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I don't understand how we can live in a society where it is so easily accepted that women can fool around with each other without compromising their sexuality, but if a straight man takes a booty beat-down from a glorious 9 inch he must be gay...

What the...ok... I'm not progressive enough to be able wrap my head around this.

 

[The Technomancer]

No explanation is required, but the explanation is they're experimenting with bisexuality.

Why are people so afraid of the label bisexual?

That may not be accurate, especially as we open ourselves up to all different kinds of "sexual identifications" beyond just straight-gay-bi

 

[RDreamer]

Look, if you're having sex with someone, you're probably attracted to them or aroused in some way, even a minuscule way, and if that someone is your same gender... you're probably not 100% "straight."

But that's ok, because who gives a flying fuck. We get so obsessed with labels and applying them to sexuality and that's why we get these people that insist they're straight but do some other things that aren't quite. It's because we have this notion that straight is better. It's the superior thing to be, especially for males.

To me "straight" is like on 100% on a scale. You are 100% attracted to opposite gender and 100% not attracted to the same. If you're having sex with someone of the same gender, all I'm saying is you might just be at 90% or hell even 99% there or something. Who knows.

 

[royalan]

What the...ok... I'm not progressive enough to be able wrap my head around this.

Which part is hanging you up?

 

[Magilla]

I can't tell if the world is deliberately trying to make me feel like an old conservative lately.

Jesus, Gramps, get with the times and suck a dick!

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

It's actually a common perception.

Certainly.

Are there any sorta stats?

Didn't Kinsey explain this decades ago? There's really no such thing as completely straight or completely gay. Or if there is, it's rare.

Well how rare is rare, and where is the line drawn.

Say for instance, I believe myself to be straight, but I can definitely see that a dude like Chris Hemsworth is handsome. I don't feel a sexual desire towards him however.

 

[ThusZarathustra]

Gender is a spectrum, like everything else. Nothing is wholly binary.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

I mean isn't sexuality more of a sliding scale and less of a binary option anyway?

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

well, it is cheaper than a prostitute

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

I don't understand how we can live in a society where it is so easily accepted that women can fool around with each other without compromising their sexuality, but if a straight man takes a booty beat-down from a glorious 9 inch he must be gay...

Woman that fool around are bi.

 

[kirblar]

If they have sex with men, they're not straight... they're Bi

Are guys in prison who have sex together bi if they never do it outside of that context? Is a girl bi if she has a few drunken flings with girls despite not really being attracted to them?

Having sex with someone doesn't change your orientation. Sex is fun, and some people have far less hang-ups about how they get off than others.

If someone's gay but would do an MMF three-way, it doesn't make them suddenly bi.

 

[RDreamer]

Gender is a spectrum, like everything else. Nothing is binary

Gender and sexuality are.

The sooner we accept this the better.

And the more fun people can have!

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

Gender is a spectrum, like everything else. Nothing is binary

I mean isn't sexuality more of a sliding scale and less of a binary option anyway?

yes, but that doesn't mean some people aren't on the very end of the scales.

 

[Ezduo]

I always liked the way my therapist said it: "Sexual orientation for a lot of people is fill in the blank, not multiple choice."

 

[DOWN]

To be clear, it seems to be about men who call themselves straight, not that are really only attracted to women.

As mentioned above, same situation as that show My Husband is not gay from TLC.

I think she is being a bit contradictory saying to stop explaining it away while taking about men she refers to by their straight identity, which seems like that is itself is a way to hide it and not accept what it means about their attractions.

 

[bengraven]

What if it was just a couple of times in high school and wasn't your thing at all?

Still bi, even if you're not attracted to men and will never do it again?

...asking for a friend.....

 

[wolfhowwl]

I still consider myself 110% heterosexual.

 

[ThusZarathustra]

ITT: People demonstrate that they can't think beyond simplified categories.

"There's only, like, three types of sexuality, right? You're either, straight, gay, or you fuck everything, all day, forever. Duh."

 

[Surface of Me]

You dont have to be gay to enjoy some boipussy.

 

[spunodi]

I think it's more of an attraction thing dude. I would have sex with fish if I was paid to do it, doesn't mean I'm attracted to fish.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

Are guys in prison who have sex together bi if they never do it outside of that context? Is a girl bi if she has a few drunken flings with girls despite not really being attracted to them?

Yes

 

[royalan]

You dont have to be gay to enjoy some boipussy.

