IceDoesntHelp
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That's how I feel when I think of Mario in HD. I just don't see a Mario game in HD. I guess better textures, but...I just don't know.-Pyromaniac- said:
Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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Pathetic Basement Virgin
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-Pyromaniac- said:
If I could get every third party game without having to buy another system I'm buying it on WiiU unless the downgrade is really severe. It would be nice to only have to own one system again.
-Pyromaniac-
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yeah I imagine the games looking EXACTLY like now, just sharper. But it can't be like that can it? Well we know Zelda and stuff will be more, but I seriously can't even picture the marios/animal crossings/etc...IceDoesntHelp said:
I feel you.supabrett said:
-Pyromaniac- said:
I actually can't imagine Nintendo games in HD. this is why it makes the wait even more unbearable.
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Zelda HD... shiiiiit, it hurts thinking about it. Sure, graphics aren't everything, but the water in Zora's domain...
The sunsets and glare in Hyrule Field - grass, swishing in the breeze, clouds melting and mixing in the sky... Slime covered Deku Baba's bursting out of the ground... hell, Link's HAIR in that HD demo at E3...
*Sigh*, someone stop me. I get way too carried away with these things. And just for reference...:
Fourth Storm
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What are the latest rumors pointing towards? Is it gonna be a SoC or not? What process? 45nm? 28?
Neoriceisgood
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Ubermatik said:
I know how you feel man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WErToO5KATs#t=10sNeoriceisgood said:
-Pyromaniac-
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it's seriously the only reason I'm even somewhat questioning getting a wii-u. All these 1st party titles will be glorious as hell.Ubermatik said:
SolarPowered
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I'm aware of the fact that we won't get certain secrets if Nintendo doesn't want us to, but stuff like RAM, the CPU and the GPU shouldn't be too hard to investigate once they're being massed produced(February at the latest).
I've conditioned myself to believe that 2GB is crazy Nintendo fan levels of speculation. I've set my expectations low by sticking with 1GB and I'm not budging until some Chinese dude shows us otherwise with real pictures lol.Ubermatik said:
-Pyromaniac-
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all the HD nintendo games. I seriously wouldn't even question it if I didn't know it was gonna be a sight to behold. And I know some would say why not just get 2 consoles, I haaate doing that. I'm a 1 console dude most of the time.Ubermatik said:
crazy monkey
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Ubermatik said:
so so awesome. I would not be able to speak for some time when i play this lol
I'm pretty much with Solar on this, both in my realistic expectations on the console's total RAM count and "would be hyped as hell to see" upper limit. At this point though, I'm really hoping 1.5GB is the happy medium and devs push hard for that 2GB.
Oh my God, I need to go find some Doug to watch now. :lol
AniHawk said:
Oh my God, I need to go find some Doug to watch now. :lol
Pancakes R Us
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Surely the majority of people who'd want to play those games will have already bought/owned a PS360 and have played them? Personally, despite not owning a PS360, I do not want to see these ports at or around launch. I see this being counter productive and actually becoming a reason for people not to own Wii U. Give us fresh, new content!Gamer @ Heart said:
Pancakes R Us said:
Let's not get carried away here. Nintendo getting shafted on multiplatform titles was a major blow for this generation, so taking care of that first is high priority. Once first-party titles drive the hardware is when we can expect some exclusive software, but I don't see it being as prevalent as it was on Wii (unless, of course, you count the mere addition of Wii U Tablet functions as "exclusive" content)...
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not enough to buy it YET, but I'm saying the prospect of 1st party nintendo games in HD is the only reason I'm even considering it.Ubermatik said:
-Pyromaniac-
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For me right now, PS4 is an instant buy, everything else is questionable. But anything could happen between now and 6 months from now, and even beyond that. The scales could tip either way.
Lets build a time machine and find the answers quicker.
Lets build a time machine and find the answers quicker.
AceBandage
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Ubermatik said:
Well, they've shown that they aren't afraid of moneyhatting third parties for games.
The question is more if they will money hat the right games.
-Pyromaniac-
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because unlike Nintendo, I know what I'm getting with Sony. I know I will get a fairly powerful console (possibly very powerful knowing them), I know I will get a stable online system, I know it will likely be free, I know there will be a big hard drive for installations and downloadables, I know that I will be able to use it as my main box for playing bluray movies/games/whatever else, and probably most importantly, I know I will get TONS of exclusives from 1st and 2nd party studios, the likes of which you will never see else where (such as team ico, naughty dog, etc...), most 3rd party games as well will obviously be on it, and the list goes on.Ubermatik said:
There's little to no worries with them. I'd say the same for 720 though I don't like Microsoft's exclusive offerings (or lack thereof) and their kinect future, also don't like paying for online, that's why they aren't on my list. But PS4 seems like an obvious insta-buy eventually.
