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[EatChildren]

Killer Freaks
BF3
Aliens: Colonial Marines
Ghost Recon
Metro: Last Night
?

Basically a host of late ports.

Do not want.

 

[Nirolak]

Source

Whoever wrote that article didn't take a very hard look at the website: http://ea.gamespress.com/

NXG is a tag applied with no consistency and seemingly referring to anything showing up on HD systems.

 

[BurntPork]

Basically a host of late ports.

Do not want.

Uh, only two of those will really be late (unless you're assuming Wii U will release in November), and one of those two isn't even coming to PS3 or 360.

 

[Instro]

This reminds me that it was said to be confirmed that the final Upads will have analog triggers and that a racing game will take advantage of them.

And BF3 Wii U is expected to be at or near the PC version.

F-Zero confirmed.

 

[Bending_Unit_22]

I think they're a lot further along with Wii U plans than you seem to think. The fact that there is a HUGE drought of Wii software right now and we know that the Wii U is coming soon is not a coincidence. Remember that Nintendo formally unveiled the 3DS to Japan in January at "Nintendo World 2011." I think a similar event could be possible next year in January or February.

I do think you're right though. Because of the way the 3DS initially struggled to gain traction I think Nintendo is focusing all of it's PR oxygen on the 3DS. My guess is if it HADN'T struggled like it has been we would have heard more about the Wii U at E3 and even more than that afterwards by now. I think Nintendo is going to let the 3DS prove itself in the holiday season and try to use that momentum as a mini-bounce to upstage the Vita's launch while also unveiling the Wii U in it's more full glory. I just think by not talking about it more in the interim they're going to take a little bit away from ALL the announcements being close together.

Maybe they were but 3rd party and initial fan reaction (along with the 3DS bringing them down from heaven) caused them to go back to the drawing board in some manner. I could see it being a full blown PR shift to the 3DS also. I just can't imagine the plan was to have a tiny, dijointed, rushed reveal over a year before release and then,... nothing until a few to 6 months before.

I don't think you can count KF as well known.
One HAS to be a Call of Duty game.

Yeah, unless I'm mistaken, didn't Activision put CoD4 on the Wii over IW's objections?

 

[bgassassin]

Ghost Recon is a third-person shooter so it wouldn't make the cut.

I found the original quote and it wasn't that he said six, it was that I guessed six.

The topic is about an important comment made by one important developer. Get back on track. The FPS's that arrive on Wii U in 2-2012 will be important. Unprecedented for a Nintendo console for nearly a decade.

The topic was dealing with the Crytek comments. My guesses off the top of my head at the time were:

Timesplitters 4
Crysis
Battlefield 3
Killer Freaks
Metro: Last Light
Aliens: Colonial Marines

The TS4 guess was before Homefront was announced.

I don't really follow this thread, but did he say anything about hardware power and how the devkits are going?

Nothing about the dev kits, but for final hardware his comment in response to someone expecting PS3-level graphics was the same as this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dK4mNYiges

When it comes to that kind of info he goes into "cryptic mode". But in other areas like the controller he gets more liberal.

 

[Gaborn]

Maybe they were but 3rd party and initial fan reaction (along with the 3DS bringing them down from heaven) so now they're back to the drawing board in some manner. I could see it being a full blown shift to the 3DS also. I just can't imagine the plan was to have a tiny, dijointed, rushed reveal over a year before release and then,... nothing until a few to 6 months before.

Well, it's sort of like the massive 3DS price cut that no one saw coming (to the level that it was that is). I think Nintendo panicked and decided to focus all the PUBLIC attention on the 3DS but still felt they had to show that the Wii U was coming because otherwise the big drought of titles was going to look even worse and shake confidence even more.

I think it was a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. If they HADN'T shown the Wii U when it was widely rumored and expected at that point they would have gotten heavy criticism and shaken consumer confidence in their products fidelity even more. But by showing the Wii U and then going silent I think they risk alienating people a little bit and dampening the enthusiasm a touch when the complete unveiling is actually made.

I still think they felt they had to play it that way though because while they were obligated to show the Wii U to hopefully quell some of the fears they wanted to give most of the oxygen and the attention to the 3DS because it needed it. I think the 3DS has basically stabilized in the west and it's very healthy in Japan right now and it's going to get considerably better when the big titles hit.

I think at that point Nintendo will be confident enough to reveal more about the Wii U. I think because of the way the situation played out though that's the only way Nintendo's reaction makes "narrative" sense.

