Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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Britprog said:
Fuck YES.
2 would be fine, 4 would be a dream. Hm, 4 would only be achievable if they upped the hardware/downgraded the controller.
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First bold: More RAM/faster CPU might be possible with later dev kits? Wonder if he means a significant variable or just small alterations.
And yeah, second bold, nooooo. Ah well, 2 still kicks ass.
ALSO< doesn't this mean separate U pads will be sold?
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Lego Universe is canceled, isnt it?
EDIT: Apparently it is called Lego City Stories instead. I thought it was the MMORPG game =)
EDIT: Apparently it is called Lego City Stories instead. I thought it was the MMORPG game =)
bgassassin
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Britprog said:
What I also found interesting is that if that info is recent, they still haven't locked down the final memory amount and clocks. Memory I could see, but I'd have thought the clocks would at least be pretty much set by now. I guess they are on track to have the final kits sometime next year after all.
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bgassassin said:
maybe loss of profit from 3DS shocked them into beefing up WiiU a bit more than we all expected everyone always thinks Nintendo will go barebones and be limited
E3 is such a long ways off
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Britprog said:
YES!
Best decision Nintendo could ever make with their new console. Make it happen and day 0 purchase.
EDIT: Also this:
Develop said:
M.I.S. said:
Them holding back their own content is not the answer either. This is why I hope porting to the system is so easy it could be done with just a handful of people. So that even if the Wii U version sells the least it still makes these companies a profit. If they don't push the system then fine. Leave that up to Nintendo and their close partners. I don't expect 3rd party exclusives, even timed ones. The best we'll be able to get I think will be multiplatforms and that might be enough as long as Nintendo's own content and those they partner with are of the quality expected out of them.
ShockingAlberto and I predicted that if Nintendo is missing the first half of 2012 with the Wii U release those titles(like Batman) are likely to be cancelled. It doesn't make any sense to release the big fall 2011 titles during the 2012 holiday season. It seemed like the rumored fall 2011/spring 2012 was some wishful thinking by third parties as far as the Wii U is concerned.BurntPork said:
bgassassin said:
I think this coupled with them considering whether or not to sell at a loss is a really good sign. They're taking the Wii U's specs incredibly seriously. I think they know the tablet is good (really good), but it's no Wii-mote in terms of breakthroughs and marketability.
With the Wii it was 100% all about the controller. Specs took a back seat. Now they're contemplating specs very very carefully in what seems like an attempt to maximize power within a budget for as much power as absolutely possible.
It sounds like the gamecube to me
Ubisoft just announced Assassins Creed III it's going to be interesting to see if they're still going to release the Assassins Creed Wii U game using ACII/ACIIB assets of if they're going to skip straight to ACIII. Nintendo is probably gunning for the latter since that would finally put them 'on par' with software support. If they're getting another 3rd rate game for a B or C-team it's going to hurt their system right out of the gate.
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Smiles and Cries said:
I felt that by now the only thing that could be changed would be the memory amount. I'm of the belief that whatever the GPU and CPU will be (outside of clock speed) has been determined already. But with the clocks still not being set, that to me reaffirms the clocks will be synced a certain way and they are still trying to find out what the best balance would be for games and to a lesser extent heat. They're probably trying to avoid the last minute change they made with GC.
As for the memory I'm still hoping they go with 1.5GB of main memory.
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Ubermatik said:
Realistically 2 should be enough. Sure you can't have 4 player FPS with your own screen but for team based games (2v2) you only need 2 so this is a good thing
bgassassin
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8GB. Don't sell yourself short.
Could be trying to make sure they're within power range of the other two. Which is what some of us here have been expecting. There's another guy now saying MS will be launching the new Xbox next year.
guek said:I think this coupled with them considering whether or not to sell at a loss is a really good sign. They're taking the Wii U's specs incredibly seriously. I think they know the tablet is good (really good), but it's no Wii-mote in terms of breakthroughs and marketability.
With the Wii it was 100% all about the controller. Specs took a back seat. Now they're contemplating specs very very carefully in what seems like an attempt to maximize power within a budget for as much power as absolutely possible.
It sounds like the gamecube to me
Could be trying to make sure they're within power range of the other two. Which is what some of us here have been expecting. There's another guy now saying MS will be launching the new Xbox next year.