Nintendo has time to blow me away though, it's up to them. What I want to see from Nintendo is a strong enough console to keep up as close as possible to PS4/720, a stable and robust and free online system that works across all games simply, lots of money hatting of games on their console, and the one that worries me most, Nintendo of America to actually give a shit about customers and bring some games to north america that I want to play. I have no faith in them.
AceBandage said:
Well it's part and parcel I suppose. They need those key franchises now more than ever. Enticing long-time Sony/Mircosoft fans over to a Nintendo console is going to be extremely difficult, but with definitive versions/exclusive iterations of already successful games, they could just do it. E3 2012 really will be an edge of the seat moment. Seeing the lights dim and watching the following games reel will be incredibly exciting for me.
NinjaTehFish
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-Pyromaniac- said:
That's fair enough to be honest with you, completely valid reasons.
After asking this question, I realised how stupid it was - it'd be like asking me why it'll be a day 1 for the WiiU.
One thing I have to say, though, is that I doubt Sony's online will be free. I expect a membership style service next gen. i can feel it.
Shin Johnpv
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-Pyromaniac- said:
I don't think any of that is known though. They went from having the best selling home console ever to 3rd place, and pissed away every red penny they made on the previous 2 generations. Honestly I don't think any thing is KNOWN when it comes to what Sony is going to do. Yeah I guess saying it'll have a BD drive is known. Outside of that though, I mean shit Sony may start charging for PSN after seeing how much money MS is making off it. I really don't think any thing is for sure from MS or Sony right now.
I think nintendo will be fine as long as they don't make the same mistakes they did during the gamecube era. The PS2 won that gen for a variety of reasons, but Nintendo specifically lost because they weren't aggressive with software. They acted as though they could stay afloat on nothing but their core key franchises, and that's just really unlikely.
Honestly, nintendo struck lightening TWICE this gen. Wii Sports and Wii Fit each secured their spot as top hardware. Supplemented by fantastic evergreen titles like mario kart and NSMB:wii, they actually did kinda stand on their own and made it big in the process. But the likelihood of that happening again are so slim. I have faith that they'll be able to make mass market software again in the future, but it just seems so unlikely that they'll be able to introduce such a radical paradigm shift. I think they realize this too. The tablet is a clear compromise between appealing to a broader audience while trying to reignite the flame with core gamers.
If nintendo is really willing to work with and, more importantly, work for third party publishers, they can do really really well. If that means money hats and exclusivity, then that's what needs to be done. Of course they also need to make sure they have a viable platform that isn't missing any core features (no, clicky sticks don't count as a core feature!
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Honestly, nintendo struck lightening TWICE this gen. Wii Sports and Wii Fit each secured their spot as top hardware. Supplemented by fantastic evergreen titles like mario kart and NSMB:wii, they actually did kinda stand on their own and made it big in the process. But the likelihood of that happening again are so slim. I have faith that they'll be able to make mass market software again in the future, but it just seems so unlikely that they'll be able to introduce such a radical paradigm shift. I think they realize this too. The tablet is a clear compromise between appealing to a broader audience while trying to reignite the flame with core gamers.
If nintendo is really willing to work with and, more importantly, work for third party publishers, they can do really really well. If that means money hats and exclusivity, then that's what needs to be done. Of course they also need to make sure they have a viable platform that isn't missing any core features (no, clicky sticks don't count as a core feature!
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yeah but the PS3 isn't less popular than the PS2 because it offers less, it's not as popular because it was horribly mismanaged in the beginning, and Microsoft stormed out of the game guns a blazing for a year. I think everything I listed is beyond save. Nothing I mentioned is NEW. It's just the evolution of the PS3. Totally reasonable expectations.Shin Johnpv said:
meh I think they will stick with PS+ . They might charge for cross game chat or whatever extra features they add, but I think the act of playing online out of the box will be free.Ubermatik said:
Thunder Monkey
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I think you've got a better chance of the WiiU having 4 gigs of RAM than of Sony giving up all that money MS made in subscriptions.-Pyromaniac- said:
Shin Johnpv
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-Pyromaniac- said:
I honestly could see Sony going the route of the Wii where the PS4 is just a PS3.5. I'm not saying they will, but I think right now it's just as likely an outcome as thinking they're going to have a really powerful system. Plus that isn't what the PS2 was about. The PS2 was the weakest of its gen, but it offered the right balance of price and power, with an awesome software library. I don't think following the PS3's we have to be the most powerful system out there is going in the right direction for them. I think the only knowns when it comes to the PS4 is that it'll have a bluray drive, and you know 1st and 2nd party studios will make exclusives on it.
