AndyMoogle
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Iwata obviously meant that the people who worked on that tech demo will never be allowed to leave Nintendo alive, so they can't make it on 360/PS3.
Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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JoshuaJSlone
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I imagine making a New Controller act as a Classic Controller or a sideways wiimote should be pretty doable, but stuff that's heavy wiimote+nunchuk will be a hassle.Naked Snake said:
Hmm...what I take away from that Iwata comment is not whether or not the HD Zelda demo could have been done on the HD twins. That may be up for debate, but it's entirely irrelevant.
What's important about that comment is that Iwata believes the other consoles will be incapable of reproducing Wii U's graphical fidelity. Obviously this has been confirmed by other devs by now so maybe the point is moot, but it's still nice to hear.
What's important about that comment is that Iwata believes the other consoles will be incapable of reproducing Wii U's graphical fidelity. Obviously this has been confirmed by other devs by now so maybe the point is moot, but it's still nice to hear.
Fess
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I see that Wii U speculation has turned into Xbox3/PS4 speculations too.
My only hope for the coming generation is that we get three different platforms with unique features on all of them. I don't want to feel like I'm double dipping if I'm buying both a PS4 and Xbox3. And more exclusives! There need to be more reasons for picking up more than one console.
My only hope for the coming generation is that we get three different platforms with unique features on all of them. I don't want to feel like I'm double dipping if I'm buying both a PS4 and Xbox3. And more exclusives! There need to be more reasons for picking up more than one console.
Fredrik said:
The biggest differentiator for the next batch of systems will be first party development. For the most part (with few exceptions) your exclusives will come in the form of 1st party titles or 2nd party collaborations next gen. And the overwhelming majority of titles will be sequels to existing and popular/selling franchises. Third parties will more than likely throw their ports at whatever can run the executables due to the associated and exorbitantly high development costs of producing "HD" content.
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AndyMoogle said:
LOL
Fredrik said:
Your hopes clash directly with mine
I can say without a doubt that I'll always be swayed by Nintendo's 1st party exclusives. Neither MS or Sony have ever been able to compete in that regard (though team ICO comes close...). Since nintendo games will always be exclusive to nintendo consoles, I want as much multi-plat games as possible next gen, with the Wii U included. I don't really care if those games look as good as ps4/720, as long as they maintain a steady framerate and look on par with the current gen, I'd be more than satisfied. I want a better online experience from nintendo, sure, but aside from fighting games and monster hunter, all my online gaming is done on the PC.
So as long as the Wii U gets dem ports in the future, it'll be a win for me.
Fess
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True. But I still hope that the consoles themselves will differ enough that multiformat versions will be different from each other gameplaywise. The Wii U controller screen is a nice first step, Wii U versions of multiformat titles will definitely be different. I just hope that it doesn't stop there, I want Sony and MS to come up with something cool and unique for their next consoles too, something that makes the next generation consoles feel nextgen in more than just the graphics.StevieP said:
StevieP said:
They go really much lower closer to the metal than any DX offers..
But they dont want to do title specific software emulation next-gen which they would have to in case of x86. They really want just a general emulator in the OS running pretty much anything but a few games
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
=HERO= said:
If you're referring to me, it's clear you have no reading comprehension whatsoever. I was just putting forth the idea it may be simple PR speak, that's all.
rpmurphy's explanation of it being a simple explanation to shareholders makes sense to me--thanks, rp.
[QUOTE="EA's Frank Gibeau]We were really blown away by the unique innovation that Nintendo brings with the Wii U controller on a high performance machine. The ability to do HD graphics and access game experiences in a completely novel way and a way that's never been seen before, it really struck our fancy. We were excited by what Nintendo presented to us, we thought about it and it fits well with what we're trying to do with our franchises like FIFA and Madden and Battlefield. There's great horsepower there, great innovation and Nintendo's got fantastic branding. We're platform agnostic as a company so if we find something we believe will have success commercially and critically, and has a business model that works for us, we're in.[/QUOTE]
more of the same comments i guess
more of the same comments i guess
Anyone could say that. Per-game software emulation is costly and slow in getting games supported. To have a general hardware emulation would mean that all games are backwards compatible from the get-go and there's no major worry of incompatibilities. If Microsoft weren't looking into that sort of stuff then they'd be mad.StevieP said:
bgassassin
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KageMaru said:
You're ignoring both the "maybe" in the post you quoted and the one not far after calling Sony a wild card.
KageMaru said:
I'm expecting the next generation to return back to the normalcy of previous release cycles. The last gen was too unique compared to the past to expect it to be repeated, especially with the problems that came with it. Both will be undoubtedly be better than Wii U, but nothing like some expect or hope. Unless PS4 comes out in 2014.
Vinci said:
I'd have to agree with Plinko here. People in this thread and in Wii U threads are understandably getting frustrated with harassment from the "doom & gloom" camp, even the Wii U defenders that are trying to be reasonable about it are faltering. In that sense maybe Plinko could have refrained from the comment. As for the replies to him: in 2005 didn't Iwata also say that when you see the graphics you will say wow? (or was he not referring to the graphics in particular). Either way, if that wasn't misleading, I don't know what is. So I understand people having reservations about PR comments especially when there isn't any unbiased evidence to support it, i.e., demo/screens with unquestionably greater performance.
