Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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Cmd. Pishad'aç
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I hope that instead of a price cut, they do a redesign (for god sake) with a bigger screen on the tablet and maybe expanded flash memory.
CoffeeJanitor
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This thing is going to be $350, or $400 if Nintendo is still in hubris mode at its release.
AceBandage
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Plinko said:
If they had a new 2D Mario, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, a new Zelda, and at least 4 AAA third party exclusives, they would easily sell out for months at $400. I mean, the Wii was selling for $500 online for ages.
Pachter is being ridiculous. What games could they have had ready by 2009? They would've had to pull 1st party teams off of the Wii 1-2 years prior, causing a worse drought back then than we have now. Plus they'd only have a Shader Model 3.x GPU in there, and the system would've had to cost $500. It makes no sense.
Not only does 2012 give Nintendo a chance to have some key titles ready within the launch window, 3rd parties have already learned the PS3/360 inside and out, and can now devote more resources to diving into the Wii U. Had they released Wii U in 2009, 3rd parties never would've bothered; it would be the Gamecube all over again.
Not only does 2012 give Nintendo a chance to have some key titles ready within the launch window, 3rd parties have already learned the PS3/360 inside and out, and can now devote more resources to diving into the Wii U. Had they released Wii U in 2009, 3rd parties never would've bothered; it would be the Gamecube all over again.
specialguy said:
You're forgetting 2 things.
1) The controller; don't underestimate it. The potential for it is phenomenal in both the "core" and casual market. Having that extra, hidden display opens up a world of opportunities.
2) Nintendo Mojo and the pact they obviously formed with the devil.
Nintendo is conscious of price. They've repeated that several times. Expecting 30K Yen/$300. Maybe even with Wii Sports U included.
It'd be just as good at showing off the system and just as lacking in many areas of functionality (e.g. online, leaderboards, full control) as the original, probably.
lunchwithyuzo
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My bet is $299 with a pack-in game, a Wiipad and a Wiimote+. And they'll go ahead and sell extra Wiipads separately, probably for $99.
AceBandage
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They'll avoid a pack in game like the plague.
Wii Sports sold systems, but it completely corrupted the user base.
Wii Sports sold systems, but it completely corrupted the user base.
AceBandage
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Gravijah said:
Like I said. It sold systems, but it poisoned the user base.
Wii Sports did its job far too well. It attracted people to it with its simplicity and interactivity. It completely killed any chance for other things to thrive, though. A good portion of the Wii consumers weren't fully aware that it could play other games (or, if they were, they didn't care since said games weren't easy and intuitive).
lunchwithyuzo
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It might be on the 8GB flash rather than a Blu-ray disc, but Wii U will launch with games in the box. No question.AceBandage said:
AceBandage
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It will launch with software, much like the 3DS did.
It won't launch with a full blown game like the Wii did, however.
It won't launch with a full blown game like the Wii did, however.
Plinko
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AceBandage said:
This may be the craziest thing I've seen on GAF in years. It was WAY more of a benefit to that system and may have been the driving force in keeping it on top the first couple years.
AceBandage
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Plinko said:
Yes.... it kept it on top with hardware sales. I have never disputed that, and in fact, that's exactly what I said.
However, it made the user base ignore most other games that weren't like WiiSports or weren't heavily marketed Nintendo items.
lunchwithyuzo
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I don't see a meaningful difference. Minigame collection on a disc or spread out between channels, same thing really.AceBandage said:
I do think there might be a perception difference, though it's purely superficial. I think consumers might've thought 3DS was a better value if the AR-Games & Face Raiders were on a card rather than preinstalled. The pack in worked out so much better for Wii, even though the depth of content there isn't any more meaty.
airmangataosenai
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Seems like a given now. No way they'd have them both at the same pricepoint.The Bookerman said:
ShockingAlberto
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$350 based on the DS -> 3DS pricing.
I don't think the inclusion of WiiSports hurt the perception of the Wii nearly as much as the lack of AAA 3rd party titles. As long as it launches alongside a good amount of popular core franchises - and it seems like it will - then things should be fine. Beyond that, they have to make sure to have two separate ad campaigns, one for the WiiSports crowd, and another for the dudebros.
lunchwithyuzo
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$250 based on the DS -> 3DS performance.ShockingAlberto said:
ShockingAlberto
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What makes you think Nintendo has taken the performance in to account versus the profit they're making for the extra $100 leap?lunchwithyuzo said:$250 based on the DS -> 3DS performance.