I know. I made the same prediction earlier. I doubt that it was just wishful thinking, though. Nintendo's plans have likely changed. I'm worried about that, however, since some third-parties might decide not to support the console at all next year due to having wasted money on the canceled ports and may take Nintendo's hesitation as a sign that they should hesitate as well. This is why I feel that Nintendo really needs to offer incentives. If they don't, we'll end up with an HD Wii with slightly better support rather than a console standing toe-to-toe with the competition. If Wii U flops due to not getting enough third-party support at launch, chances are that Nintendo won't be able to turn things around like with 3DS. (And even with 3DS, success in the west is still uncertain due to the fact that it will likely lose its holiday momentum by March.)[Nintex] said:
It's Ubisoft. All they ever release on Nintendo systems is D-efforts. IMO, there's no chance in hell that Wii U will get ACIII.[Nintex] said:
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Honestly, while I've never felt that Nintendo needs to match their competion on straight system specs to be successful next gen they absolutely have to get in the same ballpark of total RAM.guek said:
If MS and Sony launch their systems next gen with X CPU, Y GPU and let's say 4GB of RAM while developers probably won't max out either the CPU or GPU you can bet that they're going to use what ever RAM they're given. If the WiiU has a 1/3 less RAM than the other systems the downsize of assets to make ports work would be way more noticable between game comparisons than having a less powerful CPU/GPU under the hood.
M.I.S. said:
Irreconcilable does mean they can't do something about it, but I don't believe they are irreconcilable. I have no idea who Opiate is and what he/she said but this gen has definitely seen a massive number of titles that just do not cross over with Nintendo titles; Skyrim and Mario couldn't be further from each other. Therefore I just can't see how great third party support can't live along side Nintendo titles, especially seeing that a lot of the Wii U audience at first will be hardcore gamers. I bet we'd lap up a new Assassins Creed or Batman as well as picking up a launch Mario or something.
Nintendo have learnt a hard lesson this last year or so, and if that Develop article is to be believed they may really be trying to be competitive. Hopefully same can be said about the software library.
Question. How many people play Madden two player in the same room? Would it be significant enough to have got Peter Moore to push Nintendo to get two tablets working? It could be the definitive version if so.
bgassassin said:
Yeah they just need to try and hit into the same ballpark and all will be fine. As we've talked about before ad-infinitum, the fact that MS and Sony will be finalizing and releasing their consoles a year or more after Nintendo means they will undoubtedly have newer/cooler/faster tech for the same price. Or the same for cheaper.
Anyway, this recent news is all exciting.
If third-parties can get away with lame excuses such as "we don't know what special thing to do with the controller", they'll have a field day with using poor sales as an excuse. EA turned on 3D the second 3DS started to underperform. I have no doubt that they would do the same with Wii U's controller.freddy said:
Luckily, Nintendo seems to understand the mistakes they made with 3DS software-wise, so there should be a major first-party game available at launch.
It'll probably be the most rushed, buggy port we've ever seen. :/ElTopo said:
One year won't matter much since 20nm won't hit until 2014.AzaK said:
third parties aren't going to snub nintendo if they don't get incentives
90% of third party games will be multi-plat for the Wii U, provided it's possible. It's hard to say at the moment since we don't know much about any concrete specs for any future hardware of any kind, but it does seem unlikely that it wont be possible for most games.
90% of third party games will be multi-plat for the Wii U, provided it's possible. It's hard to say at the moment since we don't know much about any concrete specs for any future hardware of any kind, but it does seem unlikely that it wont be possible for most games.
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Colonial Marines was technically never announced.Deguello said:
It was a test-run on the Wii U. Gearbox later backed off and said "No, we're not actually developing that."
We only know of one actual title that fits that description... Batman. But its also not a game that would be greatly affected by being released late. It's a big-brand-licensed game that doesn't get yearly updates; Nintendo and WB are also in a special deal, with WB not having much else to support the system with.[Nintex] said:
Of course some third party devs hates Nintendo. Not only because "it's nintendo", but because Nintendo isn't only a console maker, it's also one the biggest developper and one of the biggest publisher.
Some people would talk about Sony or Microsoft, but hey, Sony games rarely sell more than 4M copies and Microsoft only big selling games are Halo and Gears.
Now, think like a developper: Nintendo had sell lot of game who reached 20 millions copy.
And stupid devs never think about the fact THERE'S NO OF THEIR GAMES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH NINTENDO GAMES. Zelda doesn't eat any of GTA sales !
