackers may come up with ePSXe for PSP at some point.
Remember we are talking PSONE here, not PS2.
DCharlie said:"Is your crappy laptop powered by a single issue, in-order 333 MHz CPU with a very small amount of cache and 32 MB of RAM ?"
.... where is your faith in sonys software engineers!
Anyways, even if not, they should be offering us all a small hardware add on that contains the missing chipset surely?
"Also, those Sony CD drives are a tad bit more expensive than the $29.99 I was going to spend for a GB/GBC backward-compatibility accessory for the Nintendo DS.'
Actually, this drive wasn't that much more than $29.99. Regardless - the point being if sony wanted to make the PSP backwards compatible there were STILL ways they could do it - they didn't because it's a royal pain in the arse and if they had to include the chip it would make an expensive machine even more expensive (but by how much? I mean, they make tons of profit of the PS2 so surely the IO chip running the PSX costs buttons - MUCH less than $29.99 i'd suggest! ) . This is probably partially the same reason that nintendo aren't bothering to do it as well.
MoxManiac said:Honestly pana, do you travel and game on the go so much that your worried that a few old ass GBC games won't work on your DS? I mean comon.
DCharlie said:"Hey, hey people have different priorities and things they like to do: I thought it would have been more than nice to also have GB/GBC backward-compatibility on the DS as well as GBA backward-compatibility and I cannot say that I am enthusiastic about how things turned out."
I'm not happy that i can't play PS1 games when i go on holiday and now i have to carry a PSP as well?!!?!? SONY BE DAMNED!
Again , if you are so into the GBC WHY is the PSP such a big thing for you? You are buying it for the new games - why not buy the DS for the new games????
Sorry if i sound confused, but i am - you aren't applying the same logic to both units - the DS is damned for not having GBC BC , yet the PSP is gods gift because it offers a new gaming experience. WHY are you not giving the DS the a bit of credit? it gives new games AND is backwards compatabile with a different CURRENT GEN platform. That is a huge bonus!
Actually, Sega was planning on MD/MCD backwards compatability initially but ultimately decided against it since they'd have to basically include the entire MD/MCD chipset to get it working properly.CVXFREAK said:I actually thought that the Saturn could play Genesis games because of the cartridge slot, but that was 10 years ago. I wonder how much better Saturn could have done if it had Genesis support... oh well, let's not get off topic.