Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012

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lednerg said:
The 3DS price was based on perceived consumer demand (which I'm assuming, was based on the E3 2010). Basically, they thought they could get away with it. Given that the Wii U didn't exactly set the world on fire this E3, at least among the press, they could very well end up selling the hardware at or near cost. That wouldn't be unheard of for a Nintendo console, despite what people tend to think.

Side-note: Iwata has gone on record stating that they have learned from the mistakes of the 3DS launch and are actively taking steps with Wii U to avoid a similar situation.

"We also must reflect on the fact that we were not able to launch Nintendo 3DS at a time when a sufficient number of strong software titles were ready. [...] In order to avoid the same thing from happening to the Wii U, we are considering details, such as what software is suitable for the launch, more carefully than ever before."
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You know what would be suitable for launch? Smash Bros. It's a deep enough game to keep people busy for months. You can't do the same thing you did with the 3DS--launching with shallow games like Pilotwings and Steel Diver. People get bored quickly. Smash Bros. would do the job.
 
Plinko said:
You know what would be suitable for launch? Smash Bros. It's a deep enough game to keep people busy for months. You can't do the same thing you did with the 3DS--launching with shallow games like Pilotwings and Steel Diver. People get bored quickly. Smash Bros. would do the job.
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Still, that won't go into production untill Kid Icarus ships so my guess is a summer 2013 release for Smash Bros. Wii U / 3DS at the earliest.
 
[Nintex] said:
Still, that won't go into production untill Kid Icarus ships so my guess is a summer 2013 release for Smash Bros. Wii U / 3DS at the earliest.
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I know, it's disappointing. They just need a game with that depth at launch. Maybe a new traditional Pokemon game? I'm not into them but they seem to keep people busy.
 
Plinko said:
Is there any way cloud storage can be used to run games or is it just for save states? I'm not too familiar with it.
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OnLive is cloud gaming, but that is it's own service. In this case its likely just for hosting Nintendo's downloadable content.
 
Plinko said:
I know, it's disappointing. They just need a game with that depth at launch. Maybe a new traditional Pokemon game? I'm not into them but they seem to keep people busy.
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I think New Super Mario Bros. Mii is a likely launch title, maybe something like an action adventure title using one of their classic IP's from Retro Studios or Pikmin 3. The best way to launch Wii U would be a new IP aimed at the core market given the same treatment as Zelda and Mario but I can't see it happening at launch. Another thing that needs to happen is F-Zero Wii U. I think F-Zero with online gameplay + Mario + Casual things along with the third party games will move some systems. They just can't delay the online or the good games this time around.
 
Always-honest said:
so when can we actually expect some new gameplay and stuff?
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Tokyo Games show, probably. 15th-18th of September, I think.

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Don't expect any final games or anything, though - more announcements, maybe some gameplay footage, details etc.
 
Sorry about the old news, I got lazy and didn't check the date '__'


Ubermatik said:
Tokyo Games show, probably. 15th-18th of September, I think.

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Don't expect any final games or anything, though - more announcements, maybe some gameplay footage, details etc.
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Can't wait
for ANYTHING new on Wii U
 
I thought Nintendo never participated in TGS. Sure, it could be different this year thanks to the Wii U, who knows.
 
[Nintex] said:
I think F-Zero with online gameplay + Mario + Casual things along with the third party games will move some systems. They just can't delay the online or the good games this time around.
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Why do you consider F-Zero with online multiplayer to be a potential system seller? GX sold less than a million, if I remember correctly. It is a system seller only for Nintendo fans who have no problem paying 250 for 3DS and will buy their new systems anyway.
 
miksar said:
Why do you consider F-Zero with online multiplayer to be a potential system seller? GX sold less than a million, if I remember correctly. It is a system seller only for Nintendo fans who have no problem paying 250 for 3DS and will buy their new systems anyway.
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If it is marketed enough, people will buy. Imagine someone seeing F-Zero for the first time, and being told that it's got full 32 person online multiplayer on top of great 1080p graphics.
 
Looks like they had them at least going back to 2005 when that one seemed to be DS only. The one just before the Wii launch in '06 gave accessory pricing and a few game launch details. Looks like the one last year was late Sept. I thought there had been one in Sept. which made me say Sept.-Oct., but I know for sure now.
 
Ubermatik said:
If it is marketed enough, people will buy. Imagine someone seeing F-Zero for the first time, and being told that it's got full 32 person online multiplayer on top of great 1080p graphics.
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Futuristic racing games don't appeal to a demographic wide enough to consider F-Zero a potential system seller. Even if it looks spectacular and you market it right it will still carry limited appeal because of the nature of the sub-genre. Realistic or cartoony racing games are much more preferable for the general public (see GT and MK) and that's why they are better system sellers.
 
