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Wii3: Apocalypse Redux

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effzee

Member
how come we dont have more hands on impressions for the games? so far ive only read some for MP3 and Red Steel. i hope mario is playable.
 
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TheGreatDave

Banned
I don't think you'll be able to get enough content from Wii's servers to fill a 2gb card, let alone an external hard drive. Games will be small, and demos will probably be kept either small or non existant as well.
 
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sonycowboy

Member
I'm a little late to the party.

My thoughts - And only my thoughts

Price: $250

Just as with the PS3, they'll all obviously sell out this holiday, so price is immaterial. Perhaps they'll drop the Wii sports bundle in the spring. As it is now, it helps to maximize the profit. However, from a value standpoint, given that you can get new GC's for $79, you're paying an extra $170 for the Wiimote and slightly improved graphics on top of the new features. From a technology standpoint, it seems too much.

Web Browsing that you pay for?

And in standard def no less? Didn't the Dreamcast mangle this up 7 years ago already? Seems mostly worthless, but will probably give you access to all sorts of Wii specific content.

Launch games

Yawn. Zelda port, Wii sports, Excite truck, and weak 3rd party games

Launch Date

No early launch? Why? I thought for sure we'd see the stealth launch and take advantage of over a month headstart on the PS3 and have tons of units available. They could have sold 3M+ if they launched in early-mid October and had ample supply. The later launch date is puzzling.

Features

The differentiator. Alot of unique features that appear to be targeted to the casual/non gamer. It should be interesting to see over the next year if this works out as well as the DS. As many others do, I'd bet the Japanese audience eats this up big time and get some major franchises.

Games
No major announcements and it looks like they'll wait for TGS to unveil them. It will be very interesting to see the committments and franchises.
 
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PhoenixDark

Banned
US Event comes second:
10:00AM (Thursday) - 4:00PM (Thursday) EDT
7:00AM (Thursday) - 1:00PM (Thursday) PDT
2:00PM (Thursday) - 8:00PM (Thursday) GMT/UTC
3:00PM (Thursday) - 9:00PM (Thursday) BST
11:00PM (Thursday) - 5:00AM (Friday) Japan Time
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So something else is planned for tonight?
 
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Space Kimchi

Member
Really though, it sounds like 512MB will be PLENTY for most users, and if something has some crazy-assed amount of downloadable content like an MMORPG they'll probably throw in a pack-in branded 512/1G/2G SD card especially for that game or something.

But really, 512MB can store a LOT of VC games, and more savegames for your average platform/shoorter/rpg than you could ever use in your life. For most people it will be plenty of room, and even more hardcore users like me will likely just need one 1 or 2GB SD card and be set for life.

Not to mention, if they wanted to make Final Fantasy XI or somehting for it it isn't like the devs couldn't have the game access the USB port and do hard drive compatability themselves.
 
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koam

Member
I'll assume most of these are going to be channels

WiiSports.com
WiiSports.com
WiiKaraoke.com
WiiCooking.com
WiiPower.com
WiiLove.com
WiiVC.com
WiiWorld.com
WiiFamily.com
WiiFun.com
WiiMusic.com
WiiLife.com
WiiConnect24.com
WiiHistory.com
WiiStory.com
Wiiareone.com
WiiSchool.com
WiiNews.com
WiiMagazine.com
WiiPuzzle.com
WiiChannel.com
WiiExecxutive.com
WiiGeneration.com
WiiActive24.com
WiiAnimation.com
WiiChallenger.com
WiiGetTogether.com
WiiManagement.com
WiiBreeding.com
WiiCountry.com
WiiLanguages.com
WiiScenario.com
WiiParents.com
WiiCreator.com
WiiAlive24.com
WiiJourney.com
WiiStudent.com
WiiVenture.com
WiiFitness.com
WiiPuzzle.com
WiiScience.com
WiiBeauty.com
ShallWii.com
WiiGirls.com
WiiBoys.com
WiiEarth.com
WiiMoney.com
WiiEarth.com
WiiFitness.com
 
A

Amir0x

Banned
sp0rsk said:
Can you copy and paste for those of us at work?
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...

