Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
- Thread starter bgassassin
- Start date
- Status
Ok, that was a bit hyperbolic. Two games (Ghost Recon too) which were direct ports in alpha stage don't show good preparation by any means though.
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
Killer Freaks
Looked like a 3DS title *vomits*
Actually, that just made me think of another style I'd like to see - would it be possible to render something approximating the style used in the artwork for Mario Strikers, I wonder?
Okay. That is actually an Xbox 360 port too, although it probably won't be released for it.
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
First I heard that, link.
Look at his Avatar.
You can actually see it in the footage. There's Xbox button icons on the HUD. The game was either made for the 360 originally until they decided to make it for Wii U, or they started making it on a 360 devkit when the Wii U devkits weren't available. We talked about it earlier this thread.
Log4Girlz: lol
You can not expect third parties to jump on next gen before this gen is done. Like the DC had plenty of ps1 uprezed games. If third parties have something exclusive for Wii U, it is not ready to be shown now, and most likely it is based on current gen assets.
3DS has the same problem, with most 3rd parties effort being sub par (and we are six months after launch, not 12 months before). The editors have to upgrade their framework. That is why Naught Dog games only appear 18 months after launch too.
Nintendo shouldn't have shown anything until they had something that could impress.
This is the way I remember too.
The Jungle Beat/Mario Galaxy engine has alot more eye candy too than the Zelda Engine.
m.i.s.
Banned
Are we really going through this again? There was plenty hype for PS3, as there was for 3DS. Hype is not a reliable indicator of market price and market realities.
The balance board catered to a specific subset of people. It's usp is very, very limited.
Furthermore, Wii U's controller is not a tablet controller. It can't do many or most of the things you would expect to do on a tablet device.
Aizu_Itsuko
Member
Why :-(?
If MS owns the IP we could still see a new Killer Instinct (I think it's a mediocre fighting game but whatever).
With horrendous art design.
I was impressed.
Cerebral Assassin
Member
So faithful to the originals,then.
Congratulations, you are one of the chosen few.
Probably placeholder since Ubisoft is using an alpha devkit and didn't know the "final" design or the WiiU devkit supports 360 controllers and used it as a reference, just like the gba devkit
I hardly think it's a 360 port
crazy monkey
Banned
That really makes no sense at all. A Nintendo devkit supporting MS controllers? What? Ubisoft and Nintendo actually have placeholder button icons for the Classic Controller that could be used, anyway. Come on.
Silicon on insulator. It describes the material used to make the chip.
Hero of Legend
Member
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=433236&page=9
The Killer Freaks info came from our super sleuth Shiggy.
The Killer Freaks info came from our super sleuth Shiggy.
What confusion?
Nintendo showed what the controller could do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tVFKosGiKE
Which was clear. The only confusion SOME people had about the controller was whether it was for a new console or the old console. And the confusion was only for a moment, because once they showed their graphic tech demos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shch7LNkVXw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27Lf4uVuE50&feature=related
People understood there was a new console behind the controller.
So, Nintendo revealed a new controller, then a new console.
People tend to expect a new console reveal, then its features.
But again, thats not Nintendo's selling point here. Its the controller.
Just like they did with the Wii.
So no, Nintendo didnt cause confusion. Some get easily confused when their
expectations are not met.
radioheadrule83
Banned
Man, killer freaks looks cool. I hope they try and give it a Critters / Gremlins vibe.
I think it'll more likely be a set of libraries, not a whole engine, but I definitely think they'll do something. Especially in light of some recent hirings, like that out-of-core specialist now at Retro and a few other guys with a background in more scientific stuff, artificial intelligence and such.
Smiles and Cries
Member
did the E3 WiiU presentation show a Saints Row logo?
Listening to Giantbomb talk about the game made me wish I had a 360
Listening to Giantbomb talk about the game made me wish I had a 360
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Yes, Nintendo did cause confusion, as evident by the plenty of people I know who were unsure what, exactly, was going on with the system, confused as to whether it was a legitimately new platform or a peripheral for the Wii. These people are not the kind who go over E3 with a fine tooth comb or intensely follow every piece of news that trickles out.
Nintendo's E3 2011 Wii U reveal was an absolute mess, and I'm struggling to fathom how an argument could be made otherwise.
Let's not forget all the news stories about a new Wii controller.
It would've looked much more interesting, had they sticked closer to the Killer Rabbids idea.
Cerebral Assassin
Member
Most of the articles I saw in the mainstream media(BBC, CNN, etc.) seemed to have no problems understanding it was a new console.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Because they're fed PR announcements that come directly from Nintendo. The actual E3 showing was a confusing mess. I get what they were trying to do, but they did it poorly, focusing far too much on a controller which could have been easily mistaken for a Wii peripheral, and all of the hands-on demos not only looked like Wii games, but in same cases appeared to be modded Wii games (looking at you, Super Mii Mario whatever).
They showed not a single game (no, a rushed demo reel compiled of footage from other platforms doesn't count), and spent not a single moment explaining what the console was about. No details on the UI, online, connectivity, or graphical output beyond a ho-hum garden tech demo. Hell, the name itself, 'Wii U', alone failed to differentiate the system from the Wii.
