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Wii 2 (Project Cafe): Officially Announced, Playable At E3, Launching 2012 [Updated]
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brain_stew
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Death Dealer said:
Why would anyone say something has performance "like" a generation of GPUs where the fastest part is some 20x faster than the slowest. It makes no sense,people really need to start pegging this "r700" rumour to a particular part.
Edit: Could you try reading these articles before posting them? That's purely a speculation piece based on previous leaks, they never claim to have any sources or new information. There's even some basic errors spread throughout it.
Igor Antunov
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Death Dealer said:
Sweet.
beelzebozo
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the idea that it bears some passing resemblance to a super nintendo just strokes my game boner so hard. i hate myself for being so easily manipulated but god i hope that rumor is true. i really like the look of that mock-up in the o.p. as well.
this is not what i was expecting from nintendo, and i am pretty pumped that they seem to have surprised me again.
this is not what i was expecting from nintendo, and i am pretty pumped that they seem to have surprised me again.
abstract alien
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We will find out at e3.Shiloa said:
one_kill said:
This is Nintendo, who have made great strides in the world of multi-screen entertainment. They are keen to have it be able to be used when someone is watching TV, to keep you engaged with their console, but I'm equally sure they are keen to have everyone be able to enjoy Zelda 4 Swords style gameplay.
Hell, Nintendo knows that people chat on their iPhones and iPads and go crazy on Twitter whilst watching 'American Idol', and they are now even primed to take advantage of that sort of social networking development *if they want to*
The Xtortionist
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Shiloa said:
F-Zero, Mario, Zelda, Smash, etc...built on next-gen hardware is rubbish? ok
Oblivion said:
In my view, the absolute minimum ram needs to be 1GB if Nintendo intends to coexist with the next-gen Sony and Microsoft hardware. If they go for 512mb, then I can see the majority of their games being ports of 360/ps3 games for the next console cycle.
One of the hardest challenges facing console developers is budgeting memory in a game. 512mb of ram may sound like a lot, but you'd be surprised how quickly it gets eaten up.
The ability of developer to make better use of the available ram is perhaps the biggest reason why this generation has seen such incredible improvement in graphical quality. To paraphrase a friend about polishing a game; "A week spent freeing 50kb is a week well spent"
Cosmonaut X
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swerve said:
So hopefully some further details on Café tomorrow/later today then? I'd imagine Nintendo will be wanting to give investors some crumbs after the announced results...
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Thinking ahead to the Cafe's first holiday season:
Mario Galaxy release date: November 2007
Mario Galaxy 2 release date: May 2010
Difference of 18 months.
On that same schedule, that would put Mario Galaxy 3 at November 2012.
Mario Galaxy release date: November 2007
Mario Galaxy 2 release date: May 2010
Difference of 18 months.
On that same schedule, that would put Mario Galaxy 3 at November 2012.
brain_stew
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Kenka said:
No, not at all, most are above Xenos and some by a significant degree but equally it spans parts that are significantly slower as well.
Eteric Rice
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I wonder if the specs are finalized, or are they just what dev kits are using at the moment?
I'm hoping Nintendo gives us at least a decent boost over this gen's hardware. Would be nice.
Enough to still get games next gen would be awesome.
I'm hoping Nintendo gives us at least a decent boost over this gen's hardware. Would be nice.
Enough to still get games next gen would be awesome.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Medalion said:
Again, no it wouldn't. 3DS allows you to take portable-level games anywhere you wish. This screen would presumably allow you to take console-level games anywhere in the house.
Death Dealer
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brain_stew said:
Well I think we could assume the more cost effective performance oriented R700 design, as discussed 4770 4850 etc. I think when a new generation of GPUs come out, the mid range part is typically as powerful as the old line's higher end, but with more features, DX11 in this case.
Well, I'm not brainstew, but personally I would think it'd need to be at least DX11 compliant to be future proof. If Sony and Microsoft launch in 2014, then we can expect something reasonably more powerful then the Cafe (though, likely much more modest then the 360 and PS3). However, if the Cafe is at least compliant to (most) of the same standards, then Downports will still be easy enough for the Cafe to remain relevant.Kenka said:
It would be extremely odd to see Nintendo with the most powerful home platform, if it turns out to be that way.
I don't think a summer release, which people seem to be leaning to, is likely at least, for North America and Europe. The fact that this platform was not mentioned in forecasts for this financial year completely rules out any chance of release before spring 2012 (as predicted, against a disgruntled few members), and I just can't see them launching before ~October 2012. Summer is a real down-time for home platforms, and could kill the sales hype they crafted with Wii.
I can see this launching at the beginning of October 2012, and getting close to selling out. With Thanksgiving, they will receive a boost of momentum, which will ensure all stores are completely and absolutely sold out. A large, well-timed shipment in December will boost sales further, and hopefully carry the momentum/"must buy if seen on shelf" mentality through into 2013.