[Nintex] said:
I think New Super Mario Bros. Mii is a likely launch title, maybe something like an action adventure title using one of their classic IP's from Retro Studios or Pikmin 3. The best way to launch Wii U would be a new IP aimed at the core market given the same treatment as Zelda and Mario but I can't see it happening at launch. Another thing that needs to happen is F-Zero Wii U. I think F-Zero with online gameplay + Mario + Casual things along with the third party games will move some systems. They just can't delay the online or the good games this time around.
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Wii U Sports and New Super Mario Bros. Mii seem like launch candidates. Pikmin Wii U and Wii Fit U post-launch.

There are 1-2 games that EAD may be deciding on. You have Galactic Fighters, Chase Mii, Wii Zapper Game and the board games (checkers, chess) which may all become Wii Play U or at least one of them become a separate type of game.

Nintendo may need to scout an exclusive Western IP that it can pick up and publish as an exciting new first-party ip as well.
 
Shikamaru Ninja said:
Wii U Sports and New Super Mario Bros. Mii seem like launch candidates. Pikmin Wii U and Wii Fit U post-launch.

There are 1-2 games that EAD may be deciding on. You have Galactic Fighters, Chase Mii, Wii Zapper Game and the board games (checkers, chess) which may all become Wii Play U or at least one of them become a separate type of game.

Nintendo may need to scout an exclusive Western IP that it can pick up and publish as an exciting new first-party ip as well.
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I'll be a little sad if NSMB Mii and Wii U Sports are Nintendo's best launch games...Pikmin please :) .
 
Shikamaru Ninja said:
You have Nintendo's two biggest Wii properties. Sales wise it is no joke!
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Maybe, but you don't launch the first HD Nintendo console only with games that looks like Wii Sport or NSMB. They'll need something that looks good.
 
Shikamaru Ninja said:
You have Nintendo's two biggest Wii properties. Sales wise it is no joke!
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I don't personally care how well those two games sell. I want some proof that Nintendo is trying to please the "core" audience (I hate using those terms). Either let it be something like Pikmin, or bring something to the table from a 3rd party that isn't a 6 month old port.
 
After finding out that 3DS is being sold at a loss now, I'm worried for Nintendo. Wii U will either be sold at a loss to ensure that the price is right, or sold at a large profit to help with the 3DS loss. If both are sold at a loss, Nintendo will quickly slip into Sega's shoes. They need to make sure that Wii U is a hit, or else they'll start losing huge amounts of money and they'll be out of the hardware business in no time.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
In between is impossible?
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Breaking even wouldn't be much better than taking a loss, so they'd likely just go for the loss.

Either way, 3DS is Nintendo's Saturn. I really hope Wii U won't be their Dreamcast. This is the worst business decision Nintendo has ever made, and it confirms that they're falling apart.
 
BurntPork said:
Either way, 3DS is Nintendo's Saturn. I really hope Wii U won't be their Dreamcast. This is the worst business decision Nintendo has ever made, and it confirms that they're falling apart.
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After only being out for months you're ready to call it a Saturn when it hasn't even had a holiday season?
 
UltimaPooh said:
After only being out for months you're ready to call it a Saturn when it hasn't even had a holiday season?
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They're super desperate. Taking a loss at this point means that it flopped in their eyes. Plus, they're headed into the red.
 
BurntPork said:
They're super desperate. Taking a loss at this point means that it flopped in their eyes. Plus, they're headed into the red.
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I disagree of the intent. While I think that the Nintendo 3DS will have a huge drop off in comparison to the Nintendo DS cumulatively. This drop is about Nintendo being aggressive in creating that install base before the big 3 hit this fall. Mario Kart. Super Mario. and Kid Icarus (lesser extent). Are BIG GAMES. The company can not afford to have them release and not have the consumer base to support them with purchasing dollars. Nintendo being aggressive benefits us. Period. Regardless of their overall outcome.
 
Ubermatik said:
If it is marketed enough, people will buy. Imagine someone seeing F-Zero for the first time, and being told that it's got full 32 person online multiplayer on top of great 1080p graphics.
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I really hope Retro's hard at work on this. If we can get a similar Turok-> Prime leap out of the guys who also worked on XG, then F-Zero U would be a spectacular release.


BurntPork said:
After finding out that 3DS is being sold at a loss now, I'm worried for Nintendo. Wii U will either be sold at a loss to ensure that the price is right, or sold at a large profit to help with the 3DS loss. If both are sold at a loss, Nintendo will quickly slip into Sega's shoes. They need to make sure that Wii U is a hit, or else they'll start losing huge amounts of money and they'll be out of the hardware business in no time.
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3DS isn't being sold for a loss per unit, that's a misread of the IR.

