Wii 2 (Project Cafe): Officially Announced, Playable At E3, Launching 2012 [Updated]
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butter_stick
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F Zero is off topic, on account of it being a dead franchise Nintendo have no faith in 
Sunshine is in many ways still the best 3D platformer ever. The verticality of certain levels remains unchallenged even by both Galaxy games. Nothing can compare to climbing high above Bianco Hills using the ropes set up. Traveling across the lakes using the leafs and the FLUDD is awesome. Getting the floor wet and then sliding on your belly is so pleasurable. It is totally the precursor to my beloved Ice sliding. Plus the controls are extremely sensitive and Mario is very jumpy. At the end of the day Sunshine is the 3D Mario in which it is easiest to pull the back flip, which is my favorite Mario move.
Lupin the Third
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artwalknoon said:
The head guy on TheBitBlock (formerly WiiFolder) posts frequently in the comments on the banned Nintendo blog site, and he does not always come across as a "pro-Nintendo" kind of guy. He sometimes comes across like a troll.
EDIT: (Of course, now that I go looking for trollish comments by him, I can't really find any. Oh well, take it for whatever it's worth, which probably isn't much.)
With Sunshine, I think they did a great job trying something new and experimental, both with the Secret areas and with the "tropical" theme. People burned Nintendo for it, so they took the feedback and ran with it. Inevitably, some people loved what Sunshine offered and others didn't. I really enjoyed Sunshine and 100%-ed the game, but it's definitely no Galaxy. The music alone is leagues better. I would say that, up to this point, Galaxy is the way to make a Mario game in 3D, hands down. Fewer camera problems, great music, tight controls and a delightful mix of linearity and "explorability" in the level designs. Sunshine certainly had its own merits, and I enjoyed it but I have difficulty going back and playing Sunshine after Galaxy. It just doesn't feel as "tight."
nincompoop
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Nintendo really needs to bring back the spin jump from Sunshine into future 3D Marios. That was pretty easily the best move in any of the 3D Mario games. It covered a ton of ground both horizontally and vertically, and it actually required skill to use effectively unlike the crappy overpowered long jump. It was also great for immediately comboing into a triple jump.
nincompoop said:
You don't like the long jump? Its a great jump because it really let's you do the "let's see how fast I can get through this level thing". What I love about it is that if you long jump correctly you can pass up all the little helping hands Nintendo puts between you and the star. Long jumping thru a level is like a challenge, I may die but it will be fun as hell. I suppose though you may consider that overpowered?
How do you guys feel about the possibility of Retro Studios working on a new Eternal Darkness? I was a big fan of the first Eternal Darkness on Gamecube (although that game has aged terribly) With the recent success of Amnesia showing that people are still very interested in the survival-horror genre, I don't think it would be a bad time to release a nice well-funded horror game. I think with Retro Studios's attention to detail, they would be a nice fit too.
CoffeeJanitor
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Long jump breaks the game, and I love it for it.
Whenever I've watched my buddies play Galaxy they always play very slowly, and die quite a bit. So I think the difficulty is actually quite high for this game for the average person.
When you start to use the long jump the game really opens up. Perfect controls.
Whenever I've watched my buddies play Galaxy they always play very slowly, and die quite a bit. So I think the difficulty is actually quite high for this game for the average person.
When you start to use the long jump the game really opens up. Perfect controls.
I was talking about the side somersault. Just checked Mario wiki.artwalknoon said:
What I would love to see in the next Mario is more manageable StarMan controls. It is awesome to just keep on running and getting super fast, but at the same time it is very difficult to judge your jumps while using Starman. That is one area where 2D Mario games just destroy the 3D ones.
nincompoop
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Well it's good if you just want to speed run through levels I guess, but Mario's moveset in Sunshine let you cover a similar amount of ground just as quickly. (Try doing a sideflip and immediately diving.) I just don't like the amount of control they give you over it, it takes a lot of the challenge out of the precision-based platforming.artwalknoon said:
ah, okay. Well I think its the exact same controls for that jump in the galaxies and sunshine. Its a great jump but I don't recall it being easier to do in sunshine. On the topic of jumping I wonder what new acrobatic skill mario will gain in his cafe outing. I'm thinking a pure jumping move not something tied to an accessory like FLUDD or star kid for spinning.maeda said:
CoffeeJanitor
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I really think speedrunning the levels using a combo of wall jumps, spins and long jumps is the best way to play Galaxy. The levels seem to be built with the more advanced jumps in mind, as the game never really loses the flow.nincompoop said:
But to each his own.