Personally, I prefer the term "bussy."

 

[tcrunch]

I think the title is less about "these men are straight and yet they're having sex with each other HOW WEIRD?!?!?!" and more "masculinity is so tied to straightness that even these guys doing other guys identify as straight, because to not be straight is to not be masculine, it's really messing up male identity, it's sad isn't it?"

edit: beaten hard

 

[Servbot24]

If the guy were attractive enough I could imagine doing sexual favors, yet I don't think I could kiss him. Wonder why that is, lol

 

[SmokyDave]

Jesus, Gramps, get with the times and suck a dick!

Seriously. I read the title and thought 'wait, we're doing that now?'.

Kinda worried I'll be smeared as a racist misogynohomotransphobic nazi if I can't find me a slice of straight cock soon.

 

[ThisGuy]

Lol society isn't ready for this.

 

[blame space]

one drop rule (drop of semen)

 

[hokahey]

Are there any sorta stats?



Well how rare is rare, and where is the line drawn.

Say for instance, I believe myself to be straight, but I can definitely see that a dude like Chris Hemsworth is handsome. I don't feel a sexual desire towards him however.

I personally feel 100% hetero/homo is virtually non existent, but I don't believe Kinsey assigned percentages to his scale.

 

[The Technomancer]

To be clear, it seems to be about men who call themselves straight, not that are really only attracted to women.

As mentioned above, same situation as that show My Husband is not gay from TLC.

I think she is being a bit contradictory saying to stop explaining it away while taking about men she refers to by their straight identity, which seems like that is itself is a way to hide it and not accept what it means about their attractions.

I don't quite think that's it. I think this depends heavily on what we define "bisexuality" as. If its a "consistent attraction to members of both sexes" then the article isn't exactly about that

 

[ElTorro]

I find the way she dismisses gay and bi identification weird.

I do, in the end of the book, suggest that, if straight people want in on queer life, that’s about something more than homosexual sex. That’s about queer subculture, which is anchored to a long tradition of anti-normative political practices and anti-normative sex practices and appreciation for a much broader array of bodies and kinds of relationships and so forth, and so I think most straight people don’t actually want to be part of it. I think straight people who engage in homosexual sex, what makes them straight is precisely that they have no interest whatsoever in being part of queer subculture, and so in the last chapter I’m making the point that they could if they wanted to, but they don’t, and that’s part of how we know that this is homosexual sex being enacted in the service of heteronormativity.

And here a quote from the book, as given by an Amazon review:

I find both heterosexual and mainstream gay culture distasteful and often pitiable; that my partner and I are not ladies and we don’t want our relationship described as beautiful; that if you think you would be happier as a ‘d’ (censor) you could and should be one; and that I don’t want a good public image (at least not the kind for which mainstream gay and lesbian movement is striving); and that it is precisely because queerness refuses normalization that is meaningful to me and to other queers. The subversion is where the romance lies.

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

Seriously. I read the title and thought 'wait, we're doing that now?'.

Kinda worried I'll be smeared as a racist misogynohomotransphobic nazi if I can't find me a slice of straight cock soon.

You dont have to be gay to enjoy some boipussy.

I prefer the earhole.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

Men's sexuality is a very interesting topic that is tragically rarely discussed in the mainstream.

I remember reading an article about how the audience for futa hentai was almost entirely straight men despite it being a sub genre of hentai that was essentially defined by penises.

 

[Kuroyume]

I still consider myself 110% heterosexual.

Have you ever been to prison, a frat house, or a conservative suburban neighborhood? Ever joined the military, or a biker gang? If so...

 

[Dennis]

Bullshit.

In all of those environments there are of course gay men. And they engage in sex with each other. That does not mean they are straight men having gay sex. It means they are men pretending to be straight while they are either gay or bisexual.

I am straight. Never have I ever been even close to wanting to have sex with another man.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

ITT: People demonstrate that they can't think beyond simplified categories.

"There's only, like, three types of sexuality, right? You're either, straight, gay, or you fuck everything, all day, forever. Duh."

Here's a neat diagram that's not limited by hetero/homo. I'm sure it's not in anyway complete, but more comprehensive than most. I personally identify as gynephilic.

 

[hodayathink]

The fish?

But probably with fluffers

Fluffers don't exist in porn anymore (for the most part). Either you use pills/injections, the other person in the scene helps you if you're REALLY lucky, or you don't get hired anymore because you're branded as unreliable.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

Bullshit.