I can also see it launching for $299. They will have learned that $250 was too much of a step-up from the launch price of the DS, so will not launch this home platform for more than $300 (up slightly from the Wii's $250). They will not launch at $250, as that would de-value the 3DS and have consumers question the quality of the build (Marketing 101). There needs to be space of $50 - 100 between the two to justify purchases of both platforms to consumers.
I don't think a summer release, which people seem to be leaning to, is likely at least, for North America and Europe. The fact that this platform was not mentioned in forecasts for this financial year completely rules out any chance of release before spring 2012 (as predicted, against a disgruntled few members), and I just can't see them launching before ~October 2012. Summer is a real down-time for home platforms, and could kill the sales hype they crafted with Wii.
I can see this launching at the beginning of October 2012, and getting close to selling out. With Thanksgiving, they will receive a boost of momentum, which will ensure all stores are completely and absolutely sold out. A large, well-timed shipment in December will boost sales further, and hopefully carry the momentum/"must buy if seen on shelf" mentality through into 2013.
I can also see it launching for $299. They will have learned that $250 was too much of a step-up from the launch price of the DS, so will not launch this home platform for more than $300 (up slightly from the Wii's $250). They will not launch at $250, as that would de-value the 3DS and have consumers question the quality of the build (Marketing 101). There needs to be space of $50 - 100 between the two to justify purchases of both platforms to consumers.
Death Dealer
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brain_stew said:
You're really not in any position to say one rumor is more correct than another. It actually makes more sense to use something from the more recent 5x00series anyways. The manufacturing cost would be comparable and it would have newer features and use less power.
Death Dealer said:
Seems pretty obvious if the screens in the controllers part is accurate, because the 5000 series is where eyefinity came in, which seems like it would be very helpful for pushing multiple displays.. That doesn't answer the question of why someone would say use R700 as a comparison when it's not an R700 inside.
I dunno maybe the early devkits are using R700s and final hardware will be the 5000 series equivalent? Who knows.
Plinko said:
mario galaxy 2 finished up the same time as nsmbw. they delayed it to give nsmbw some time to breathe (or really, not to kill smg2 sales outright).
super mario 3d could be out this year. the earliest 3d mario for cafe might be 2013. however with a heavy focus on multiplayer and considering how very popular it is, nsmbcafe would be a better fit, especially if they did stuff like make it look not like the ds and wii game.
JonathanEx
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From The Dust said:
Just to put it in perspective - the Wii remote was playable at its announcement at TGS, but that didn't mean everybody there got to play it.
It could be a small selection of the press get to play it and we might not even see those demos, or, it could be playable on the show floor.
All we know is at least one person will get to go hands on at E3.
Well, now it is clear why this discussion about the GPU is plain bullshit. Thanks to answer.brain_stew said:
I see. What bother me though is the projected increase in power for next-gen GPUs. There was a chart somewhere stating that GPUs by 2013 would be 16 times faster that the mid-range Fermi products currently available.Luigiv said:
brain_stew
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Mr_Brit said:
As well as that, most of IBM's recent architectures support 4 threads per core. That's 12 threads that are each individually faster than Xenon's threads, hardly a minor increase in performance or SMT capability. Modern GPUs are much more flexible as well, meaning certain traditional CPU operations, like physics, can be offloaded to the GPU if necessary. Investing most resouces on the GPU side is simply the smart thing to do.
CrunchinJelly
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No more Galaxy.Plinko said:
New 3D Mario, please.
radioheadrule83
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Michan said:
Not necessarily true. They say 'not included' in this FYs forecasts, it doesn't mean that they've finalised plans for it to release in the next FY instead. Forecasts can be revised.
Igor Antunov
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Plinko said:
This would be epic if true.
What if it streams to any tv in the house with a little tv attachment as well as any controller ?
As I said in the other rumour and/or hype thread, the most compelling aspect of this console to me is that it may address a problem of playing console games in households where not everyone does: playing such machines may be an inherently unsocial activity, in that one person dominates the social space in a way that makes it harder for other users to enjoy it.
Here's one comment from Iwata, presumably to investors. Not sure if old (?) It's not very enlightening, mind you:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...-42-will-introduce-wii-successor-in-2012.html
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http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/static/business/article1997385.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...-42-will-introduce-wii-successor-in-2012.html
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http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/static/business/article1997385.html
Interesting that Nintendo decided not to state the console's name or main feature like they did with their 3DS announcement. I guess it would validate too many rumors, some of which could be inaccurate as Miyamoto warned, if they did that.
If there weren't already rumors out there, they might have just gone ahead and disclosed the name and tablet-controller already with this announcement.
If there weren't already rumors out there, they might have just gone ahead and disclosed the name and tablet-controller already with this announcement.
Forecasts can indeed be revised, but usually due to external factors. In order for shareholders to make informed investment decisions, Nintendo has a law-enforced obligation to present accurate forecasts to them. Not reporting sales forecasts to their shareholders in such a way could get them into a lot of trouble.radioheadrule83 said:
It will not launch in this FY.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Daante said:
A practical mockup? That's taking it to a whole new level.
Holy Order Sol
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cjelly said:
wtf
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