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Wii 2 (Project Cafe): Officially Announced, Playable At E3, Launching 2012 [Updated]
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GregLombardi
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Oh god give me a break! This is just getting silly!mj1108 said:
Graphics Horse
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Woffls said:
Pen shaped mini wiimote, like I've been saying. It doesn't literally let you use a pointer and screen at the same time, but it lets you switch between the two with the flick of a wrist.
Father_Brain said:
I could easily see the following happen:
360, PS3, Cafe: Developers stick with 360 as the lead primarily, and simply port to the PS3 and Cafe. Maybe a couple of developers want to stick their neck out and develop on the stronger Cafe system, to 'up the ante,' but that's about it.
Cafe, PS4, 720: PS4 and 720 launch. Given that software has sold on Cafe, and it's not massively - MASSIVELY - weaker than the PS4 and 720, why on earth would I (a developer) increase my costs on the new systems and make porting to Cafe impossible? Why, in essence, would I cut from selling on 3 platforms down to 2 as I increase costs? And if I do that, doesn't it sort of show that I learned nothing from the Wii, 360, PS3 generation?
astroturfing
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this is the most bizarre lead-up to a new console reveal i have ever experienced.
i still don't even understand what the hell its "main thing" is going to be... a screen on a controller? that you're supposed to pay attention to? while also playing on the TV...? what?
and specs-wise, is it going to be a powerful piece of hardware or not? listened to Eurogamer podcast and they were saying it might not even be as powerful as PS3 or Xbox 360. WTF?
never been so confused lol.
i still don't even understand what the hell its "main thing" is going to be... a screen on a controller? that you're supposed to pay attention to? while also playing on the TV...? what?
and specs-wise, is it going to be a powerful piece of hardware or not? listened to Eurogamer podcast and they were saying it might not even be as powerful as PS3 or Xbox 360. WTF?
never been so confused lol.
Saint Gregory said:
Power may have not been the biggest issue but it was arguably an important factor. Sony's PR around the time was exaggerating the strength of the hardware to the point of lunacy. "Like jacking into the Matrix, Toy Story graphics, Emotion Engine,etc" That would kill any interest people would have in Dreamcast hardware.
M74 said:
It's not that shocking at all. Think about it. It's a PS360-level system; GTAV will certainly be out around the time Wii HD is out. It'll be a port affair and Nintendo will act like it's a huge event since it's the first time on their platform for the 3D games.
It's not at all a big announcement. Not sure why he'd be asking for blowback for such an obvious thing. If Wii HD didn't get GTAV, it'd be more shocking.
Woffls
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OHHHH I do remember this being talked about forever ago in the first thread, now I understand where the benefit is. Problem with that is where do the buttons go? You've got analogue and LT on your left hand - maybe RB is as well if they're feeling brave - so there would need to be at least one button on the pointer? Can't be stylus-size then, unfortunately.Graphics Horse said:
Oh what a tease! Pachter said earlier this year that GTAV would be out in 2011, so maybe Reilly knows otherwise and is teasing him a little? Or maybe he's just playing with us? Yeah, definitely the second one.mj1108 said:
Akai said:
True, but it will also be up to nintendo to create a killer FPS or similar game that's exclusive to their console in order to attract that particular facet of the market away from the current systems.
The people who only love those kinds of games will never switch for zelda or mario. Nintendo doesn't nessecarily need many of those people to succeed, but they would help improve 3rd party sales on the console.
What they should probaby do is buy a western company that makes really good fps games.
Opus Angelorum
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I think the GTAV rumour is nonsense. However.
If Nintendo were to launch with it, there is no other franchise that shouts 'we want the hardcore' more.
If Nintendo were to launch with it, there is no other franchise that shouts 'we want the hardcore' more.
Again, the DC's problem wasn't its technology. Sega was running out of money and in debt. Sony was coming off the PSone, the msot successful home console ever. Sega was also battling a lot of issues from Saturn; EA refusing to support it, retailers being cautious/lukewarm with it after being burned by Saturn.
None of that will be issues facing this machine.
Obviously if they launched a 360 class HD platform, that's another problem for them. But if the GPU is superior to the PS3 and it is a .5 generational leap, then the headstart is going to be a huge advantage. And Nintendo has the retailer relations and cash that Sega didn't have.
None of that will be issues facing this machine.
Obviously if they launched a 360 class HD platform, that's another problem for them. But if the GPU is superior to the PS3 and it is a .5 generational leap, then the headstart is going to be a huge advantage. And Nintendo has the retailer relations and cash that Sega didn't have.
Amir0x said:
Right. I am not saying Nintendo is all of a sudden going to be a 3rd party darling, but the notion that developers are going to refuse to port over games to a new HD system for a minimal cost is just ridiculous.
Father_Brain
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Vinci said:
And what I'm skeptical about is exactly how Nintendo is supposed to get to the bolded part. Without exclusives, very few HD gamers will buy the Cafe versions of multiplatform games, especially since that will mean abandoning XBL/PSN in favor of Nintendo's almost-certainly-inferior online solution. And if there isn't a proven market for multiplatform releases on Cafe, many third parties will be reticent about porting PS4/720 titles to it, even if it's powerful enough. That's what ended up happening with GC's Western support, to a large extent.