Nintendo 3DS can't handle Unreal Engine 3 ? DAMN ! Just make a special version for it ! Not all shaders or technologies ! Just look at MT Frameworks, Naked Sample or Nano Assault !
So much lazy devs, so much hates !
Some people would talk about Sony or Microsoft, but hey, Sony games rarely sell more than 4M copies and Microsoft only big selling games are Halo and Gears.
Now, think like a developper: Nintendo had sell lot of game who reached 20 millions copy.
And stupid devs never think about the fact THERE'S NO OF THEIR GAMES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH NINTENDO GAMES. Zelda doesn't eat any of GTA sales !
Nintendo 3DS can't handle Unreal Engine 3 ? DAMN ! Just make a special version for it ! Not all shaders or technologies ! Just look at MT Frameworks, Naked Sample or Nano Assault !
So much lazy devs, so much hates !
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Late ports might work if publishers don't get greedy. A year late port of Arkham City will not sell at 50 or 60 bucks. If it really is going to be easy to port stuff, something like a Arkham Asylum/Arkham City collection for $30 might fly.
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Saint Gregory said:
I still think 3GB is the most they'll see and that's if we're lucky.
AzaK said:
Actually some of us have been saying the opposite on release. I felt that the next Xbox would be out before E3 2013.
ShockingAlberto said:
Where did they say that and how long ago was it? At Europe's GDC they said it was in development and that was in August.
BurntPork said:
I don't pay much attention to die size stuff, but whether the Wii U itself is going to even be 28 is debatable? Are you saying that in 1 year no progress at all would be made in tech? Even if it's not a die shrink, we could see improvements in other areas.
Anyway my general point was that as time goes by things get better so people shouldn't stress that the next box or ps4 is going to be more powerful than Wii U because, well, it's almost inevitable. If not, that's even better for Nintendo.
Here come the ports...
But I think its crap to think they could use Udraw, and in this istance a game for Udraw, as a test market for the entire WiiU platform. Then again, they should know the market is warm to it because they did sell over a million units of their peripheral AFAIR.
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They had no problem getting the big Ubisoft games back when it was feasible. Assassin's Creed is also one that has specifically been announced.BurntPork said:
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lherre said:
Did Nintendo indicate they at least have a target range on memory?
lherre said:
I would bet my dick that the current Wii U kits have 1gb in them, and the final console will have either 1GB or 1.5GB. Which isn't a bad thing, especially depending on the technology used and the general optimization of said technology in relation to the rest of the system.
Though Arkham City has been announced for the WiiU I'd put money on a possible 'Game of the year" edition of Crysis 2 being released in at least the launch window if not day one for the WiiU.
Having a Crytek game, even a year old port, day one for the system would, I believe, send a strong signal to the type of audiences Nintendo will try and get 'this time around'.
I feel that's a very sound bet.
But even so it's probably a little foolhardy to wager your own penis.
Just sayin'.
Having a Crytek game, even a year old port, day one for the system would, I believe, send a strong signal to the type of audiences Nintendo will try and get 'this time around'.
StevieP said:
I feel that's a very sound bet.
But even so it's probably a little foolhardy to wager your own penis.
Just sayin'.
Saint Gregory
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1.5GB would put it a little over the average of onboard memory of current Nvidia/AMD cards. I would imagine that if the U is also going to have any unified OS functions across games it's going to need another 128-256MB set aside for that. Then if we factor a little more to accomodate the tablet(s) streaming and that would probably already set it over 2GB.StevieP said:
They probably won't opt to go that high for RAM but I'm really concerned that if they don't ports will suffer. The PS3 ports are already badly impacted by its lack of unified memory, just imagine how bad it would have been if it had half the RAM of the 360 as originally planned.
The WiiU version most likely will be and always was intended to be AC3 (or whatever they call it). They're using the same vague language for both. The part I bolded is a misinterpretation (the internet is wonderful at that) of what Ubisoft Quebec's Senior Technical Architect has said about the WiiU game. He said that they could, "reuse our assists across platforms..." The idea that those assets would come from the older games was made up. The original source is here (about 51 minutes in)
I thought it was the 360 that got a last minute doubling of RAM because of what the PS3 was supposed to have.Saint Gregory said:
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Saint Gregory said:
I think the main issue with PS3's split pool was how large the OS was (and still is). I also wouldn't expect Nintendo's OS to be that large.
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Different RAMs...Van Owen said:
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