NEW YORK--We'll admit it: We weren't too stoked initially when we heard that Twilight Princess, the long-awaited Zelda sequel, would be receiving a control overhaul to make it take greater advantage of the motion-sensing Wii controller. Swing the remote to swing your sword? Well, that just sounded like work. Sometimes you just want to mash on a button, right?

It turns out that the new controls aren't so bad after all. In fact, we found them to work quite well when we tried a new demo of the game at Nintendo's press event today. (The demo contained exactly the same levels we played back at E3, just with the new controls added). You don't have to make large, sweeping movements to make Link attack with his sword. To the contrary, the game will easily register a simple flick of the wrist and make Link swing accordingly, and if you've got your sword sheathed, moving the controller in this fashion will simply draw the sword, if no enemies are directly in front of you. So you'll be able to shake or wiggle the controller back and forth rapidly to attack, rather than having to swing your arm in a big arc. We could even pull off a couple of different sword combos by playing like this.

Even better was the fishing minigame, which was also available back at E3. But this time, the controls were even more like the actual sport, and we had perhaps too much fun casting our line in realistic fashion and lazily reeling it back in by making a reeling motion with the nunchaku. We were also able to flick our rod (read: remote) back and forth subtly or grossly to create the corresponding lure movement, and we had to flick the rod back sharply to hook the fish once we had a bite. Gee, just like real fishing!

The short version is, if you were planning on picking up Twilight Princess along with your shiny new Wii but were worried about the new controls, stop worrying. We think they'll be perfectly manageable based on what we played today, and frankly, we kind of want that fishing minigame broken out into a full-fledged Wii game in its own right. An afternoon in our boat (er, on our couch) with a six-pack and our trusty rod and reel sounds like good fun to us. How about it, Nintendo?
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There you go.

sonycowboy said:
Web Browsing that you pay for?

And in standard def no less? Didn't the Dreamcast mangle this up 7 years ago already? Seems mostly worthless, but will probably give you access to all sorts of Wii specific content.
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The web browser will be free for download until July 2007 just so you know.
 
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GitarooMan

Member
sonycowboy said:
Launch games

Yawn. Zelda port, Wii sports, Excite truck, and weak 3rd party games
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Yeah, this is my biggest disappointment so far, I'll get all the first party stuff, but the 3rd party stuff is very meh and I'm not sure I'd get any one of them.
 
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koam

Member
I know this has probably been answered but what do they mean by opera is free until june? If I get a wii now, will I be able to download it for free now and then in june, i have to pay if i want to continue using it? Or, if I get it now, i have until june to download it otherwise i'll pay for it?
 
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GoldenEye 007

Member
TheGreatDave said:
I want a few third party games - Red Steal and Rayman remain interesting, Trauma Center is getting good reactions and so is Madden.
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That's pretty much where I'm at with the 3rd parties. I'll probably cut out Trauma Center only because I think I want to stick with 4 games max at launch. Trauma Center can be picked up later, methinks...
 
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sprsk

force push the doodoo rock
koam said:
I know this has probably been answered but what do they mean by opera is free until june? If I get a wii now, will I be able to download it for free now and then in june, i have to pay if i want to continue using it? Or, if I get it now, i have until june to download it otherwise i'll pay for it?
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No, for the early adopters they are letting people have it for free, its not a subscription service so you wont suddenly get charged for it.
 
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effzee

Member
GitarooMan said:
Yeah, this is my biggest disappointment so far, I'll get all the first party stuff, but the 3rd party stuff is very meh and I'm not sure I'd get any one of them.
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i dont get why zelda being a launch game isnt just amazing for everyone. i mean the gamecube launch had what in comparison? super smash bros? i love ssb2 but no way does that compare with a ZELDA game...and THE Zelda game we have been waiting for. yes its a port but it doesnt loose anything considering the jump from gamecube to wii isnt polygons and graphics but the controls so in essence it gains...esp if they make the controls work and make it better than it could have been with gamecube.

besides zelda, im interested in madden, red steel, and rayman. yeah it isnt the most amazing 3rd party list but there is still a lot being offered and come next yr at this time we will see some major 3rd party games once the system is established. and lets see when capcom can pump out that RE game for wii. cant wait to see the trailer.
 
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Amir0x

Banned
koam said:
So what's the verdict on Zelda now? Are you still getting the cube version? If you are not, what are you picking up for launch?
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Yup, definitely Zelda gamecube for me. The new changes to Wii Zelda sound terrible, not for me at all.