I think the only thing you can really say about next gen right now is to say I'm going to get system Y because of the 1st/2nd party exclusives. Which is definitely valid. Metroid, Zelda and Mario are why I'll buy a Wii-U for sure next gen. Well let's be honest I'll own all 3 again next gen, it's just who I buy at launch and who I end up waiting till it's cheap.
I just think people are jumping the gun on Sony and MS and saying well I know they're gonna do this. We really don't know. MS's next system could be called KineXtBox and ship with no controllers. I think it's way to early to say well I know they're going to do X,Y, and Z.
Thunder Monkey
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They usually end up with us getting a game that destroys the tech demos completely. Will be a long wait for sure. End result should be mighty impressive. Just looking at what they can do with GCN level hardware should prove that.[Nintex] said:
-Pyromaniac-
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it's all about differentiating, sony isn't in the position to start charging....yet.Thunder Monkey said:
I won't say it would be OMG GREAT but 2 gigs of ram definitely isn't disappointing at all.guek said:
Thunder Monkey
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Neither was Microsoft.-Pyromaniac- said:
Nothing on either that should be charged for, didn't stop MS from charging for it anyway.
-Pyromaniac-
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Sure microsoft was, they were the only ones in the market for an entire year. You literally had NO other choice.Thunder Monkey said:
Dreamwriter
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So do you only care about the 2 or 3 top-tier, AAA games that come out every year? Because those are going to be the only games that will have even a slight noticable graphical difference, because it costs tens of millions of dollars to push even current-gen systems graphically.-Pyromaniac- said:
specialguy
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Dreamwriter said:
Just stop with this nonsense.
Yeah, rising dev costs sure prevented PS360 from showing a huge gap to Xbox/PS2/Wii/GC...but wait I know, this time will magically be completely different from every time in the past...
Thunder Monkey
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The issue hasn't been the tech for a generation now, but the amount of money publishers are willing to put into it.specialguy said:
You will get tech advancement yes. I doubt the difference will be that dramatic, and if it is, only a select few developers will show that advancement. CoD, Madden, Gran Turismo are all series that can rely on high enough sales to cover costs. Most devs and publishers can't afford to do the same on the chance the game doesn't catch fire.
Big games this generation saw a huge visual fidelity increase. Small games? The differences were marginal. The differences were what you'd expect on significantly more powerful hardware.
I expect the same next gen. Big titles push the tech sky high, your average game, won't look that much different than they do now.
Dreamwriter
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In the XBox/PS2/Gamecube generation, the systems weren't able to display enough polygons to make 3D modeling the most expensive part of making a game. Those systems were maxxed out by system power for the most part.specialguy said:
The PS3 and XBox 360, however, are different beasts - do you think every PS3 game looks like Uncharted, every XBox 360 game like Gears of War? Even other games from the same publishers? Of course not. It's because those games got over $10 million development budgets that they look so good. If the Wii-U is capable of displaying games at the quality of those games, but at 1080p and 60fps, then that's all it needs, 99% of games made wouldn't look any better at all even if the competition was capable of rendering a modern Pixar movie in realtime.
You know what most of the cost of making a Pixar movie is? Making 3D models and animating them. The more you are willing to push a modern game system, the closer you are to requiring Pixar-level 3D modelling and animation. More power in the end really just means more detail, which takes an artist longer to make.
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not really, honestly my biggest worries are online infrastructure and NoA keeping the games I want most away from me.Dreamwriter said:
Thunder Monkey
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This is definitely my biggest concern.-Pyromaniac- said:
Still don't have Xenoblade.
Black-Wind
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Well, apparently their reason for not being bothered to bring over these JRPGs is because of the Wii's image over here and it's demographic.-Pyromaniac- said:
If the WU is really trying to capture the core gamers/ "Hardcore" or w/e then there shouldn't be anything to worry about...
Just saying. The smart thing to do is to just wait to see what they do before getting the thing.
-Pyromaniac-
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I never buy any excuses as to why a giant company like Nintendo can't bring games over, when smaller companies have no problem doing it. Just do it in limited quantities or something. Atlus has no problem, NIS/Gust/whoever have no problem and their games are beyond niche. It's all about doing it in a smart way and I'm sure if they really wanted to they could figure out a way. Doesn't seem they desire to find away.Black-Wind said:
But the very fact that europe is getting a bunch of the games that should release in NA as well, and NA isn't getting them is borderline insulting by NoA.
ShockingAlberto
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Publishers will probably be able to keep up with rising game development costs, but we're going to end up seeing things like Gears 3 where they take advantage of people with more money than sense.
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