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[Shin Johnpv]

Hey Shin. Is cyberheater the one that caused you to get that tag?

No it was Huelen (is that how it's spelled?) He made like 10 threads in 2 or 3 days and everyone had in the title Ninty, and he just was all over the board with Ninty in like every post. I called him out on it, cause it just is so fucking stupid. 2 hours later I had a tag. So now I get no respect from random posters in these kind of threads.

 

[Azure J]

bgassassin reads One Piece? *brofist* :lol

But you honestly think that sony or ms don't know anything about Wii U's hardware? (and the same about nintendo and the other two machines).

3 cores - 2 threads each core

Yesssssss, very good. Now how about dat RAM? Be as vague as you can be or give us riddles, maybe smoke signals to determine the amount overall.

 

[bgassassin]

guyssss, interesting thing is no one knows the real specs and making it like confirmed.. only few tids and bits are there like based on IBM watson, customized amd chip and lots of ram (by darksider devs). some put rumours from the dev kits (probably 1st gen) with ati4850 etc.. (which u guyz also knows how xbox360 1st gen devkits were.. not as powerful)

but in the end, i believe there will be something interesting cooking.. hardware wars are not win by best or strongest hardware... (look at ps2).. it will be by the games.. but hardware should give enough for the developers to make what they want.. Nintendo is the most experience in making balance hardware.. they will come out with something decent enough.. and this time they are more open with third parties as compare to previous generations..

who will win next battle, i think it will be based on games, marketing and somehow journalism

lherre knows.

But I agree with the rest of your post.

No it was Huelen (is that how it's spelled?) He made like 10 threads in 2 or 3 days and everyone had in the title Ninty, and he just was all over the board with Ninty in like every post. I called him out on it, cause it just is so fucking stupid. 2 hours later I had a tag. So now I get no respect from random posters in these kind of threads.

LOL. Ok. I remembered you briefly explaining how you got it and CH's posts made me think about it.

 

[blu]

If MS reveal their next Xbox at E3 next year and the tech is in the right ballpark in line with expectations then the WiiU is going to look pretty poor in comparison. It's even possible that WiiU and next gen Xbox might launch in the same year (2012) which would be a disaster for Ninty.

We already have an idea how WiiU will look like from the tech demos, and we know what ps720 can hope to look like (current crop of Batman/Battlefield HQ PC levels). Does the Zelda tech demo or the Japanese garden tech demo look 'pretty poor in comparison' to Arkham City HQ on the PC? I don't think so.

 

[cyberheater]

We already have an idea how WiiU will look like from the tech demos, and we know what ps720 can hope to look like (current crop of Batman/Battlefield HQ PC levels). Does the Zelda tech demo or the Japanese garden tech demo look 'pretty poor in comparison' to Arkham City HQ on the PC? I don't think so.

I know what you're saying and for most folks. This current level of graphics on the AAA titles are more then adequate but I can just imagine the media circus when they see the same game being rendered on WiiU hardware compared to next next gen if hardware rumours are true.

 

[bgassassin]

I know what you're saying and for most folks. This current level of graphics on the AAA titles are more then adequate but I can just imagine the media circus when they see the same game being rendered on WiiU hardware compared to next next gen if hardware rumours are true.

Define what you mean by true. There's two variations of those rumors. The real truth and the one conceived from the old underclocked kits.

 

[usmanusb]

i agree with blu and bgassasins..

I think there is a limitation coming in next generation graphics, it may be more clearer, sharper and bit more better but cant get more... frankly i cant see much of the difference while playing dx9 and dx11 games.. yes ofcourse there will b some effects here and there.. but overall its almost the same..and it plays the same

but we need to understand to have games with similar to avatar quality graphics also require budget like avatar will the game developers invest that much... the cost of development will be more higher.. and whatever the game companies will make, they will try to go for broader audience. and I think Nintendo understands it well they being doing this prior to wii.. so whatever we will get can somehow fit almost all the games for all the systems... i think winner will be with the best possible exclusive titles possibly from first and second parties.. with some innovative technology...

 

[Shanadeus]

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[lherre]

I honestly think that xbox next and ps4 will be more powerful than Wii U (a big step over it) but time will tell.