Yes, for anybody paying attention and 'in the know' it was clearly a new console. But the idea that this was obvious to everybody is absurd. I was asked by several people who were casually paying attention to E3 what the deal with the Wii U was, legitimately confused as to whether or not it was a controller peripheral or revised Wii, or a whole new system entirely. Most of them, when quickly looking for info, found nothing except a bunch of pictures of the controller and the Wii look alike tech demoes.
Nintendo revealed a console, except the console forgot to show up.
I think the worst offender is that the console looks so much like the original Wii.
radioheadrule83
Banned
As sad as it is, I think people would have written it off completely based off a Rabbids connection... even killer ones. It'd be nice if there was some kind of silly cameo though.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
This too is another problem. I mean, it looks sleek and good, but at a quick glance the whole package looks like the Wii.
Nintendo could have very easily prevented confusion by showing at least one next generation game to show off the system, instead of a bunch of Wii ports.
Cerebral Assassin
Member
I think the problem lies with the people who you were speaking to, people who don't know what E3 is should have had no real problem, & obviously people following closely knew before E3 that it was a new console.
As for their actual "unveil" it was more an extended tease, the proper unveil will be next year ( I honestly think Nintendo would have been served better if they had just shown the 3DS games & then at the end of the conference just had a 30sec sizzle reel ending with Zelda Wii U & a quick flash of the tablet).
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
You want a new Hunters?
The fact that games will look better won't stop people from being confused. The problem existed with the 3ds, cause it had the sam design, name and logo than the nds.
It's actually worse with the WiiU, and the name especially. Super Wii, for exemple, would mean it's something above wii. WiiU sounds like it's something FOR the wii...
It's actually worse with the WiiU, and the name especially. Super Wii, for exemple, would mean it's something above wii. WiiU sounds like it's something FOR the wii...
As far as I'm concerned, they are alien rabbids.
I get it, what you wanted was Nintendo to simply state
WiiU's specs. Well thats not going to happen.
So I guess you'll remain confused.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
bgassassin
Member
Nintendo definitely caused the confusion, even though some that were confused should have known better. There are two things Nintendo could have done in their press conference that could have eliminated a lot of problems.
1. At least show the console for about 20-30 seconds for photos. That kills any ideas that the Controller was a Wii add-on.
2. Show game logos in the sizzle reel instead of gameplay. This way people don't go thinking that PS360 games look worse than PS360 games and you still let people know what games to expect down the road. But hindsight is 20/20.
From the small amount of info I got from a discussion many moons ago it sounds like they upgrade their engine each time, sorta like how we have UE, UE2, UE3, and eventually UE4.
1. At least show the console for about 20-30 seconds for photos. That kills any ideas that the Controller was a Wii add-on.
2. Show game logos in the sizzle reel instead of gameplay. This way people don't go thinking that PS360 games look worse than PS360 games and you still let people know what games to expect down the road. But hindsight is 20/20.
From the small amount of info I got from a discussion many moons ago it sounds like they upgrade their engine each time, sorta like how we have UE, UE2, UE3, and eventually UE4.
They should've just shown the tablet, like E3 2005 where all they showed was a prototype remote. If I were to hazard a guess, that was probably their plan all along. Instead, I think all the leaks from Ubisoft forced a bit more out of them...
And that "bit more" was rushed to high heavens. I guess it was the best they could cobble together in a <1 month timeframe.
I remember Hunters basically being Quake Lite (with good proof-in-concept controls for FPS on DS). It wasn't horrific, unless you're talking about the single player.
And that "bit more" was rushed to high heavens. I guess it was the best they could cobble together in a <1 month timeframe.
I remember Hunters basically being Quake Lite (with good proof-in-concept controls for FPS on DS). It wasn't horrific, unless you're talking about the single player.
I wonder if you could squeeze the entire savefile into the supposedly-massive eDRAM and still have space for all the graphical gubbins you want to do?
Perverse, a completely inappropriate misuse of what the eDRAM is for... but actually quite a quick solution for the apparent reason for Skyrim's issues.
You don't need that, or specific games. Just choose your language carefully
'brand new home console'
'amazing HD graphics'
'this revolutionary controller, together with the cutting edge technology in the new Wii U console..'
For example, would have helped emphasise that its not just a peripheral. And lets face it, Nintendo are fond of their peripherals so its not that silly to be confused
Fourth Storm
Member
Yup, I recall someone who was in the know on these boards explaining how the Galaxy engine amazingly goes all the way back to Mario 64. And that, in turn, is the same engine that is in Wind Waker, Twilight Princess , etc. People make the mistake of thinking because something uses toon shading or an abundance of bump mapping that it's a different engine. Nope.
bgassassin
Member
The only showed the console at E3 2005. The Wiimote was TGS 2005. While I never believed the leaks forced them to do it, I also found this dated in March which was before the Cafe leaks.
http://www.slashgear.com/nintendo-wii-2-at-e3-hints-ea-boss-16140276/
Yeah we (me and another guy) had that discussion in this thread and it helped me understand how different assets and engines are.
It's a shame that it'll definitely be a shit game.
- Status