EatChildren
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Darryl said:
Zelda Informer have no contacts, and are a full of shit. The Eternal Darkness IP is still in Silicon Knight's court, not Nintendo's.
I was under the impression that Nintendo still owned it.
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=77932350
EatChildren
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Last I heard Dyack said the ownership was complicated.
Either way, Zelda Informer dont know shit and you'd be best paying them no attention when it comes to these things.
Either way, Zelda Informer dont know shit and you'd be best paying them no attention when it comes to these things.
Lupin the Third
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KevinCow said:
something Perfect Dark something pun something
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Man God said:
Oh, yup, now that you mention it, I do remember those details. Any of their own from-scratch IPs, they kept.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo has retained publishing rights and/or code rights to Eternal Darkness 1, but SK retains some rights to IP and characters, possibly obtained when they left their second-party status. Maybe they can't make an ED2 without working with Nintendo due to split ownership....?
ThoseDeafMutes
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ED 2 releasing January 2013 exclusively for Cafe. Believe.
shouamabane
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From The Dust said:
That one was the best.
Darryl said:
that was discussed like five hundred pages ago and it's 100% false with no chance of happening.
In the universe of "WHAT IF", though, I feel that if Retro did mystically get to work on something like this, they'd probably have a much better shot at it not being an abysmal failure than Silicon Knights had. I bet Retro could actually make a GOOD survival horror game, instead of an almost comically awful gimmick-based one like SK created.
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Amir0x said:
Retro can make a good anything.
Retro is awesome.
I kind of doubt Nintendo would want to waste Retro Studios on a game with minimal appeal and in a genre where they would receive a good amount of support from their bum-buddies in Capcom.
I'm honestly hoping Retro Studios are working on a new IP with a focus on competitive and co-operative multi-player. Either way, I can't wait to see what they're working on.. I expect a reveal at E3 next year with a launch in late 2013.
I'm honestly hoping Retro Studios are working on a new IP with a focus on competitive and co-operative multi-player. Either way, I can't wait to see what they're working on.. I expect a reveal at E3 next year with a launch in late 2013.
Sorry I went back pretty far in the thread initially, I must've not went back far enough. :/
The original ED did pretty well and co-existed fine with all of the Resident Evil games on the GCN. If it's true that Nintendo is going after an older audience with this console, it would make sense for them to fund a game that people might think of as being a mature game. They can do that in many ways, though. I'd be fine with Retro going after some new IPs. A FPS with a nice multiplayer focus would be nice.
Amir0x said:
DKC:Returns is awesome.
Would love to see a Retro's DKC in HD, full of details and all that shit for Cafe. Obviously with some kind of coop mode and more pirates.
But if they're working on something different, I'm going to still love them. Sometimes I feel the need of sending a email to them, like I do with gaben, just to tell them how awesome they are, but fuck, i'm never able to find where to send it.
Instro said:
It's just that DKC is so bad that i hate the idea of Retro sitting around wasting their immense talent tinkering at the DKCountry concept to make it the least bad thing it can be and being hopelessly frustrated at every turn because of how broken the foundation is.
I want them to make a new hardcore IP to kick off the Stream gen. Really go fresh and wild with the added power and technology they'll have at their disposal. Metroid Prime III is still one of the best looking Wii games, if not the best 3D Wii game, so I can't imagine what they'll do with the extra texture detail alone. They did some massively impressive things with the texture detail in MP III considering the limitations of the platform. it's going to be incredible to see what Retro comes up with.
Chittagong
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So there hasn't been any more legit leaks? Pretty much confirms that the opening of the floodgates was sanctioned by Nintendo, which means the particular facts they chose to let loose are key to their positioning of the new console.
Graphics Horse
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Well I guess there is still hope for a secod scheduled leak for the upcoming NPD day.
