Wii U: Does it really matter if PS4 and Xbox 720 are more powerful?
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plagiarize
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and yet most tech demoes end up being surpassed by actual games two or three years after launch.
MGS3D does look like shit, yes. but Resident Evil Revelations looks great running on a real 3DS. just because Konami didn't pull it off in a real game doesn't mean the hardware isn't capable.
i hope you're just being, like, ironic, and you didn't actually think the slippery slope led that way, right?
LittleJohnny
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Yea, I guess they discontinued Gears of War as well
But wait, you're saying that MS also has a seperate product for the hardcore that's a cash cow? hmm, so Kinect is a cash chow for the mainstream and Halo, Gears of War, fable, Forza are the cash cow's for the hardcore... hmm.
If both your apples and oranges are selling well, why would you stop selling apples? That's where the fallacy of your argument kicks in. MS will not stop catering to their cash cow = Halo = The hardcore. Thanks.
shinobi602
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Don't really care about power, but if the Wii U's relative weakness prevents it from getting most of the big third party games, then, yeah, that's something worth taking into consideration. I went with Wii/PS3 this generation and ended up enjoying both systems, but given I'll most likely have less free time over the next couple of years, it'll be hard to justify buying more than one console.
bgassassin
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Yea, I guess they discontinued Gears of War as well
But wait, you're saying that MS also has a seperate product for the hardcore that's a cash cow? hmm, so Kinect is a cash chow for the mainstream and Halo, Gears of War, fable, Forza are the cash cow's for the hardcore... hmm.
If both your apples and oranges are selling well, why would you stop selling apples? That's where the fallacy of your argument kicks in. MS will not stop catering to their cash cow = Halo = The hardcore. Thanks.
He did say "first party titles".
Are you concerned that Nintendo didn't have a revolving door of current multiplatform games to show? We're talking about WiiU getting ports of PS4/X3 games, but as it stands now, it's not clear that WiiU will get ports of PS3/360 games on a consistent basis.
how many of *us* really care whether it gets 3rd party games? Are there many on here that buy a Nintendo machine only? won't most of us be getting either a 720 or PS4 as well? In that case it doesn't really matter where the 3rd party games fall, you have the bases covered.
Anyone thinking they can buy a Nintendo machine as the only games machine in the house, and have good coverage of 3rd party multiplatform games is setting themselves up for disappointment.
and whether it gets lots of 3rd party games or not has no bearing on how many Nintendo games it'll get - which is presumably the main reason to buy one
flyinpiranha
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Gotcha, that's a little more promising if it's a real-time demo. I think the Wii U is going to be the perfect stop-gap between my owning a PS360 and PS4/720. I just wish something besides Pikmin was at the launch as nothing they have planned in the first year really entices me and I'll definitely be buying one of the other machines in 2013 (assuming they launch).
Thunder Monkey
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I'm pretty confident that I did say some variant of that six years ago.
It was true then too.
I just don't have a problem with hardware being "weak". I can enjoy a tech discussion as much as the next guy, but it is just such a damn rarity to see hardware itself being the driving force behind the creation of game genres. Most of the games we play today are built on 1996 archetypes. Just with insanely powerful hardware running it.
Game mechanics rarely change because of the hardware. Most commonly these tech increases are used on flourishes. Visual additions. In-depth fluid animation (though this is part artistry), expansive environments, heightened environmental interactivity.
These things do have an impact on the games, but to act like they change them in anything more than superficial ways is kind of funny.
The only thing that's truly impressing me with our recent technical uptick is and I've said this in dozens of threads. Our shift from prebaked lighting to realtime. On the development side. Woo hoo.
I don't see this tech being used in any more spectacular fashion than that. Budgets are already too high to maintain, so this quality of asset work, with splashier effects, higher precision yada yada, and more interactive environments is about all I expect going forward from the vast majority of studios.
Same crap they made last gen with better shiny shine.
SonicMegaDrive
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As far as the system's ability to functionally run great games? Not at all.
As far as the system's ability to attract 3rd parties to want to create games for it? You bet.
As far as the system's ability to attract 3rd parties to want to create games for it? You bet.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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All Gears of War games released so far have been Microsoft's first party games developed by an independent developer - a developer who also happens to own the IP so the future is up in the air, but that doesn't change the fact that right now Gears of War is a first party franchise.
Boss Man
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Huh? First party developer is part of the company, first party game is just...published by it and nothing else? That is weird. I always thought of it according to the owner of the IP, but Wiki says otherwise. Who determines these things?
shinobi602
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I'm absolutely concerned, but am still holding out hope, perhaps against my better judgment. I've bought and enjoyed every single Nintendo console since the Super Nintendo, but I'm not as excited about the Wii U as I expected to be. Pikimin looks great, though.
Sounds like the majority of this gen.
Nealand Liquor
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Yeppers.
I hate to say it but I'm not at all excited about the next gen. I wish I was but the propect of gaming in yet another gen of past gen experiences with only a newer paint job, deflates all excitement. I suppose this is problems that face older gamers like myself, everything has been done, we've played it all before.
While I do hope devs will take advantage of the hardware and focus on physics, ai, iq, full destruction and living worlds rather than the uber poly's... I'm not holding my breath.
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When you talk about publishers (so Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, EA...), first party publishers are platform holders while everyone else belongs to third parties. When you look at the games those companies publish, first party games are games published by platform holders, whether they're developed internally or by independent companies (aka third party developers, when you look at it from the developers' perspective). It's as simple as that.
Having a non-Nintendo console covers the third-party bases.
But won't it bother you the next main zelda and mario will again be behind the curve?
It's still uncertain what will be under the hood of PS4/Durango but if star wars 1313 becomes the norm, it may again become hard for me to enjoy Nintendo first party games.
I guess this generation proved that it doesn't matter that much for mario, but for Zelda and possibly other 'core' franchises like Xenoblade, it does.
The days Nintendo gave us Ocarina of time and stole E3 by showing Twilight princes, they are gone. And so is most of my motivation to buy a Nintendo console.
All the talk about about Nintendo going third party, it's not a realistic statement with Nintendo's succesful business case, but it is a reflection of what those people hope.