In all of those environments there are of course gay men. And they engage in sex with each other. That does not mean they are straight men having gay sex. It means they are men pretending to be straight while they are either gay or bisexual.

I am straight. Never have I ever been even close to wanting to have sex with another man.

.

 

[dream]

But the problem with Ward's thesis is that it's so demonstrably false. She argues that it is through homosexual experiences that white males (and here, I have to wonder what it is about the experiences of other ethnic and cultural groups that excludes them from Ward's argument) reaffirm their heterosexuality.

This is stupid on so many levels, starting with her supposition that sexual orientation is a binary, then undermining her own model of preference by having her subjects undermine the division that she created.

 

[FUME5]

I'm starting to feel more and more anomalous.

 

[Escape Goat]

Fluffers don't exist in porn anymore (for the most part). Either you use pills/injections, the other person in the scene helps you if you're REALLY lucky, or you don't get hired anymore because you're branded as unreliable.

You seem very knowledgeable about this.

 

[badrang]

Bullshit.

In all of those environments there are of course gay men. And they engage in sex with each other. That does not mean they are straight men having gay sex. It means they are men pretending to be straight while they are either gay or bisexual.

I am straight. Never have I ever been even close to wanting to have sex with another man.

You just haven't meet me yet.

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

Have you ever been to prison, a frat house, or a conservative suburban neighborhood? Ever joined the military, or a biker gang? If so...

Those gay bikers!

Spoiler

I actually don't understand what you are trying to say lol.

 

[Syriel]

I don't understand how we can live in a society where it is so easily accepted that women can fool around with each other without compromising their sexuality, but if a straight man takes a booty beat-down from a glorious 9 inch he must be gay...

Yes, precisely. Ward is arguing that men's sexuality is not any different than women's and is looking to do away with this perception. She also considers this notion to be sexist, insofar as it perpetuates the desire for women always being sexually available.

When straight women hook up with other straight women, no real explanation is required; when straight men hook up with other straight men, it’s a different story.

It's like you two are ignoring the fact that bisexuality exists.

There is no double-standard. If a guy likes both men and women, he's bi. If a girl likes both women and men, she's bi.

It's like the author is ignoring the fact that yes, sexuality is a scale, but no, not everyone slides along it freely.

 

[DOWN]

I don't quite think that's it. I think this depends heavily on what we define "bisexuality" as. If its a "consistent attraction to members of both sexes" then the article isn't exactly about that

It sounds like this story is about regular encounters, not one time.

 

[Idontknow]

Sexual orientation is only based on who you are sexually attracted too. It has nothing to do with who you sleep with, it has to do with whom you have a sexual desire to sleep with. It's the desire not the actual act of having sex. A man having sex with a woman doesn't make him straight. Normally, a man will have sex with a woman BECAUSE he already is straight. If a man is only sexually attracted to women, but sleeps with another man, he is regarded as a straight man, that is going against what he naturally, sexually desires. Being gay is the primary reason a man will sleep with another man; a man sleeping with another man is NOT the reason a man is gay. It is not outside the realm of possibility for two straight men to have sex with one another.

 

[SmackAttack]

Bullshit.

In all of those environments there are of course gay men. And they engage in sex with each other. That does not mean they are straight men having gay sex. It means they are men pretending to be straight while they are either gay or bisexual.

I am straight. Never have I ever been even close to wanting to have sex with another man.

^

 

[kirblar]

If the guy were attractive enough I could imagine doing sexual favors, yet I don't think I could kiss him. Wonder why that is, lol

That's 100% what I've run into with guys like this- the lack of any romantic intimacy flags itself fast.

 

[boiled goose]

Because they're not straight but there is a stigma to come out and identify as bi?

 

[SapientWolf]

I saw a docu about truckers doing this, and I was talking about it when I got tagged. Some of them are married, and they seek out other married men because apparently that means it's not gay. And I don't even know I can put into google to find the documentary instead of finding gay porn.

 

[unholyrevenger72]

Say for instance, I believe myself to be straight, but I can definitely see that a dude like Chris Hemsworth is handsome. I don't feel a sexual desire towards him however.

If there is a sum of money large enough to coax you into into having sex with Hemsworth then you're Bi. It's a matter of what you're willing to do.

Bi guys who label themselves Straight do because to them having the Bi label would reduce their social status among their friends and publicly.