Oh, and $249 seems all but assured for Wii U now imo.
 
What do you guys think the chances are of NES VC titles from the 3DS being playable/transferable on Wii U? Nintendo can't actually expect us to buy the games twice if we want them on 3DS and on our home console?
 
Bisnic said:
I thought Nintendo never participated in TGS. Sure, it could be different this year thanks to the Wii U, who knows.
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Nintendo doesn't, but there can still be 3rd party announcements. Nintendo also does their own show at around the same time.
 
Futureman said:
What do you guys think the chances are of NES VC titles from the 3DS being playable/transferable on Wii U?
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Very low.
Nintendo can't actually expect us to buy the games twice if we want them on 3DS and on our home console?
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I bet they will.
Most will only buy and play games on one platform, but a few people will give Nintendo extra money to play on both. That's probably enough to make it worthwhile for them.
It doesn't seem to me like console/handheld connectivity will be a major focus like it is for Sony, so why go to the extra trouble?
 
miksar said:
Futuristic racing games don't appeal to a demographic wide enough to consider F-Zero a potential system seller. Even if it looks spectacular and you market it right it will still carry limited appeal because of the nature of the sub-genre. Realistic or cartoony racing games are much more preferable for the general public (see GT and MK) and that's why they are better system sellers.
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But of course - I agree that the two ends of the spectrum sell better than anything that tries to meet in the middle, hence why games like Forza, DiRT and Mario Kart sell well - but having an adult looking 'hard-core' racing sim available for day one on launch will still lure some people to purchase the system, and it gives promise to customers that more games of a similar nature will come in the future.
 
lunchwithyuzo said:
I really hope Retro's hard at work on this. If we can get a similar Turok-> Prime leap out of the guys who also worked on XG, then F-Zero U would be a spectacular release.



3DS isn't being sold for a loss per unit, that's a misread of the IR.

Oh, and $249 seems all but assured for Wii U now imo.
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http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/07/29/3ds_losses/

Bloomberg Japan reports today that the new 3DS price point means Nintendo will incur a loss on every system sold.
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Bisnic said:
Maybe, but you don't launch the first HD Nintendo console only with games that looks like Wii Sport or NSMB. They'll need something that looks good.
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Hence why I believe a good looking F-Zero/Prime on day one would do wonders, amidst other third party titles, that is. It will help create an image that should help the more 'hard-core' gamers to make a purchase.
 
BurntPork said:
They're super desperate. Taking a loss at this point means that it flopped in their eyes. Plus, they're headed into the red.
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They are adjusting the price based on the market. If it is still selling terrible come this time next year then it is definitely a flop.
 
UltimaPooh said:
They are adjusting the price based on the market. If it is still selling terrible come this time next year then it is definitely a flop.
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You mean by January.

My faith in Nintendo surviving this gen is tiny, though. I'm expecting both Wii U and 3DS to sell around 35 million in the absolute best-case scenario, and less than 10 million in the worst.

Jokeropia said:
The iPhone dropped $100 after 2 months.
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That's totally different, especially since Apple was still making a ton of money off of it and had other sources of income along with superb marketing.
 
BurntPork said:
My faith in Nintendo surviving this gen is tiny, though. I'm expecting both Wii U and 3DS to sell around 35 million in the absolute best-case scenario, and less than 10 million in the worst.
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You are 100% full of insane. And I'm being polite with that statement. What I just quoted is about as nonsensical a comment as ever I've seen on this forum and I've submitted a number of questionable ones myself.
 
BurntPork said:
You mean by January.

My faith in Nintendo surviving this gen is tiny, though. I'm expecting both Wii U and 3DS to sell around 35 million in the absolute best-case scenario, and less than 10 million in the worst.
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Yet you have no evidence to suggest this aside from Nintendo having a substantial price drop on the 3DS.

Also people have been talking about the doom of Nintendo since Nintendo made videogames.
 
Futureman said:
What do you guys think the chances are of NES VC titles from the 3DS being playable/transferable on Wii U? Nintendo can't actually expect us to buy the games twice if we want them on 3DS and on our home console?
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0%. Nintendo expects you to do exactly that.


StevieP said:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/07/29/3ds_losses/
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The Bloomberg article is vague, unconfirmed yet by Nintendo and doesn't state "per unit". It's assumed the "in the red" encompasses more than simply manufacturing and logistsics, but also R&D, marketing and other associated sunk hardware costs.
 
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