As for what I will get at launch... IF i keep my Wii pre-order (still debating now that Metroid Prime III is delayed), i don't know. It's truly one of the worst launches I've seen, but i may pick up Red Steel if it gets 8.0+ scores
 
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fly high ~ayunite~

Member
Amir0x said:
Yup, definitely Zelda gamecube for me. The new changes to Wii Zelda sound terrible, not for me at all.

As for what I will get at launch... IF i keep my Wii pre-order (still debating now that Metroid Prime III is delayed), i don't know. It's truly one of the worst launches I've seen, but i may pick up Red Steel if it gets 8.0+ scores
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What about the N64 launch?
 
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mysticstylez

Banned
THIRD-PARTY US WII TITLES

- Call of Duty 3 - 360/PS3 verison will be better
- Marvel: Ultimate Alliance - Same As Above
- Rapala Tournament Fishing - Anyone really care
- Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam - Sounds like a good game
- World Series of Poker - Anyone really care
- Trauma Center: Second Opinion - Definitely a buyable game
- Madden NFL 07 - Better versions already out
- Need for Speed: Carbon - 360/PS3 versions will be better.
- Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz - Potential must buy
- Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII - wasn't that great on 360
- Far Cry: Vengeance - Do we really need another Far Cry spinoff ??
- GT Pro Series - ???
- Monster 4x4: World Circuit - ???
- Open Season - Movie game drivel
- Rayman Raving Rabbids - Potential must buy
- Red Steel - Potential must buy
- Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent - Nintendo verisions of SC have always got the shaft.





Outside of Zelda, and Excite Truck, there isn't much else here to go crazy about at launch.
 
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koam

Member
Amir0x said:
Yup, definitely Zelda gamecube for me. The new changes to Wii Zelda sound terrible, not for me at all.

As for what I will get at launch... IF i keep my Wii pre-order (still debating now that Metroid Prime III is delayed), i don't know. It's truly one of the worst launches I've seen, but i may pick up Red Steel if it gets 8.0+ scores
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Yeah the higher than expected price and lack of metroid dissappointed me. I'm not sure if I'm getting it at launch anymore but I also don't feel like buying Zelda on GC and then again on Wii. The thing that I like about the Wii is that Wifi is built in. For me, that's a huge advantage and saves me about $130 canadian since I can't do a wired connection here (going by the PS3 and X360 price for wifi). I also wanted to buy one game for the wii that truly shows what the controller can do and Wiisports is it so that kinda makes up for the price a bit.

The only third party games i'm interested in at this point are Far Cry and Red Steel (ratings pending). Oh and Trauma Center 2.

On the bright side, Canadians are paying the same price for the Wii as we did for the Gamecube thanks to the strong canadian dollar.
 
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zooL

Member
It distracted me that the pointing with the Wii-Remote seemed very "shaky" due to the fact that you cant hold your hand perfectly still. I don't know how you could prevent that (perhaps some kind of filter that recognizes shaking or something), but it appears that accurate pointing is a pain in the butt.

It could be much, much easier while sitting down and resting your elbow on something though.
 
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Beezy

Member
effzee said:
i dont get why zelda being a launch game isnt just amazing for everyone. i mean the gamecube launch had what in comparison? super smash bros? i love ssb2 but no way does that compare with a ZELDA game...and THE Zelda game we have been waiting for. yes its a port but it doesnt loose anything considering the jump from gamecube to wii isnt polygons and graphics but the controls so in essence it gains...esp if they make the controls work and make it better than it could have been with gamecube.
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SSB:M wasn't even a launch game. Gamecube's launch was weak.
 
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jetsetmario

Member
Personally, I think the Wii is lined up for a pretty epic launch. Zelda, Red Steel, Rayman, Trauma Center, Monkey Ball, and a few other maybes. Name me a better launch. Oh that's right I had Kileak on Psone.......
 
tanasten

tanasten

glad to heard people isn't stupid anymore
mysticstylez said:
THIRD-PARTY US WII TITLES
- Trauma Center: Second Opinion - Definitely a buyable game
- Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz - Potential must buy
- Far Cry: Vengeance - Do we really need another Far Cry spinoff ??
- Rayman Raving Rabbids - Potential must buy
- Red Steel - Potential must buy
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Those five should be good to great games. Let's hope they end being as we want.