 

[BurntPork]

2-2012? As in Q2? I'm not sure on this one...

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Q2FY 2012 would be...September, I think?

 

[EatChildren]

Nothing about the dev kits, but for final hardware his comment in response to someone expecting PS3-level graphics was the same as this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dK4mNYiges

When it comes to that kind of info he goes into "cryptic mode". But in other areas like the controller he gets more liberal.

WORSE THAN PS3 CONFIRMED

 

[AceBandage]

WORSE THAN PS3 CONFIRMED

It'll be lucky to hit SNES level graphics.

 

[TunaLover]

It'll be lucky to hit SNES level graphics.

You always can overclock the SFX chip.

 

[Dr.Palutena]

Man, I really hope nintendo holds some kind of Nintendo World us event before gdc, i need something...anything :<.

 

[Bending_Unit_22]

Well, it's sort of like the massive 3DS price cut that no one saw coming (to the level that it was that is). I think Nintendo panicked and decided to focus all the PUBLIC attention on the 3DS but still felt they had to show that the Wii U was coming because otherwise the big drought of titles was going to look even worse and shake confidence even more.

I think it was a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. If they HADN'T shown the Wii U when it was widely rumored and expected at that point they would have gotten heavy criticism and shaken consumer confidence in their products fidelity even more. But by showing the Wii U and then going silent I think they risk alienating people a little bit and dampening the enthusiasm a touch when the complete unveiling is actually made.

I still think they felt they had to play it that way though because while they were obligated to show the Wii U to hopefully quell some of the fears they wanted to give most of the oxygen and the attention to the 3DS because it needed it. I think the 3DS has basically stabilized in the west and it's very healthy in Japan right now and it's going to get considerably better when the big titles hit.

I think at that point Nintendo will be confident enough to reveal more about the Wii U. I think because of the way the situation played out though that's the only way Nintendo's reaction makes "narrative" sense.

You're saying then that the plan wasn't to reveal much about the Wii U at e3 but the leaks forced them to get something to show quickly? I hadn't considered that but it would explain that e3 showing. I certainly agree Nintendo seems panicked (and should be) about the 3DS so that makes sense. Would be nice in that case to have some more info on the 3DS for the west though, but that's another thread.

 

[TheNatural]

I think they shouldn't have showed anything until they had more to show. It put Microsoft and Sony on notice that they're going to get out of the gate first, instead of keeping them comfortably complacent.

Really, they should have had Wii U ready to go THIS year, but they were unprepared.

 

[Gaborn]

You're saying then that the plan wasn't to reveal much about the Wii U at e3 but the leaks forced them to get something to show quickly? I hadn't considered that but it would explain that e3 showing. I certainly agree Nintendo seems panicked (and should be) about the 3DS so that makes sense. Would be nice in that case to have some more info on the 3DS for the west though, but that's another thread.

No, the opposite actually. I think they planned to show MORE at E3. I think no matter what they were going to show SOMETHING. But the majority of focus at E3 was the 3DS and we saw effectively no reasonably far along Nintendo games. The closest to showing a REAL working game was Killer Freaks which was VERY early and Ghost Recon which was a super early port as well. You KNOW Nintendo itself has been working on software for it for several months longer than any 3rd party developer. They had stuff they could have shown but didn't want to.

I think what the 3DS bombing did is force them to take a bit of Wii U's hype away. Imagine the press it would have gotten with an HD Mario game. That would have been great for the Wii U but would have taken a little of the attention away from the 3DS. Nintendo wanted it's major game announcements for 3DS to be the headline alongside Wii U and that means it needed to pull back a little bit.

 

[bgassassin]

^ I don't think that. I think they planned to do just like they did with Wii. Reveal as little as possible for the console's first E3 and then do a full blow out at the next one. They showed more with Wii U than they did for Revolution.

Q2FY 2012 would be...September, I think?

I think theirs is July-Sept.

July '12 release bandwagon still going strong.

WORSE THAN PS3 CONFIRMED

I don't think he would make the BF3 comments if that were the case.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

The public focus on the 3DS was absolutely necessary.

They had to go "FUCK MONSTER HUNTER HERE LOOK OVER HERE FUCK LOOK"

It would have been less successful as "MONSTER HUNTER HERE BUT NOT THERE BUT MARIO KART 7 HERE BUT IT WILL TAKE THEM TIME TO MAKE ANOTHER MARIO KART THERE AND UH UH ZELDA WII BUT ZELDA TECH DEMO U?! AND NOT ZELDA 3DS YET BUT ZELDA DSIWARE AND...."