Is it the imaginary 3DS price drop that hasn't happened
Their rush to lower the Wii price from $250 for years
Or is it that they said they would absolutely not go lower than $250 which means it is the lowest possible price point they are considering
lunchwithyuzo
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I'd say it's going to be them dramatically undershooting their 3DS targets this quarter. 3DS falling so far short of the sure thing everyone expected it to be has got to be a wake up call.ShockingAlberto said:
That extra $100 profit per system would be better spread between two systems, each selling high margin software. Building base is important, even conservative Nintendo understands that, and Wii U is going to be facing far more entrenched competition for it's core market than 3DS did.
I agree with AceBandage's comment about Wii Sports, but the lack of serious third-party support did also play a big role.
Wii Sports served as the console's poster child and represented the "family on the couch" marketing strategy Nintendo adopted to primarily target non-gamers. The pack-in game was largely responsible for being a system-seller because of word of mouth. Wii Sports easily demonstrated the motion control capabilities and combined with the popularity of the Mii channel , quickly made the system a cultural phenomenon. Even third-parties were affected by the Wii Sports influence. We saw several third-parties resort to Wii Sports knock offs and party games trying to replicate Nintendo's success especially when many of them scrambled to come up with creative, original ideas early on. Several third-parties continued to copy Nintendo's success with the Wii brand software after the release of Wii Fit, another non-gamer title.
The perception of the Wii between core gamers and the mainstream audience is different. Also, Wii's userbase is quite diverse in terms of age, gender, and type of player (core,casual, non-gamer).
Wii Sports served as the console's poster child and represented the "family on the couch" marketing strategy Nintendo adopted to primarily target non-gamers. The pack-in game was largely responsible for being a system-seller because of word of mouth. Wii Sports easily demonstrated the motion control capabilities and combined with the popularity of the Mii channel , quickly made the system a cultural phenomenon. Even third-parties were affected by the Wii Sports influence. We saw several third-parties resort to Wii Sports knock offs and party games trying to replicate Nintendo's success especially when many of them scrambled to come up with creative, original ideas early on. Several third-parties continued to copy Nintendo's success with the Wii brand software after the release of Wii Fit, another non-gamer title.
The perception of the Wii between core gamers and the mainstream audience is different. Also, Wii's userbase is quite diverse in terms of age, gender, and type of player (core,casual, non-gamer).
phosphor112
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How can people guess 300 or even 350 with a straight face?
I expect it to be 400, the tech isn't going to be dirt cheap like the ps360 are, unless they are going to subsidize the cost or really cut out some hardware.
I expect it to be 400, the tech isn't going to be dirt cheap like the ps360 are, unless they are going to subsidize the cost or really cut out some hardware.
TheExplodingHead
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I don't see an issue with them packing a game in every box, I think the issue lies in what game they pack in. If it was NSMBWiiU, or a brand new Nintendo IP of a casual AND core nature, then it would be ingenious. A new 2D Mario platformer would sell to both crowds, and have big name recognition. This could also measure into them offering different "bundle packs", and selling a box without the game too.
The flipside is, would it tempt more casual buyers from buying any additional software, thus making it more profitable to sell it separately. It's a risk but if they decide to pack in a game that's what I would do.
The flipside is, would it tempt more casual buyers from buying any additional software, thus making it more profitable to sell it separately. It's a risk but if they decide to pack in a game that's what I would do.
Yeah, if Nintendo offers a pack-in game for Wii U, it' should idealy be a bridge title like Mario Kart or New SMB Wii. However, I don't think Nintendo's going to throw some of those E3 demos into the dumpster.
I can't help but think that the Wii U's tech may be from 2009 even though Aonuma said that he helped worked on Wii U 2 years ago. Obviously, whatever Nintendo had up and running was a prototype back then. Even now, third-parties like Vigil games were only given dev kits with prototype controllers before E3 and have just recently acquired second version dev kits. But it if the tech is going to be from 2009, then it gives Nintendo soom room to wait for the manufacturing costs to become more affordable if mass production isn't scheduled until October as believed.
I can't help but think that the Wii U's tech may be from 2009 even though Aonuma said that he helped worked on Wii U 2 years ago. Obviously, whatever Nintendo had up and running was a prototype back then. Even now, third-parties like Vigil games were only given dev kits with prototype controllers before E3 and have just recently acquired second version dev kits. But it if the tech is going to be from 2009, then it gives Nintendo soom room to wait for the manufacturing costs to become more affordable if mass production isn't scheduled until October as believed.
