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Wii 2 (Project Cafe): Officially Announced, Playable At E3, Launching 2012 [Updated]
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Cosmonaut X
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mclem said:
Or a little potty.
Wolves Evolve
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Cosmonaut X said:
Leaf it alone you guys, you're really straining it.
beelzebozo
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so many just spouting off itt.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Jocchan said:
Truth.
I await the inevitable bitching from those claiming the system reserves resources for multi-screen streaming that could be better spent on raw graphical output.
Cosmonaut X
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Wolves Evolve said:
Don't be so rude - you're just making an assam of yourself.
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What's bean going on in here
Edit:COFFEE >> TEA
Edit:COFFEE >> TEA
Hot Coldman
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Rez said:
Smells like man love thinly disguised as rage
Igor Antunov
Banned
If the gpu approaches 4850 performance (and really 4 years later it shouldn't struggle to do so) then we will have a very nice console graphically speaking, even if we only get just 1gb of ram. Crysis 1 only ate up around 1gb total ram (video+system) during execution and that was on top of the windows OS.
All this idle speculation is losing it's appeal, we need some fresh info.
All this idle speculation is losing it's appeal, we need some fresh info.
Cosmonaut X
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Woffls said:
Ha! And oolong did it take you to think that one up?
...and I think that sound was the bottom of the (tea) barrel being scraped ;-)
EatChildren said:
There was some babble about the raw full power available if devs decide not to use the "shiny new feature" which was unkown at that time and now we know it's more than likely controller screen streaming so now everything matches: raw GPU power for TV-only "classic" experiences and not so much for new multi-screen rendering games.
That's why I also think a dual GPU is not so crazy: have one core rendering the TV screen @ 1080p and the other one rendering up to four 800x500 screens (less than 1080p in total) and if you don't want to use the controller screens, dual GPU power for the TV
Maximilian E.
AKA MS-Evangelist
Some more thoughts regarding "Café"s supposed power and the "strange" situation Nintendo is in.
This whole Café-thingy will NOT help Nintendo much with 3rd party and it is fairly easy to see why.
If the assumed power is "roughly" like Xbox360 (or heck, if its much more powerful), it will still not be "lead" console due to the installed base of the other consoles.
Most likely, 3rd parties will continue to primary support PS360.
The "gimmick" of the touch controller, will be something not fully embraced by devs, in the sense that, they will not make games requiring this feature, besides exclusive games.
And exclusive games, well, for sure there will be some of these, but perhaps more in the line of "zack and wiki" than Starcraft, CoD or whatchamacallit..
And when MS and Sony release their stuff, the power of these consoles will be bigger than Cafés supposed power and of course, the devs will embrace that.
The bottom line here is the following, Nintendo is "too weak" to dictate where the best of the best 3rd party software will be at. Nintendos consoles sells in great amount, but for 3rd parties, the MS/Sony camp is the better one for them. Nintendos machine help Nintendo sell lots of software, but 3rd parties "suffer" a bit more (even though there are some IPs that have sold in big quantities).
It will still be interesting to see what happens but I could easily see Nintendo once again falling from the thrown, basically do a Sony (PS2>PS3 transition)..
This whole Café-thingy will NOT help Nintendo much with 3rd party and it is fairly easy to see why.
If the assumed power is "roughly" like Xbox360 (or heck, if its much more powerful), it will still not be "lead" console due to the installed base of the other consoles.
Most likely, 3rd parties will continue to primary support PS360.
The "gimmick" of the touch controller, will be something not fully embraced by devs, in the sense that, they will not make games requiring this feature, besides exclusive games.
And exclusive games, well, for sure there will be some of these, but perhaps more in the line of "zack and wiki" than Starcraft, CoD or whatchamacallit..
And when MS and Sony release their stuff, the power of these consoles will be bigger than Cafés supposed power and of course, the devs will embrace that.
The bottom line here is the following, Nintendo is "too weak" to dictate where the best of the best 3rd party software will be at. Nintendos consoles sells in great amount, but for 3rd parties, the MS/Sony camp is the better one for them. Nintendos machine help Nintendo sell lots of software, but 3rd parties "suffer" a bit more (even though there are some IPs that have sold in big quantities).
It will still be interesting to see what happens but I could easily see Nintendo once again falling from the thrown, basically do a Sony (PS2>PS3 transition)..
Maximilian E.
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Peru said:
No.. (Not if its a Nintendo console)
Maximilian E.
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Plinko said:
Well, unfortunately, this is a tag that I cannot remove anymore.. :/
(but my point is still valid.. )
Maximilian E.