 

[BurntPork]

Q2FY 2012 would be...September, I think?

Why would he be talking about the fiscal year?

 

[dacuk]

Guys, do you think is there any real need for Nintendo to be this cryptic, hiding everything on WiiU?
MS and Sony, at this point (I think) know basically what they want from their next consoles.
Nintendo is not doing itself any favor killing any attempt to build hype for WiiU, and I think this kind of "don't tell, don't imply" policy will actually backfire for them.

 

[AceBandage]

Guys, do you think is there any real need for Nintendo to be this cryptic, hiding everything on WiiU?
MS and Sony, at this point (I think) know basically what they want from their next consoles.
Nintendo is not doing itself any favor killing any attempt to build hype for WiiU, and I think this kind of "don't tell, don't imply" policy will actually backfire for them.

Could you explain how it will backfire, exactly?
Laying it all out or keeping it all secret won't change any major outcomes.
The majority of people just do not care.

 

[Gaborn]

Could you explain how it will backfire, exactly?
Laying it all out or keeping it all secret won't change any major outcomes.
The majority of people just do not care.

Press coverage. Gaming press and mainstream press. any significant announcement Nintendo makes, for example "Nintendo announces partnership with Company X for online infrastructure" will get some coverage. Game announcements the same thing. Especially a new Mario game can expect to get wide coverage. There's nothing wrong with at least getting a little word of mouth buzz going.

 

[dacuk]

Press coverage. Gaming press and mainstream press. any significant announcement Nintendo makes, for example "Nintendo announces partnership with Company X for online infrastructure" will get some coverage. Game announcements the same thing. Especially a new Mario game can expect to get wide coverage. There's nothing wrong with at least getting a little word of mouth buzz going.

Thanks, Gaborn. You actually answered better than I was trying to.

 

[EatChildren]

I don't think he would make the BF3 comments if that were the case.

What did he say about BF3?

And not to sound like a dick, but how sure are you of your source? EG: Is he a friend in a career you know deals with this stuff, or is he more of an acquittance who claims such things? Just asking for curiosities sake.

 

[bgassassin]

Could you explain how it will backfire, exactly?
Laying it all out or keeping it all secret won't change any major outcomes.
The majority of people just do not care.

After watching their E3 '05 conference, Sony is a prime example of this in a different way. They laid out a whole slew of things about PS3 (virtually the whole conference was dedicated to PS3). That was all made irrelevant one year later.

Side note: I like Kaz and it's a shame he will always be associated with 599 US Dollars.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

They aren't saying anything because they don't know what to say.

 

[bgassassin]

What did he say about BF3?

And not to sound like a dick, but how sure are you of your source? EG: Is he a friend in a career you know deals with this stuff, or is he more of an acquittance who claims such things? Just asking for curiosities sake.

It was in response to your lighting post and mentioning Frostbite. Wii U's BF3 would be at or near the level of the PC version

No problem about the questions. I don't know him, I'm just passing along what he's saying. The main reason why I would give him the benefit of the doubt is that we've been on the IGN boards for years (me 11, him 10). Not saying that would keep him from making stuff up, but he's not someone who just created an account a few months ago and is stating random things.

 

[nickcv]

They aren't saying anything because they don't know what they can say.

fixed for you.

they surely know what they are doing, the problem i think is that nothing is completely defined yet.

edit:
plus they already said that they won't say anything wii-u-related until the end of this year.

 

[BurntPork]

Given the current media blackout doesn't a late release seem rather likely ?

From any other company, maybe, but not Nintendo. This is just how they are. Most hints still point to a June release from what I've seen.

edit:
plus they already said that they won't say anything wii-u-related until the end of this year.

Technically, they just said no release date/price.

 

[dacuk]

After watching their E3 '05 conference, Sony is a prime example of this in a different way. They laid out a whole slew of things about PS3 (virtually the whole conference was dedicated to PS3). That was all made irrelevant one year later.

Side note: I like Kaz and it's a shame he will always be associated with 599 US Dollars.