SolarPowered
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A good portion of Wii owners were not aware that good games outside of Nintendo titles even existed. Wii sports pack in games will not hurt the viability of other titles at all.AceBandage said:
lunchwithyuzo
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NSMBMii would be an amazing pack in. Something for everybody indeed!
lunchwithyuzo said:
Only if it was a timed thing. Otherwise, they'd be undercutting their ability to sell Mario games later in the system's life. "I already got this one that came with the system, so I'm good." Plus, not everyone may want that game. It'd be like Microsoft including Halo 5 as a pack-in in all 720s or something. Better to put a neutral demo-type game that shows off some things with the new controller. Sort of like Wii Sports was.
Again, unless it was a timed thing.
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AceBandage said:
I can't agree, here.
The initial Wii user base had a lot of hopeful core type gamers who jumped on the Wii for the trade off of graphics for a new experience. A shitload of them got burned hard by early 3rd party turkeys like Red Steel, and convinced the Wii was just a joke.
The expanded audience did buy good games... when they were made and marketed correctly, and weren't pre-loaded with bad karma (such as Red Steel 2).
Not just Nintendo branded games either. Ubisoft knows that.
The expanded audience also proved they would fall over themselves to buy true bridge games, such as Mario Kart or New Super Mario Bros.
Where Nintendo failed IMO was in a lack of expanded audience software and bridge titles. Stuff like Wii Music and anemic, lifeless updates to Animal Crossing weren't good enough. They failed to support a key add-on, Motion+, which got virtually no games after Wii Sports Resort. They gave up entirely the year after that, with an almost insulting Wii Party game that was phoned in.
Nintendo needed 2 or 3 major bridge games like NSMB and Kart every year... not just one. They needed bridge games to adventure genres, shooters, action - bridge games to get the expanded audience into the heftier Nintendo series like Zelda. They needed a ton of M+ games to build on the great success of WSR. There was nothing.
3rd parties did their part by drowning the Wii in rail shooter versions of the real games people wanted to play with pointer shooting controls, and crappy games made by C level teams on no budget. Resident Evil 4 sold great early on 'cause people were excited about what it represented. Too much shit followed it. So they sold their Wii, or had it in the closet. By the time some brave souls did put out excellent core oriented games, most gamers had been burned.
Hiltz said:
I really think Wii U sports has to be the title.
It just needs to offer something to a core gamer. Wii Sports Resort with online play, leaderboards, some sort of experience/career/tournament mode....show people right off the bat they can offer the simple intuitive interface with depth.
walking fiend
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They didn't say that, common mistake every one made.
Iwata was specefically referring to the current price of Wii in Japan which is 20,000 yen, while Wii launched at 25,000 yen.
why not? by 2011 360 may as well drop to $150. lets say added raw power cost them $75 and controller adds another $75. $300 is a very possible price point. Not to mention that Nintendo won't be bothering with many licensing fees or little nuisances that adds to the price, such as no blu-ray or DVD playback, no LAN socket, etc.
Freezie KO
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They should just have separate SKUs. A blue and white box with Wii U Mini-Sports packed in. And a red and black box with Wii Kill U: Murder Sim+ packed in.
Zoramon089
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specialguy said:
How are there still people saying this? How is it STILL possible that there are people around saying this?! It baffles me
walking fiend
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Zoramon089 said:
you should stopped reading there; 149 360+Kinect. Kinect is free, didn't you know? And Wii U, while not any more powerful than 360, is going to cost $200 because of the touchscreen. You should already know all of this.specialguy said:
walking fiend
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even if this is the case, it is not going to be 349$, it'll be priced at most as a 360+ whatever touch screen controller cost, probably less considering Nintendo is removing every possible feature they can.Des0lar said:
and oh, you have seen with graphics as good as Zelda tech or Japanese garden tech on current consoles?
phosphor112
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Kaijima said:
Oh my, you are the first person I have heard that actually has said that. I've been saying that since the release of M+. It's sad. It's like they released it, just to say they did.
walking fiend
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those two games they showed for Wii U, looked like very good bridge games. good direction to say the least. the standard controller itself looks like moving in that direction by itself as well.
Having Wii U up to par with ps3 or a bit better would be like having the Wii in 2006, a better more efficient repackaged version with a new controller of current technologies (current as in ps3/X360). I do not see why it would be more expensive than the Wii at release. And the Wii was pushed up to 250$ because of retailer demand.
I would be very surprised to see it at more than 250$, or worse 300$ next year.
I would be very surprised to see it at more than 250$, or worse 300$ next year.
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wazoo said:
Why do people keep perpetuating this myth...
After 3DS, the consensus is that Nintendo is the Apple of gaming and will make you pay extra for the privilege of owning a Nintendo-branded product. I once saw someone (not anyone here) say that Nintendo would try to get a $100 profit on the controller if they were to sell it separately. Sadly, the analysts that revealed the cost of making the 3DS has dealt a serious blow to Nintendo's reputation.Sennorin said:
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