 

[WillyFive]

I honestly think that xbox next and ps4 will be more powerful than Wii U (a big step over it) but time will tell.

I think it depends on what Sony and Microsoft have learned from this generation.

Are they willing to make a console that will cost various hundred dollars more than consumers are willing to pay, and cause them to layoff tons of workers if the sales are less than expected?

 

[StevieP]

I honestly think that xbox next and ps4 will be more powerful than Wii U (a big step over it) but time will tell.

It's a given that systems released 6 months-2 years after the Wii U will be more powerful. But a full generational leap over? Short of $500+ systems from the competition, I doubt it.

 

[jmdajr]

What I want to know is what the WiiU can do outside of playing games. Just having dedicated gaming device isn't going to fly in my opinion. Not into the future.

Now that I hear about Apple TV, Nintendo better bring it with the interface. Heck it's very possible that the next Xbox360 update will be way better than whatever the WiiU is going to have.

Show me the money!

 

[StevieP]

What I want to know is what the WiiU can do outside of playing games. Just having dedicated gaming device isn't going to fly in my opinion. Not into the future.

Now that I hear about Apple TV, Nintendo better bring it with the interface. Heck it's very possible that the next Xbox360 update will be way better than whatever the WiiU is going to have.

Show me the money!

Why? I don't even have Netflix on my Wii. There are 77 other devices under my TV that are better suited for things outside of playing games. I'd rather they make games.

 

[Fourth Storm]

I'm expecting a good amount of disappointment.

I think all the talk from Epic is stating they aren't too happy with the specs they've seen from the other hardware makers and they're trying to do again like what they did for the 360 memory boost. Especially when you have someone from DICE saying they'll look like current PC games.

Of course they will. The first thing that needs gotten out of the way is having all games run in true 1080p.

But what negative comments from Epic are we talking about? I seem to recall them saying some things that sounded pretty positive.

 

[lherre]

And I repeat again, sony for example won't have the handicap to put an expensive blu-ray drive or an expensive cpu (Cell). This parts were the most expensive to manufacture in ps3's lanch. Make a powerful machine in 2013 will be less expensive than ps3 at launch ... so the example of this generation isn't valid to judge the next gen systems.

 

[AzaK]

Hey look, actual info! ; )

Haha I forgot tht lherre actually has first hand info. 3 proc "hyper threaded" doesn't sound bad to me. Unless they are clocked at 4MHz.

I know what you're saying and for most folks. This current level of graphics on the AAA titles are more then adequate but I can just imagine the media circus when they see the same game being rendered on WiiU hardware compared to next next gen if hardware rumours are true.

Wouldn't surprise me if when the Wii U is actually revealed properly with high quality footage that Sony and MS start trying to derail it with their renders of what they will be doing. The sad thing is, gaming press would love this opportunity to slam Nintendo and their "underpowered" machine because they all seem to be still wrapped up in "tech mentality".

 

[jmdajr]

Why? I don't even have Netflix on my Wii. There are 77 other devices under my TV that are better suited for things outside of playing games. I'd rather they make games.

Good luck if that's how they think it's going to play out. But hey I wouldn't be surprised.
That's how they've been until this point, but I think one day it will bit them in the ass.

While people are talking alot about hardware, I think the software interface is going to be way more important. In this front I don't think they can compete. But I say they have to. The price is going to have to be very cheap if it's only good at playing games. At one point I would have thought that was fine, but I don't feel that way anymore.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

What I want to know is what the WiiU can do outside of playing games. Just having dedicated gaming device isn't going to fly in my opinion. Not into the future.

Now that I hear about Apple TV, Nintendo better bring it with the interface. Heck it's very possible that the next Xbox360 update will be way better than whatever the WiiU is going to have.

Show me the money!

This is horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible thought. I hope the folks are Nintendo.MS, and Sony are smarter than that. I just need my video game machine to be able to play video games well. I don't need more bluray/dvd/netflix/hulu/cable/satellitetv/facebook/youtube/web browsing/what the fuck ever boxes. I want a new system that plays video games, lets focus on that first and foremost.