Using your example of Sony, let me try to explain what I am thinking:
Most of you guys will remember the demise of Dreamcast. One of the reasons of its failure, was that Sony made sure that the not-yet-released-at-that-moment PS2 was always on the talk of gamers, to convince most of them to wait for it, instead of just moving from the PS1, Saturn or N64 to DC, as Sega was trying.

While it is not the same scenario now, the lack of hype from Nintendo for WiiU could be well used by Sony or MS to begin to build expectations for their new systems, making possible early adopters of WiiU (on the 'hardcore' niche) to wait for next PS or Xbox.

 

[Plinko]

I think the only reason Nintendo would have for not saying anything recently is if they're making some changes.

 

[Coolwhip]

My interest dropped below 0 for some reason. Probably because every day I walk past my Wii that hasn't been used for more than a couple of hours in total. Nintendo really needs to work some magic in their next attempt to reveal wii u.

 

[bgassassin]

Using your example of Sony, let me try to explain what I am thinking:
Most of you guys will remember the demise of Dreamcast. One of the reasons of its failure, was that Sony made sure that the not-yet-released-at-that-moment PS2 was always on the talk of gamers, to convince most of them to wait for it, instead of just moving from the PS1, Saturn or N64 to DC, as Sega was trying.

While it is not the same scenario now, the lack of hype from Nintendo for WiiU could be well used by Sony or MS to begin to build expectations for their new systems, making possible early adopters of WiiU (on the 'hardcore' niche) to wait for next PS or Xbox.

You acknowledge the scenario isn't the same, but what should be added is that this is also the follow up the the #1 selling console this gen compared to the debacle that was the Saturn. At the same MS and Sony don't hold the same level of influence that Sony had at that time. Those in that niche would be buying the new PS or Xbox regardless of any convincing by those two companies.

EDIT: I finally looked at the last bit of Sony's '05 conference and I forgot that they planned to release the PS3 Spring '06.

I think the only reason Nintendo would have for not saying anything recently is if they're making some changes.

Considering my belief of what the GPU will be, they probably wouldn't be able to truly comment even if they wanted to till next E3.

 

[StreetsAhead]

I think the only reason Nintendo would have for not saying anything recently is if they're making some changes.

Or because the 3DS didn't do as well as they'd hoped and wanted to focus marketing on that to try and increase sales and/or they want to wait until they have an amazing sizzle reel to show of 1st party games, which given many teams' current focus on 3DS games might not have been possible?

 

[Duckhuntdog]

I think the only reason Nintendo would have for not saying anything recently is if they're making some changes.

They make changes and revisions up until the last minute. The down clocking of the Cube GPU for example was a last minute decision, same for the 3DS with regards to RAM. The Wii U hardware isn't final and probably won't be for some time. That's just the way Nintendo works:

Nintendo: "Here's final hardware!!"
Dev: "What?! The system is launching in like 3 months."
Nintendo: "Yes. Yes it is. Well, good luck. We have money to count."

 

[EatChildren]

No problem about the questions. I don't know him, I'm just passing along what he's saying. The main reason why I would give him the benefit of the doubt is that we've been on the IGN boards for years (me 11, him 10). Not saying that would keep him from making stuff up, but he's not someone who just created an account a few months ago and is stating random things.

No offence, but that's a little dubious for my liking . As always I'll take the sceptics rout and assume this is a Wii taped to a Super Nintendo.

 

[bgassassin]

They make changes and revisions up until the last minute. The down clocking of the Cube GPU for example was a last minute decision, same for the 3DS with regards to RAM. The Wii U hardware isn't final and probably won't be for some time. That's just the way Nintendo works:

Nintendo: "Here's final hardware!!"
Dev: "What?! The system is launching in like 3 months."
Nintendo: "Yes. Yes it is. Well, good luck. We have money to count."

Sounds about right. Probably needs more talk about counting money though.

No offence, but that's a little dubious for my liking . As always I'll take the sceptics rout and assume this is a Wii taped to a Super Nintendo.

Haha. No offense taken. I knew this thread was an ideal fit for them to be posted.

Also your posts made me go back to looking at vids of the Zelda demo and I just noticed that Armogohma can be seen crawling outside of the temple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hTkCIJGTe_U#t=110s

 

[StreetsAhead]

Also your posts made me go back to looking at vids of the Zelda demo and I just noticed that Armogohma can be seen crawling outside of the temple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hTkCIJGTe_U#t=110s

Oh, I forgot about that. It's kinda awesome.