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They do sell Monster Hunter Frontier Online for X360 in Japan.Neiteio said:
linko9
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Back to the 3D mario discussion: I don't want to sound like a dick, but Galaxy and Galaxy 2 were far too easy. And I know for a fact that I'm not much (if at all) better at the games than the average gamer: my death count in Galaxy 2 was in the high 300s after all 242 stars, which seems to be about what most people had (though many of those were intentional in order to collect star bits... that really bugged me). But there were really only about 4 or 5 stars in the entire game that really felt challenging (thank god for that final galaxy). I understand why the game has to be easy up to the point where you fight the final boss, but after that, it needs to go all Lost Levels on yo ass. I was bothered to the point of anger by the fact that reviewers constantly mentioned the game's "crushing difficulty" or some such nonsense. Yes, I understand that Mario games have never been the most difficult platformers, but every mainline Mario game up to Galaxy was at least to some degree more difficult. Don't get me wrong, the Galaxy games are two of my favorite games of this generation, but I would have had a much better time with the games if I felt challenged more than a handful of times.
I wish that I could get the feeling of accomplishment I got from completing the missions in GX in a Mario game. And yes, GX is the best racing game of all time, and while I try to not care about sales, I get pretty pissed every time I remember how poorly that game sold. You can talk about your "hardcore gamers" all you want, but in a world where F-Zero GX doesn't come close to selling a quarter-million, that term seems laughable (yeah, this is an overreaction, I know, but I take my Captain Falcon seriously (Forever he will be my hero... and not just only for tonight (lol))).
So yeah, in conclusion, keep those 2D Marios easy so they can keep selling 25 million, and crank up the difficulty on the 3D ones.
I wish that I could get the feeling of accomplishment I got from completing the missions in GX in a Mario game. And yes, GX is the best racing game of all time, and while I try to not care about sales, I get pretty pissed every time I remember how poorly that game sold. You can talk about your "hardcore gamers" all you want, but in a world where F-Zero GX doesn't come close to selling a quarter-million, that term seems laughable (yeah, this is an overreaction, I know, but I take my Captain Falcon seriously (Forever he will be my hero... and not just only for tonight (lol))).
So yeah, in conclusion, keep those 2D Marios easy so they can keep selling 25 million, and crank up the difficulty on the 3D ones.
EatChildren
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Any issues people might have with Rare's DKC are completely irrelevant in the shadow of Retro's glorious DKCR. It's a shame some people here have such disgusting broken taste, but hey, c'est la vie.
And I'm banking on the 8GB flash storage rumour, because it is Nintendo to a T.
And I'm banking on the 8GB flash storage rumour, because it is Nintendo to a T.
linko9 said:
Galaxy 1 maybe, but I don't think Galaxy 2 is out of line with the rest of the series difficulty whatsoever. The other Mario games seem exactly as easy as Galaxy 2.
I personally think these games are more like gentle difficulty curve, not really difficult but with enough resistance to give you that cradling satisfaction from conquering the game anyhow. As long as you reach that point, the amazing gameplay and mechanics should do the rest. I definitely think Galaxy 1 and 2 were in that window, with Galaxy 2 obviously being the most perfectly executed.
linko9 said:
No doubt man. F-Zero GX is a god tier title. Every other racing game cowers in its presence. Hell, most other games period run away at its insane quality.
It had a sick track count. An unbelievable number of vehicles all with legitimate ups and downs to using them, all of them being completely viable on all difficulties if you're good enough. It had a hilariously unique single player story mode. It had incredible polish and shine - the character bios and their associated character bio music was phenomenal. It has insane, tempo-racing music that remains among the best racing music in the industry, right there with Ridge Racer and Wipeout. It singularly has the greatest track design of any racing game. We're talking tracks so finely designed that if you play a track a hundred times you will likely still be finding ways to shave a hundredth of a second off your time with just a slight alteration to your rhythm, boost strategy or vehicle trajectory.
I cannot praise F-Zero GX enough. It is the ultimate refinement of the arcade racing game.
EatChildren
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Stop praising F-Zero GX. All it does is remind me that no F-Zero will ever come close to it's brilliance.
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EatChildren said:
I will go fucking apeshit if that's true. There won't be a single upright table in three square miles.
Electivirus
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I've never played an F-Zero game, myself. The series never really caught my interest, and it doesn't help that I'm not too big on racers in general. Never touched a racing game that doesn't have "Mario Kart" in the title.
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