 

[jmdajr]

This is horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible thought. I hope the folks are Nintendo.MS, and Sony are smarter than that. I just need my video game machine to be able to play video games well. I don't need more bluray/dvd/netflix/hulu/cable/satellitetv/facebook/youtube/web browsing/what the fuck ever boxes. I want a new system that plays video games, lets focus on that first and foremost.

Hey the plan was always to get into your living room. This is the next step. I wouldn't worry though, there will still be good games.

But the same shit that is happening with cell phones is gonna happen in the living room. They will continue to add more content/capabilities.

 

[AzaK]

This is horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible thought. I hope the folks are Nintendo.MS, and Sony are smarter than that. I just need my video game machine to be able to play video games well. I don't need more bluray/dvd/netflix/hulu/cable/satellitetv/facebook/youtube/web browsing/what the fuck ever boxes. I want a new system that plays video games, lets focus on that first and foremost.

I agree for the most part. I want it to do games well first and foremost, but that also includes other services around that like a strong community system, single login etc. I don't want a carbon copy of Xbox live or psn, I find those lifeless and boring, but a truly realized Nintendo community/social gaming system could be phenomenal. Thing is, Nintendo just don't seem to care and I think this is where the distinction will be this gen. We will all have mega powerful consoles that play games well, so what's the distinguishing features? Nintendo ride on their franchises which won't be enough to get gamers who aren't Nintendo fans on board.

Especially with a controller like the Wii U I do want it to be able to browse the web, video chat, watch you tube etc, movies etc.

 

[Donnie]

I honestly think that xbox next and ps4 will be more powerful than Wii U (a big step over it) but time will tell.

Could you define "a big step", assuming you know how powerful WiiU is. I mean I know you apparently have some info, but you've never said whether you know the whole picture of what WiiU is.

 

[Donnie]

The more time goes by without any additional information from Nintendo or even hyperbole hints from devs, the more I'm convinced it's going to be a very small spec bump from current next gen consoles. I'm expecting to be completely underwealmed by the tech when this thing gets released.

If my predictions are correct about hardware. It's conceivable that nothing on it will look as good as Uncharted 3 for a good couple of years until the devs learn how to squeeze the most out of it.

I might still get one if the price is right for the console and games as I don't see how Ninty can charge full price for WiiU games considering they will look decidedly last gen when Xbox720 and PS4 comes along.

There's been comments from devs, and it doesn't point to a small jump over current consoles. I think you should post the prediction you mentioned though, for the record

 

[Luckyman]

Expecting anything more than a 360 with richer textures and less framedrops is a nice fantasy..

 

[Shanadeus]

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[StevieP]

Expecting anything more than a 360 with richer textures and less framedrops is a nice fantasy..

My PC is like 60000 times more powerful than the 360, and yet that's exactly what it gives me (richer textures, higher resolutions, less framedrops/tearing). If you're going to drive-by-troll, do it more creatively. It would take *conscious effort* on Nintendo's part for the processing power to be as pitiful as the 360's is in today's climate.

 

[Donnie]

Expecting anything more than a 360 with richer textures and less framedrops is a nice fantasy..

You must have some of the most boring fantasies ever.

 

[Übermatik]

I've decided - Retro are making Metroid.

Expecting anything more than a 360 with richer textures and less framedrops is a nice fantasy..

A nice fantasy for a cynic. It's pretty much already been established that the hardware is much more capable than this.

 

[[Nintex]]

If anything Nintendo should show like a short in-game teaser of what Retro Studios is working on for Wii U or something. Just something, anything that they're producing for the system.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I think it's foolish to think that the Wii-U will only be a small upgrade from this generation, but I think it's equally foolish to not believe that MS and Sony are working as hard as possible (maybe even together) to blackball Nintendo next generation as much as possible when it comes to hardware.

 

[Übermatik]

If anything Nintendo should show like a short in-game teaser of what Retro Studios is working on for Wii U or something. Just something, anything that they're producing for the system.

They need to show something, regardless of what game it comes form, and footage or screenshot, doesn't matter.
There's been NOTHING since E3. And even then, we didn't get anything substantial to represent the machine's power.

Retro's game footage would be a godsend. Anything less would still make me pee. Even just a screen from, I dunno, some Mario experiments.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

You must have some of the most boring fantasies ever.