...I just wanna see some real non-alpha footage (Not that Killer Freaks didn't look good for pre-alpha)

 

[The M.O.B]

My interest dropped below 0 for some reason. Probably because every day I walk past my Wii that hasn't been used for more than a couple of hours in total. Nintendo really needs to work some magic in their next attempt to reveal wii u.

The whole time you have had a Wii, you have only used it for a couple of hours?....................

 

[AceBandage]

The whole time you have had a Wii, you have only used it for a couple of hours?....................

That's not even a play through of SMG1...

 

[BurntPork]

The whole time you have had a Wii, you have only used it for a couple of hours?....................

I used mine every single day for the first three or so months. lol

 

[Javier]

I get the feeling Nintendo is not going to let anything leak until E3. They are going to be as vague as possible until the very last minute.

 

[AzaK]

I get the feeling Nintendo is not going to let anything leak until E3. They are going to be as vague as possible until the very last minute.

Maybe not Nintendo, but Peter Moore is over there with them this week. So this time next week, all will be revealed. :^/

 

[JJConrad]

I think they're a lot further along with Wii U plans than you seem to think. The fact that there is a HUGE drought of Wii software right now and we know that the Wii U is coming soon is not a coincidence. Remember that Nintendo formally unveiled the 3DS to Japan in January at "Nintendo World 2011." I think a similar event could be possible next year in January or February.

No, they formally unveiled it in Japan in the October '10 conference. It was mostly an E3 rehash, but there were some new Japanese centric titles too. The January event was to announce the launch details including price, line-up and date.

Using your example of Sony, let me try to explain what I am thinking:
Most of you guys will remember the demise of Dreamcast. One of the reasons of its failure, was that Sony made sure that the not-yet-released-at-that-moment PS2 was always on the talk of gamers, to convince most of them to wait for it, instead of just moving from the PS1, Saturn or N64 to DC, as Sega was trying.

While it is not the same scenario now, the lack of hype from Nintendo for WiiU could be well used by Sony or MS to begin to build expectations for their new systems, making possible early adopters of WiiU (on the 'hardcore' niche) to wait for next PS or Xbox.

The Dreamcast never suffered from a lack of hype. Sony actually did their most damage to it with just a wink and a nod. But neither Sony nor MS have that level of clout in the industry today for that to happen again.

Nintendo's leaders have long lamented over the difficulty of maintaining positive hype over extended periods of time. So it shouldn't be any surprise that things are now quiet. But consider the wild swings we see on just this board... particularity the outlook of the 3DS from E3 2010 to e3 2011, but then the turnaround again for the 3DS vs Vita in Japan from TGS. Hype now doesn't sell anything and only put a target on you.

 

[Kandinsky]

No offence, but that's a little dubious for my liking . As always I'll take the sceptics rout and assume this is a Wii taped to a Super Nintendo.

... and launching on Nov/Dec 2012.

 

[guek]

I don't mind all this secrecy, but I wish nintendo would give us something definite to look forward to. Announcing a conference in Jan/Feb would be a great relief since it means we wouldn't have to wait until E3 for more concrete info. Conversely, saying they're keeping a tight lip until E3 would mean we could stop sitting on pins and needles waiting for every little drop of rumored info.

 

[AzaK]

I don't mind all this secrecy, but I wish nintendo would give us something definite to look forward to. Announcing a conference in Jan/Feb would be a great relief since it means we wouldn't have to wait until E3 for more concrete info. Conversely, saying they're keeping a tight lip until E3 would mean we could stop sitting on pins and needles waiting for every little drop of rumored info.

That would at least be a nice compromise for sure.

 

[Dr.Palutena]

I don't mind all this secrecy, but I wish nintendo would give us something definite to look forward to. Announcing a conference in Jan/Feb would be a great relief since it means we wouldn't have to wait until E3 for more concrete info. Conversely, saying they're keeping a tight lip until E3 would mean we could stop sitting on pins and needles waiting for every little drop of rumored info.

agreed, though I doubt they wouldn't say anything at GDC.

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

Did this really quick, too tired and lazy to do a decent job.

 

[guek]

So here's more random circular speculative talk:

what kind of max graphical output would you guys be satisfied with? I'm not talking about what specs, I mean what kind of output when the system is firing on all cylinders would make you happy?

For example, if the best looking wii U game looked equivalent to the witcher 2 on high settings locked at 30fps, would you be happy? Or do you expect games to appear on the wii U that surpass the best looking PC games we have today?