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Wii 2 (Project Cafe): Officially Announced, Playable At E3, Launching 2012 [Updated]
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Lupin the Third
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Big One said:
I predict the use of China Blue HD (CBHD), which is absolutely nothing like
(read: almost exactly like)
JoshuaJSlone
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So so so so many fakes have had similar things said about them. Some people just like to go all the way.Stephen Colbert said:
Pyrokai said:
If there's a touch screen in the middle they want you to have access to without completely letting go of one side of the controller, it might be advantageous to not have something as tall as a stick in the way of the thumb.M74 said:
Lupin the Wolf said:
What's your rationale for this.
If Nintendo is still working with Panasonic, they will likely get NoD (Nintendo optical Disc) format revised to support BR laser. Whether it supports movies or not is up to Nintendo, but given that apparently one of the selling points of this console is streaming movies, it may well support movie playback,
Lupin the Third
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JoshuaJSlone said:
In the early GameCube days, you used to be able to assess the quality of a third-party GameCube controller based on how well the analog stick worked with Super Monkey Ball.
I just got done playing through Super Monkey Ball 3D and can safely report that although the analog Circle Pad is very, very nice, it is NOT quite as precise as an analog stick "proper" is. Making super-subtle movements and maintaining them is very, very difficult.
Unless the slide pads move significantly further than the 3DS ones, I'm not so big a fan of the analog sticks being converted into recessed, nub-style analogs.
Lupin the Third
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Deku said:
Just a bit of tongue-in-cheekery.
I think the proprietary format for games is probably a go. Nintendo has stuck with custom DVD-based media formats but locked themselves out of DVD playback ability in the past (digital audio out is absent on Wii units but required for proper DVD player specifications). However, I'm sure they recognize that high-def assets require higher capacity media. And Hideki Konno has said in an interview that, as a company, they're moving a bit more toward media functionality. I think Blu-ray Disc playback for movies and a Blu-ray/HD-DVD/CBHD-like proprietary format for games is the way they'll go.
However, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of no Blu-ray playback. Nintendo tends to be unpredictable like that, and it would save them on licensing fees.
Refreshment.01
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800? No. Cheaper thant that. Not overkill for a closed box that might release at the end of 2012 and need to last 4-5 years more. That doesn't mean Nintendo would go for such specs, just in case anyone starts debating.beje said:
8GB of flash maybe enough for save games, but not for other functions like extra gaming content, game installs or cache functionality.
You are absolutly right. Use a stream service for movie playback and not a BD disk for example. Anything that can drop cents from licesing fees.midonnay said:
Lupin the Third
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midonnay said:
And that may be what he meant. The description for Nintendo 3DS Cash Cards recently listed "Video on Demand" as an item that can be bought with the eShop's Wallet funds. It's not unreasonable to assume that they only meant digital media support.
That being said, I do hope they offer Blu-ray Disc playback, as it wouldn't be terribly cost-prohibitive. They could at least spec the system in a way that Blu-ray playback could be an unlockable feature and actually follow through this time on selling it through their console eShop equivalent....
ShellyDeKiller
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Link?wsippel said:
Lupin the Third
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ShellyDeKiller said:
Seems like it came from someone's online resume. Yes, link, please?
Refreshment.01
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No, because Nintendo would have to eat the licensing costs upfront. And the user might pay or not for the unlocking feature. So its not asured money.Lupin the Wolf said:
Hi Eteric. First let's get away of generalizations, i´m talking about the most likely scenario.Eteric Rice said:
Of course Nintendo eats licensing costs or do you thing Bluetooth on the Wii its free? But eating costs for a Blu Ray movie playback function is not economically smart when they already have stream movie support sorted out.
Of course is not predictive of anything, but common sense is really useful. We didn't get DVD playback on Wii, but streaming was a go. So why eat the licensing costs of a feature that may not be used so often?Deku said:
Eteric Rice
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Refreshment.01 said:
Well, they've eaten the costs on MP3s in the 3DS, so they must be willing to eat some licensing costs.
SidVicious
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8.5 gig is enough storage.
Eteric Rice
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Refreshment.01 said:
Oh, for movie playback? I dunno, they might do it, might not. They're unpredictable in that case.
Using blu-ray for their games would potentially be beneficial. While a blu-ray disc may cost more to make, it has a lot of benefits. More durable and what not. Nintendo likes durable.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Any thoughts on what the last "big surprise" about the console might be?
Wolves Evolve
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ElectricBlanketFire said:
There's a speaker on your fingers. There always has been.
ThatObviousUser
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ElectricBlanketFire said:
- Blu-ray
- Large hard drive
- No friend codes
These should all be givens but with Nintendo they're surprises.
I'd be able to predict much better if we knew if it was a software or hardware surprise.
Joe Shlabotnik
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ElectricBlanketFire said:
Only that it probably isn't that big.
The "surprise feature" for the Wii was that the remote had an internal speaker.
Jaded Alyx
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It doubles as an elephant.ElectricBlanketFire said:
ThatObviousUser
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Vinci said:
The Wii was supposed to be able to play DVD movies by default.
Then it was supposed to play them through an add-on.
Then it was supposed to play them through a new model of Wii.
I think Nintendo just got distracted with the Wii, and of course streaming a movie from a DVD increases the risk of console failure.