Amir0x said:
Agreed. It'd only be a megaton if it was a timed exclusive on Cafe, or had significant Cafe-exclusive content. But if Nintendo can't strike deals like that for a few major Western multiplatform games, it doesn't bode well for the future of the platform's third party support.
manueldelalas
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It will be content streamed from the console, so the screen on the controller doesn't care if the console streams Crysis on max settings or Super Mario Bros 1, it's the same for it.ReyVGM said:
Should be an option for a lot of games; also, MANY other games should take advantage of double screen gameplay, like some games on the gamecube did with the GBA connection (think Pacman VS, Zelda 4 swords, FFCC, etc). Hell, now we can play HD Battleship.
Cerebral Assassin
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Amir0x said:
It would't be shocking to see it on the Cafe, but to see it announced stood next to Reggie? Especially as no GTA made it to Nintendo HW & considering the Manhunt 2 debacle.
Graphics Horse
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Woffls said:
Well I mean chunky pen, maybe even like the uDraw one, so you could fit much nicer buttons than on a Wacom pen. It's totally possible if they put the buttons and camera on the opposite end to the nib, but I could be way off.
The Technomancer
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Whoah, this is officially announced? How did I miss this thread?
Chinatown Wars was a ridiculously quality product. I would say R* definitely has no problem developing for Nintendo platforms, the Wii just wasn't their technical cup of tea.Cerebral Assassin said:
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TruePrime said:
Maybe a $49.99 download title.
schuelma said:
Exactly. It's never been about anti-Nintendo; it's been about Nintendo not having a platform that is comparable enough to port games over. Gamecube got all sorts of ports that it had no business getting for its lackluster sales performance, but that's what you get when you're in the "ballpark" of the other systems. In fact, were it not for Gamecube's limited disc space, I bet it would have been even more port heavy.
If Wii HD is somewhat more powerful than PS360 as is reported, no way it's not going to get GTAV. It'll be out at the same time. I'd say the whole point of Wii HD is to finally be able to receive the games the big boys get. Hell, I'd say that's even partially the point of its gargantuan, hideous controller they've got in the wings here.
If GTAV didn't come to Wii HD, that would be a more shocking outcome imo.
I meant if they don't announce it, it would be blowback. Not a good idea to tease something like that, especially given the way the whole "Rockstar on Nintendo" rumor circulates periodically, unless you're fairly confident it will be there. So the question is, does he know something, does he just enjoy teasing Pachter, or is he just playing the odds?Amir0x said:
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mj1108 said:
Fuck Jim Reilly. He's going to give us all heart attacks.
Father_Brain said:
The GameCube also launched almost 2 years late and had to deal with limited disc space at a time when it made no sense to do so.
The storage issue has been nullified as the market has had to grapple with exploding budgets, and the 8GB provided by a DVD is going to be enough.
GregLombardi
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I Lol'ed at the bolded. Way of putting things in perspective!Amir0x said:
Who knows wtf this controller is going to look like though, it should be fun! Maybe rivaling the reveal of the N64 prong-a-thon back in the 90's!
Woffls
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They'd better make that thing durable, because I'd be twirling it around my fingers trying to look super cool then dropping it all the timeGraphics Horse said:
3DS detected when the stylus was in the slot, right? Well, imagine if you're playing a western - RDR I guess, but I hate that game - and you're told to 'holster' the stylus, then draw it out from the controller and take a shot at the screen before your opponent shoots you. That could be totally awesome.
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Amir0x said:
I have to say I completely agree. Nintendo is now in a position to say to developers, "look, our new box can do your most impressive-looking games now, no sweat."
Father_Brain said:
The market has pretty dramatically changed since the GC. Developers were able to say, "We're going to support this platform, but not these other ones" back then. Nowadays? That's stupid. Near as rumors tell, this system isn't going to be based on some obscure architecture. It shouldn't take very much to port to it, one way or another.
GregLombardi said:
I'm just being silly because of how ridiculous the controller sounds. However, going by the controllers that IGN and the site that originated these rumours said is closest, it really does seem like it's going to be a gigantic controller in the traditional mold.
Which raises all sorts of questions I can't wait to debate about after years of having to wade through the pretenders acting as if traditional controllers were gone in favor of the unwieldy, massively flawed wii motion-type controllers. Sony thought this too, apparently, but nope. Nintendo going more traditional brings a smile to my face, even if it is with a hilariously unwieldy ninety-two inch controller.
EmCeeGramr
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I'd say "GTAV announced at the Nintendo conference for their next-gen system" would be pretty huge on the "hnnnnnnnnnnnng" meter.Amir0x said:
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levious said:
Really? That sounds horrible to me.
GregLombardi
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What's to upgrade though? Unfortunately for them I think they blew their load. Microsoft should have rebranded 360 when Kinect launched. All they did was Brand Kinect.ciD_Vain said:
A messy strategy.
EmCeeGramr said:
A port that all systems would be getting would be pretty low on the "hnnnnnnnnnng" meter for all but the easily impressed, imo. I mean other than the fact that Nintendo has been on the wrong side of history for the GTA franchise (limited disc space on Gamecube, inferior power with Wii), that's the only thing that prevented it before.
It's not like it'd be exclusive. Not seeing what the big deal would be in the least. Of course, this is the game industry we're talking about, who like to make big deals out of the smallest and most random of game news.
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