He's just a hit and run troll. It's best to just ignore his posts.

 

[magash]

The question isn't even about how powerful the games are but rather can the third party developers afford funding expensive games? I think I once read something about Ubisoft's CEO expecting the average cost of developing next gen games to be in the neighborhood of $60 million.

If the retards running both Microsoft's and Sony's gaming divisions even suggest going the bleeding edge route again then gaming as we know it will die. The Industry as it is can not afford another Xbox to Xbo360 leap in graphics and development costs.

 

[[Nintex]]

The question isn't even about how powerful the games are but rather can the third party developers afford funding expensive games? I think I once read something about Ubisoft's CEO expecting the average cost of developing next gen games to be in the neighborhood of $60 million.

If the retards running both Microsoft's and Sony's gaming divisions even suggest going the bleeding edge route again then gaming as we know it will die. The Industry as it is can not afford another Xbox to Xbo360 leap in graphics and development costs.

It's a better strategy than waiting for phones and tablets to catch up with console games. The industry needs to stay ahead of the curve. And despite those budgets, they'll probably add more services to generate more revenue.

 

[TunaLover]

Expecting anything more than a 360 with richer textures and less framedrops is a nice fantasy..

It's not fantasy, it's Nintendo Magic.

 

[StevieP]

It's a better strategy than waiting for phones and tablets to catch up with console games. The industry needs to stay ahead of the curve. And despite those budgets, they'll probably add more services to generate more revenue.

The reason I don't own a 360? I mean outside of the hilariously unreliable launch hardware (the slims are fantastic pieces of kit)... I find the notion of paying for a peer-to-peer matchmaking service offensive to me as a gamer. (DLC also is, for the most part, but that's a separate discussion).

The same games look, play, and run better on my PC. With free online and a cheaper price tag.

So the notion of paying for more "services" is not something that is good for us gamers. Sure, Nintendo's online is generally shit. But I'm not paying for it. And when I want to play Mario Kart Wii online, it's stupidly simple to get in and enjoy a match with your standard internet randoms.

 

[AzaK]

I've decided - Retro are making Metroid.

Great decision, I'm all for it. Now, someone tell Retro.

And when I want to play Mario Kart Wii online, it's stupidly simple to get in and enjoy a match with your standard internet randoms.

Yeah Mario Kart Wii online was pretty sweet. A little limited but real streamlined and simple.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Dual-analog Metroid would be such a tragically hilarious step backward.

 

[StevieP]

Dual-analog Metroid would be such a tragically hilarious step backward.

 

[magash]

The reason I don't own a 360? I mean outside of the hilariously unreliable launch hardware (the slims are fantastic pieces of kit)... I find the notion of paying for a peer-to-peer matchmaking service offensive to me as a gamer. (DLC also is, for the most part, but that's a separate discussion).

The same games look, play, and run better on my PC. With free online and a cheaper price tag.

So the notion of paying for more "services" is not something that is good for us gamers. Sure, Nintendo's online is generally shit. But I'm not paying for it. And when I want to play Mario Kart Wii online, it's stupidly simple to get in and enjoy a match with your standard internet randoms.

The new hotness now a days is the internet as a platform crap. Customers should get ready to start paying premiums for things that should have been free from from the get go. I still can not believe Microsoft got away with charging for peer-to-peer matchmaking.

 

[TunaLover]

Dual-analog Metroid would be such a tragically hilarious step backward.

Other M is played with d-pad, you silly =P

Now being serious, GCN Primes control scheme is around one stick.

 

[Pancakes R Us]

Dual-analog Metroid would be such a tragically hilarious step backward.

Too true. Keep dual analogue out of my Metroid please, thanks.

 

[Rolf NB]

Dual-analog Metroid would be such a tragically hilarious step backward.

They could make it so that you lose health every time you touch the right stick.

 

[[Nintex]]

The reason I don't own a 360? I mean outside of the hilariously unreliable launch hardware (the slims are fantastic pieces of kit)... I find the notion of paying for a peer-to-peer matchmaking service offensive to me as a gamer. (DLC also is, for the most part, but that's a separate discussion).