From The Dust
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Andrex said:
3DS still has one. it ain't happening
AndyMoogle
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It's definitely not enough. Even if they only go with DD5.1, it's still not enough.SidVicious said:
It's not unthinkable that they would change that single friend code to a gamertag.From The Dust said:
Shin Johnpv
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8.5 gigs is only not enough space when you add in HD video for cutscenes, and HD and uncompressed audio formats.
ElectricBlanketFire
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I'd just appreciate customizable soundtracks a la Endless Ocean / Excite Truck.
Refreshment.01
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Yes, i was talking about movie play back from BluRay disks. Going with Blu Ray for games, i think its a viable option. Because if Nintendo went with DVD then the HardDisk would be required for installs. Chances for Nintendo to include a harddrive by default are close to zero. But an optional hard drive is almost asured.Eteric Rice said:
Refreshment.01 said:
I'm not disagreeing and I see the point of saying it may not make economic sense for it.
but I think you have to temper that conventional wisdom with the fact that Nintendo has never been this media friendly in its history. It has dabbled, but Netflix taking off on Wii seems to have lit a fire. They recognize its appeal to the casual user who may want to do more so I can see the rationale for including movie playbox out of the box.
It makes the machine more appealing during game droughts too.
Wolves Evolve
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Shin Johnpv said:
Which is why you don't do HD video or audio!
Remember Gunpei Yokoi's saying "lateral thinking on withered technology."
It will be using cheap parts in interesting ways. Not cutting edge anything.
Fernando Rocker
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Last one.
I have mixed feelings about the new system:
Cons:
- I cincerely wanted Nintendo to enter the next generation with powerful enough system to compete with PS4, Xbox 720 and
. I'm disappointed :-(
- What's with the single-touch screen? Please don't have a stylus!
Pros:
- Basically Wii HD is enough. 720p or even 1080p rendering for Wii style games (new and BC) would most certainly drain my wallet
- I predict
- I predict
and that's a plus
I haven't read the whole thread and I'm kinda tired. Sorry if I'm going on with dated info or something
Cons:
- I cincerely wanted Nintendo to enter the next generation with powerful enough system to compete with PS4, Xbox 720 and
Dreamcast 2
- What's with the single-touch screen? Please don't have a stylus!
Pros:
- Basically Wii HD is enough. 720p or even 1080p rendering for Wii style games (new and BC) would most certainly drain my wallet
- I predict
100% compatibility with Wii's controller for new games, not just BC
3DS works as a controller
I haven't read the whole thread and I'm kinda tired. Sorry if I'm going on with dated info or something
Grampa Simpson
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Expectations:
3-4 core OOO PowerPC CPU - Slower than 3.2ghz in clock speed, but faster per clock cycle than the Xenon by a large margin. A bit like the difference between a Pentium 4 and any Intel CPU that came afterwards other than the Atom.
GPU based on the HD 4770 as a GPU and a memory controller. The HD 4770 is the die shrink that preceded the customization work.
1GB GDDR5. 2 would be nice, but the expectation is 1.
Blue Laser based Optical Drive. This could be BD-ROM without all the codec and playback licenses. If they at all believe that eventual BluRay support will help them out, it will be a codec/playback stripped blu-ray. They can add support later if there's a point to it.
Both controllers packed into the box. Wiimote 3, Nunchuck 2, and Cafe controller 1.
3-4 core OOO PowerPC CPU - Slower than 3.2ghz in clock speed, but faster per clock cycle than the Xenon by a large margin. A bit like the difference between a Pentium 4 and any Intel CPU that came afterwards other than the Atom.
GPU based on the HD 4770 as a GPU and a memory controller. The HD 4770 is the die shrink that preceded the customization work.
1GB GDDR5. 2 would be nice, but the expectation is 1.
Blue Laser based Optical Drive. This could be BD-ROM without all the codec and playback licenses. If they at all believe that eventual BluRay support will help them out, it will be a codec/playback stripped blu-ray. They can add support later if there's a point to it.
Both controllers packed into the box. Wiimote 3, Nunchuck 2, and Cafe controller 1.
poppabk
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Yeah I checked my list of games on my PC and of about 30 full titles, only 3 (Dirt 2, Darksiders and The Witcher) were above 8 gigs, and two of those run off a single DVD on 360 I believe. Of course optical drive playback might have some redundancy and so it might push some of the borderline ones over the top, Bad Company 2 with Vietnam expansion for example.Shin Johnpv said:
TheMagician
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The ultimate launch game for this machine would be a new entry in the New Super Mario Bros series. It's been too long since a piece of Nintendo hardward launched with a Mario platformer, and a title such as this which is considered a 'bridge' title by Nintendo would wheel in the hardcore and the core straight from the get go.
If the controller has a screen then maybe you could go down a warp pipe and then appear on the controller screen on your own, so that you're not interupting the progress of the players on the main TV.
OMG I just called it!
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If the controller has a screen then maybe you could go down a warp pipe and then appear on the controller screen on your own, so that you're not interupting the progress of the players on the main TV.
OMG I just called it!
- mcx
Fernando Rocker
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My only hardware related wish is... dual GPU.
A dual HD 4770 would be good. I think it would be more efficient than a faster processor.
A dual HD 4770 would be good. I think it would be more efficient than a faster processor.
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