Edit: Well, I must say that Monkey Ball should be a must. I own the GCN versions and they are crazy fun on single and multi. Just +1 sales on banana Blitz for me.
 
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Krowley

Member
UltimaPooh said:
Didn't the Playstation have a horrible launch as well?
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I don't see how any launch that includes zelda could be considered horrible, even if you think of zelda as a ported GC game, it still looks like it will be one of the best games of all time. The 360 had nothing comparable at launch and neither did the GC...

then you have some potentially great games like red steel, Rayman and Trauma center coming from 3rd party's. The far cry game even has a good chance to be awesome. Same with splinter cell.

Sounds like a solid launch to me... Zelda alone makes it solid. Mp3 being delayed sucks though.
 
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Saoh

Member
Amir0x said:
It's truly one of the worst launches I've seen
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:lol No. just because you, for some strange reason, refuse to get Zelda for Wii doesnt mean that some of us are actually looking forward to Zelda on wii, red steel, excite truck, trauma center and others.
 
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GitarooMan

Member
jetsetmario said:
Personally, I think the Wii is lined up for a pretty epic launch. Zelda, Red Steel, Rayman, Trauma Center, Monkey Ball, and a few other maybes. Name me a better launch. Oh that's right I had Kileak on Psone.......
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It's all personal taste but for me at least the depth of 360 with CoD2, Kameo, PDZ, RR6, PGR3, Condemned, NFS, NBA 2K6 and the DC with Hydro Thunder, Sonic, Soul Calibur, Tokyo Extreme Racer, Power Stone, NFL 2K seem on the face to be better. Gotta wait and see of course, but like I said it's personal taste anyway so there is no real definitive answer.
 
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alr1ght

bish gets all the credit :)
Didn't Nintendo learn anything from the GC's pricing. When it was $150 plus free game it sold poorly, when they dropped it to $99 it sold great. Although since Wii Sports will probably only be bundled for 6 months, they'll hopefully drop it down to $199.99 then. Just good old raping the early adapters.
 
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effzee

Member
was thier any update on the square enix games for wii? havent heard or seen anything about them since they were announced.
 
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sonycowboy

Member
Amir0x said:
Yup, definitely Zelda gamecube for me. The new changes to Wii Zelda sound terrible, not for me at all.

As for what I will get at launch... IF i keep my Wii pre-order (still debating now that Metroid Prime III is delayed), i don't know. It's truly one of the worst launches I've seen, but i may pick up Red Steel if it gets 8.0+ scores
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I can understand folks being excited about Zelda and maybe even Excite Truck, but we've got folks in here who actually believe it's one of the best launches of all time? :lol

Zelda is a classic, but it's a current gen port and this will be the first console that comes out that essentially looks just like titles that are 6 1/2 years old. Does anyone see a Mario 64, Halo, or Soul Calibur here?

Obviously, I'm not a huge fan, but I can understand the excitement for the system and the opportunities it presents, but the launch lineup is pretty weak, IMO.
 
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alr1ght

bish gets all the credit :)
agreed. i'll see if i can resist Zelda and not get the Wii at launch. Other than it I don't really have any interest, although my Nintendo systems have always been for Nintendo's games.
 
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MasterMFauli

Banned
BAD launch?
Besides great 1st-party-titel like Excite Truck and WiiSports (i wont even bother mentioning the game, that everyone should buy for Wii, as Miyamoto said, the Wii-version is the best one), there´s A LOT of great 3rd-party titles.
Red Steel looks great in the newest trailer, Rayman Ravin Rabbids look like fun pure (the scream of the rabbits, omg, lawl), Super Monkey Ball fits the wiimote perfectly, Far Cry as one great fps, and then Madden for you American boys.
XBox360 had none really awsome launch-game, XBox 1 had Halo, PS2 had nothing, PS3 seems to get nothing special, N64 had Mario64, but nothing great besides, and so on.

Wii has the potential best launch line-up ever of any console in history.
 