The same games look, play, and run better on my PC. With free online and a cheaper price tag.

So the notion of paying for more "services" is not something that is good for us gamers. Sure, Nintendo's online is generally shit. But I'm not paying for it. And when I want to play Mario Kart Wii online, it's stupidly simple to get in and enjoy a match with your standard internet randoms.

You can't sell $40 games if the consumer thinks they're equal to $0.99 aps and you can't stop pushing the graphics if that is what your audience expects. Gamers have come to expect that Uncharted 3 looks better than 2, that Halo 4 looks better than Reach. The industry has created their own expectations and they only hire people working on games that score 85 or higher on metacritic. There is no way to change this unless a Wii-like game changer comes along. They've poisoned their own well on all sides, at first by saying: "Games need to look like this and cost $50 million to produce" and trying to beat each other in the dick waving tech war and by introducing $0.99 apps that are sometimes as good if not better as some $50 games.

Nintendo especially with their online services didn't create such expectations so when you can play Mario Kart online with 8 players it's like: "Holy shit it has online!". Nintendo is now joining the race so to speak, saying: "The Zelda Wii U demo can't be done on any other system!".

 

[Shin Johnpv]

Dual-analog Metroid would be such a tragically hilarious step backward.

The Wii-U tablet, seems to have some pointer like funtions. Maybe there's some combination moving the Wii-U tablet like the Wiimote, and using the one analog nub to move forward/backward. Maybe they'll do the right thing and include a Wiimote + nunchuck in the box so devs can do 1st person games with the pointer controls.

 

[daakusedo]

I don't really want a retro metroid again or at least a first person metroid. I'm not crazy with the absolute need of new ip, but we still don't know what they can create by themselves and I'm hoping they are over the mess of all their cancelled projects.

 

[[Nintex]]

I doubt that Retro is working on Metroid, I think it's going to be a sequel to Donkey Kong Country: Returns because that sold much better than Metroid Prime 3 did. Also Nintendo probably wants a platformer for launch so I can see DK hitting early 2012(july or something if Wii U makes that) followed by New Super Mario Bros. Mii holiday 2012. I mean, Nintendo doesn't have time to fuck around at this point.

 

[Shiggy]

Dual-analog Metroid would be such a tragically hilarious step backward.

Everything with dual-analog controls is a step backward.

 

[Übermatik]

Dual-analog Metroid would be such a tragically hilarious step backward.

I refuse to tag quote you.

Anyway, Prime 1&2 had great analog controls, and granted, the Wii's pointer setup was superior in some ways, but it's not like Nintendo could make the old setup work again...

besides, what about this pointer function the Upad has?
Is it like the Wii's pointer, or what? Would Gyro controls work effectively enough, reserving the dual analogs for something else?

 

[blu]

And I repeat again, sony for example won't have the handicap to put an expensive blu-ray drive or an expensive cpu (Cell). This parts were the most expensive to manufacture in ps3's lanch. Make a powerful machine in 2013 will be less expensive than ps3 at launch ... so the example of this generation isn't valid to judge the next gen systems.

The main thing that will differentiate how much more powerful Xbox loop and ps4 will be compared to the WiiU is very simple: it's how much in the red will sony and ms be willing to get this time around. Answer this question for yourself, and you won't need past gen comparisons. Factors like .5-1.5 years of later launching are distant secondary here.

 

[walking fiend]

Is it like the Wii's pointer, or what? Would Gyro controls work effectively enough, reserving the dual analogs for something else?

I believe they would. Sports Resort Archery is surprisingly accurate. For a second that I was writing this, I actually doubter if it really used only motion or it was IR remote, and it uses motion control.


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and I find these debates regarding graphics really pointless.

Wii didn't get 3rd party support, because porting games to it was 'architecturally' really time consuming, the engines weren't scalable for being used on it; this is something which definitely won't be the case with Wii U even if it uses a lower 4000 series.

What will matter, is that how much it'll cost and if it'll get enough exclusives for the first one or two years to differentiate it from PS3 and 360 which may sold at $150 or lower with a very large backup.

I mean, as someone who already owns a Wii, I totally see myself buying a 360 or PS3 if they drop to 150 or lower instead of Wii U, unless it has some killer app.