I think once the devs leak the rough specs, e.g., confirming that it is a HD4830 or something and how much RAM, and the configuration of the memory hierarchy, etc., then the speculation can be more reasonable. At this point I feel both sides are just getting on each other's balls, even the more measured folks are having trouble not reading like faithfuls.
Saint Gregory
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I'm sorry but that's not nearly enthusiastic enough to convince me that the U is truly a next-gen console. For instance he says absolutely nothing about how the pure awesomeness and power of being in the same room with it melted his face.guek said:
And he needs to be jumping up and down on couch while shouting it.
I gave up on this idea before E3, but since once again, this Wii U speculation thread in only about the guts, why not create another thread focused on Wii U software speculation and ideas?
I haven't personally specifics ideas on how to start such a thread, so I prefer let it to someone else, but I would like to discuss some Pikmin 3 touch screen use, Darksiders 2 unique features over the ps360 version, and Tekken position in the Wii U launch.
Or I'm just alone to want to talk about software over hardware here.
On topic, I will not give many credits to what Satoru Iwata answered, and we can still wait for the traditionnal english version of the investissors Q&A session, it will not have as many misunderstanding when available in english.
I haven't personally specifics ideas on how to start such a thread, so I prefer let it to someone else, but I would like to discuss some Pikmin 3 touch screen use, Darksiders 2 unique features over the ps360 version, and Tekken position in the Wii U launch.
Or I'm just alone to want to talk about software over hardware here.
On topic, I will not give many credits to what Satoru Iwata answered, and we can still wait for the traditionnal english version of the investissors Q&A session, it will not have as many misunderstanding when available in english.
bgassassin
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Jackano said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28768332&postcount=1
Also in the OP is a mention about Ninja Gaiden 3's completion percentage.
Plinko
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sarusama said:
The thing that irritates me is that I've been quite supportive of this system in the past on this site. If Nintendo makes one decent first-party launch game I'll be a day one purchaser. I think the controller is going to revolutionize gaming (that is, you'll see Sony and MS making tablet controllers soon after as well) and I think we'll have a similar sales pattern as we did this generation. I also think it will be a sizable step up from the PS3/360. All I was doing was stating how it could simply be PR speak.
You make one comment that could be conceived as negative and people jump all over you for it. I guess I don't get why people get all worked up over systems unless it's blatant trolling.
Big difference Plinko between a reasonable, they could mean anything, until we know more about the Hardware it'd be best not to misrepresent what Iwata said, and your assinine response that perhaps he was referring to the fact that Zelda the property won't appear on other consoles.
Yeah plinko, Mr. Iwata needed to ask developers whether Zelda was going to be on the Xbox 360, of course people are going to laugh at you for that sentiment. Iwata was talking to the Shareholders, not the media and clearly meant that something about the Demo was not possible on other machines, of course we don't know what that is, but Iwata isn't lying to the shareholders, even if it's a much smaller difference than what some are assuming in their wildest fancies. Also the Demo was put together on underclocked early hardware in a very short amount of time, and it already looked high end ps360 at worst. The Wii-U's power will be more than adequate to be relevant throughout its lifecycle.
Yeah plinko, Mr. Iwata needed to ask developers whether Zelda was going to be on the Xbox 360, of course people are going to laugh at you for that sentiment. Iwata was talking to the Shareholders, not the media and clearly meant that something about the Demo was not possible on other machines, of course we don't know what that is, but Iwata isn't lying to the shareholders, even if it's a much smaller difference than what some are assuming in their wildest fancies. Also the Demo was put together on underclocked early hardware in a very short amount of time, and it already looked high end ps360 at worst. The Wii-U's power will be more than adequate to be relevant throughout its lifecycle.
Plinko
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Daschysta said:
And, again, people are putting words in my mouth. Not once did I say the Wii U or the Zelda tech demo wasn't powerful. Not once.
Also, never have I said the Wii-U's power wouldn't be more than adequate to be relevant throughout its lifecycle. Not once.
I'm on record on this site numerous times saying the difference between Nintendo and MS/Sony in this generation will be much less than the difference between last generation. If you're going to confront me with something, at least have your facts straight.
Plinko said:
Noone is accusing you of anything other than saying something that made no sense. People are jumping all over you only because of how ridiculous your speculation that what Iwata was referring to was possibly the fact that the Zelda demo couldn't be done on other consoles because Zelda is a nintendo property, and therefore won't be on the PS3 or Xbox 360.
People continue chiding you because you are getting defensive, if you'd just admit to how much of a non-sequitor your statement was and move on people would too. What you said made no sense whatsoever. Noone is roasting you because you brought up the PR speak thing, it's purely your ridiculous example.
Plinko
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Daschysta said:
Why, then, did you go off in your response to me about how Wii U will be powerful and more than adequate to hold up to MS/Sony in the next gen of consoles?