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GoldenEye 007

Member
I'll be quite satisfied for launch. I even find myself having to choose between games! Can't wait for this launch as it will be one for ages.
Zelda
ExciteTruck
Madden
Red Steel
Rayman.... Here I come!

psst. Trauma Center. I'll pick you up later, K?
 
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Cheesemeister

Member
Out of my own sheer curiosity, I did some inflation calculations...

1985 NES + Super Mario Bros.: $199.99
2006 dollars: $376.34

1991 Super NES + Super Mario World: $199.99
2006 dollars: $299.25

1996 Nintendo 64 + Super Mario 64: $259.98
2006 dollars: $333.64

2001 GameCube + Luigi's Mansion: $249.98
2006 dollars: $283.57

2006 Wii + Wii Sports: $249.99
2006 Wii + Wii Sports + Zelda: $299.98

Your local tax and currency may vary.
 
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Mallrat83

Banned
mysticstylez said:
THIRD-PARTY US WII TITLES

- Call of Duty 3 - 360/PS3 verison will be better
- Marvel: Ultimate Alliance - Same As Above
- Rapala Tournament Fishing - Anyone really care
- Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam - Sounds like a good game
- World Series of Poker - Anyone really care
- Trauma Center: Second Opinion - Definitely a buyable game
- Madden NFL 07 - Better versions already out
- Need for Speed: Carbon - 360/PS3 versions will be better.
- Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz - Potential must buy
- Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII - wasn't that great on 360
- Far Cry: Vengeance - Do we really need another Far Cry spinoff ??
- GT Pro Series - ???
- Monster 4x4: World Circuit - ???
- Open Season - Movie game drivel
- Rayman Raving Rabbids - Potential must buy
- Red Steel - Potential must buy
- Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent - Nintendo verisions of SC have always got the shaft.





Outside of Zelda, and Excite Truck, there isn't much else here to go crazy about at launch.
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Thank God you pointed all that out for me/us.
 
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GoldenEye 007

Member
Archie said:
psst. It's an Atlus game. Good luck with that.
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I know, I know. Its been racking in my brain for the longest. Get it at launch, or risk waiting and get no copy at a standard price. It'll just have to come down to the wire, really.
 
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platypotamus

Member
GoldenEye 007 said:
I know, I know. Its been racking in my brain for the longest. Get it at launch, or risk waiting and get no copy at a standard price. It'll just have to come down to the wire, really.
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Same thing going on here. I know I want it, but there's other launch titles I want more. But they won't go nowheres. Decisions decisions.
 
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ryutaro's mama

Member
Based solely on your screen name and post history, I'll attempt to translate your post:



sonycowboy said:
I'm a little late to the party.

My thoughts - And only my thoughts

Price: $250

Just as with the PS3, they'll all obviously sell out this holiday, so price is immaterial. Perhaps they'll drop the Wii sports bundle in the spring. As it is now, it helps to maximize the profit. However, from a value standpoint, given that you can get new GC's for $79, you're paying an extra $170 for the Wiimote and slightly improved graphics on top of the new features. From a technology standpoint, it seems too much.

***Translation: $250 for Wii, overpriced.$600 for PS3 unbelievable value.

Web Browsing that you pay for?

And in standard def no less? Didn't the Dreamcast mangle this up 7 years ago already? Seems mostly worthless, but will probably give you access to all sorts of Wii specific content.

***Translation: Sony will give it to you for free.

Launch games

Yawn. Zelda port, Wii sports, Excite truck, and weak 3rd party games

***Translation: Ridge Racer 7, Warhawk, Madden are gonna rock on PS3!

Launch Date

No early launch? Why? I thought for sure we'd see the stealth launch and take advantage of over a month headstart on the PS3 and have tons of units available. They could have sold 3M+ if they launched in early-mid October and had ample supply. The later launch date is puzzling.

***Translation: 2 days prior the "real" machine comes out. Wii who?

Features

The differentiator. Alot of unique features that appear to be targeted to the casual/non gamer. It should be interesting to see over the next year if this works out as well as the DS. As many others do, I'd bet the Japanese audience eats this up big time and get some major franchises.

***Translation: We have motion senser technology too, beetches!!

Games
No major announcements and it looks like they'll wait for TGS to unveil them. It will be very interesting to see the committments and franchises.


***Translation: 3 letters and a number:
M
G
S
4
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