AKA MS-Evangelist
herod said:
well, we dont exactly know that it is so similar, we do seem to know that the architecture is similar..(but yes, this points to the fact that it should be no problem of porting stuff).
However...
Just more power will not make a console have exclusives and make all the devs make exclusive stuff to the machine.
Xbox was more powerful than PS2, devs put more effort/money on PS2 still, due to installed base...
Similar pattern now?
Wolves Evolve
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Jesus we have a whole bunch of supposition but now we're engaging in a collective hallucination where the game industry has no history.
I was just thinking, with the rumored tablet-like design of the controller.
If true it is, in a way a nasty way to compete with Ipad and other tablets on a certain level.
If the console is supposed to be some central Hub from which you stream content, you could stream games (ideally the big games) CaféWare, any 'channel' from the console, or your web browser etc ...
If true it is, in a way a nasty way to compete with Ipad and other tablets on a certain level.
If the console is supposed to be some central Hub from which you stream content, you could stream games (ideally the big games) CaféWare, any 'channel' from the console, or your web browser etc ...
Igor Antunov
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No. You have that back to front.
Nintendo simply doesn't have to moneyhat 3rd party developers because it's own franchises dominate the world gaming software market.
It is the 3rd parties that are too weak to put up on a nintendo platform, so they shut up and sell themselves to the highest bidder. Nintendo doesn't participate in the bidding wars because it doesn't have to. It has proved that it can dominate world market share on it's OWN. How's that for 'weak'?
kittoo said:
Never underestimate the power of money bags. Which is what is what Nintendo needs to start doing aggressively if they want third party support early in the consoles lifespan.
Co-marketing agreements
Downloadable demos
Special licensing contracts for preferred partners
Plain old money bags
runnin_blue
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To be fair most people aren't talking about 3rd party exclusives but rather an upgraded new game (say a new CoD for instance) which is then downported to 360/ PS3.
From The Dust
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Nintendo seems to be doing this. However it's a little too late in the Wii's lifetime, but I can definitely see it extending to the Cafe. They just need to be doing the same with western companies and just Japaneseneoanarch said:
Igor Antunov
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neoanarch said:
Won't happen so comprehensively. Nintendo doesn't need them to survive so it won't moneyhat to that extent. Sony and microsoft are dependent on 3rd party developers and publishers and software sales.
Nintendo can derive significant profit from it's own hardware and software efforts so it will give them the opportunity to join the bandwagon, maybe dangle a carrot on a stick at times, and thats it.
Morokh said:
If it's indeed something similar to a tablet (even if it doesn't have the same functionality in battery life, apps or portability) it's clear that they're aiming at the bunch of people that's buying iPads but don't even know why the fuck they're buying an iPad (or any other tablet available, for that matter) and end up spending twice the price of a 3DS for playing flash-like games.
There's not even any additional work involved once the engine is up and running in that case, at least not for games also on PC. Developers can simply use a higher performance profile on Café and the same low performance profile on PS360 they already use right now.runnin_blue said:
AceBandage
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Sadist said:
Pretty much.
A steady stream of popular games, even multiplatform ones, would have done wonders for the Wii.
Refreshment.01
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A dual GPU could be crazy, when using dual GPU is not a linear situation in that 3 + 3 = 6. There´s also throtiling, heat, power consumptions issues to consider. It could be the case Nintendo might be better just going with a more powerful single GPU solution.beje said:
You know what would be awesomely cool for a future console? Using something like Thunderbolt (in a more fast future interaction) to link 2 systems for increased graphics throughput.
Licensing would be cheaper but since HD-DVD drives are no longer made, front cost would be higher for initial production. So if they opt for a high density format a blu ray variant might be the best choice.faberpach said:
Expensive? maybe. Impossible? F*ck no.From The Dust said:
From The Dust
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Also would be impossible as there is no manufacture of HD-DVDfaberpach said:
beje said:
oh, thanks.
Well it would be funny anyway, Nintendo just can follow the most rational path and adopt Blu-ray.
On the same topic more seriously.
Nintendo will really have to do something about piracy and give a strong message that their next console will not be pirated as easily as DS and Wii.
Refreshment.01
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Well Nintendo can intentionally position itself in the third place, like with the GC, to not encourage the pirates to brake their system. Would be a masterful move.faberpach said:
NeonZ
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Maximilian E. said:
I think the idea isn't to receive a large number of third party exclusives. The exclusives will come from Nintendo itself, like usual. They probably just want to keep a constant software supply for the new system, something that Nintendo can't do by itself. The rumors that it can receive easy 360 ports seem to follow that idea.
The biggest third party franchise this gen, and most third parties games in general, aren't even exclusives this time anyway.
AceBandage
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So GameCube discs were made in Australia?
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