I admit it was an odd comment, I was just posing the thought that it could be PR speak like we've heard a million times in the past. "You will say wow," anyone?
AceBandage
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Yes.lednerg said:
No.
AceBandage
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Miyamoto already said motion sensing wouldn't be good for F-Zero. Also Retro isn't working on a new DKCR.
Pikmin should hit launch, along with a new IP (a shooter?).
Pikmin should hit launch, along with a new IP (a shooter?).
Plinko
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AceBandage said:
What is Retro working on? Also, motion controls don't have to be mandatory.
Also, if Pikmin is the only existing franchise first-party launch title Nintendo needs to do some re-thinking and there's no way that franchise moves consoles.
That shooter IP could make up for it, though, I guess.
The smart move is to launch with Super Mario Bros. Mii. That would move systems.
AceBandage
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Not sure exactly what Retro is working on, but they specifically said not DKCR2.
Saint Gregory
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I think you have to realize that a lot of people (well me for instance) thought that you were joking/being sarcastic with your original post because it was so out of left field. Even if it weren't an investor briefing why would Iwata need to explain to anyone that Zelda isn't a franchise available to other consoles? It's much like the posters trying to imply that Mark Rein was talking about the Wii when he said the U is more powerful that the current gen (or something to that effect). Why would it be necessary for him to make that distinction? Is there anyone out there who though the U was going to be using N64 tech or something?Plinko said:
So when it seemed that you were being serious I'm not sure what other conclusion people are supposed to draw from your comment other than you believe that the demo is possible on current consoles and not very impressive. You did say that he hasn't shown you anything to back up his statement and that it was PR speak afterall.
On the record, I don't think it's fair to compare a tech demo, on finished or unfinished hardware, to full games but after watching the off screen vids of the Zelda demo I think it is just beyond what the current consoles are capible of. Not in terms of polygons or shaders but in terms of the wholeness of all the lighting, effects, reflections and animation at work at once without a hint of slowdown or tearing. There are plenty of games available now that I think look better than that demo but none that I can think of that had as much going on in a single scene as Zelda HD.
Seems like Nintendo is relying on 3rd parties for the shooters. Pikmin is sure to be launch or close to launch, but I wonder what kind of new IP we will see from Nintendo. Id expect at least something mini game related.
As for F-Zero with motion? Fuck that. Thank god Nintendo ruled that one out years ago. That game is not suited for motion controls at all.
As for F-Zero with motion? Fuck that. Thank god Nintendo ruled that one out years ago. That game is not suited for motion controls at all.
Source? I don't recall hearing this, but that would that would be very interesting.AceBandage said:
They HAVE to be lying. It's not easy selling software today in this business that actually makes a decent profit like DKCR. And a sequel for Wii U would surely make money as well. Eh, maybe they got something up their sleeve. I can't predict Nintendo for shit nowadays.AceBandage said:
Plinko
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Game-Biz said:
I'm in agreement with this. If you read that article Ace posted, they deny they're working on a sequel but then give ridiculous answers for what they want to look at in the future.
I'd have to think Nintendo is looking at the great sales of DKCR and saying, "We need a new one for the Wii U ASAP."
I doubt retro is on another DKCR if they say specifically that they aren't. They are high enough profile within nintendo at this point to have a little bit of creative control. They may not be allowed to do their own franchise, but they have a history of revigorating long dormant franchises and making them popular and relevant to modern audiences with their work on metroid and DKCR. I bet they are working on a reboot of an older franchise for the WII-U, hence why it isn't a "sequel".
Why not stop making 3D mario in the favor of 2D ones, even handheld mario is 3D now. Why greenlight nitch games like pandoras tower, or continue to make fire emblem games over the years?
I'm sure that nintendo recognizes Retro's talent for making software that pushes hardware. I'm getting giddy just thinking about how beautiful another realistic styled game could be on the wii-u if retro is pushing the hardware and it's really significantly stronger than current gen. Those will be the kind of games nintendo needs to really reach out to the core audience that tehy are supposedly trying to poach or win back from Ms and Sony.
Plinko said:
Why not stop making 3D mario in the favor of 2D ones, even handheld mario is 3D now. Why greenlight nitch games like pandoras tower, or continue to make fire emblem games over the years?
I'm sure that nintendo recognizes Retro's talent for making software that pushes hardware. I'm getting giddy just thinking about how beautiful another realistic styled game could be on the wii-u if retro is pushing the hardware and it's really significantly stronger than current gen. Those will be the kind of games nintendo needs to really reach out to the core audience that tehy are supposedly trying to poach or win back from Ms and Sony.
If we assume Retro's next game is on Wii U, I would not expect anything at launch if it is to happen in Q2 2012. IMO even a sequel to DKCR might require more time than they have till then (~1.5 years). It takes time to make games and it takes a lot of time to make good games. The way Nintendo work is that they try to make sure they hit a certain quality level before they release (at least for internal titles). Skyward Sword is taking them 5 years to produce. So anyone expecting some epic, deep, detailed shit from Retro at launch is likely to be disappointed.
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