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[Banjo-Kazooie]

Has the studio said that? The basic roll of the publish in a lot of games is to pay for development in order to get the ip, it doesn't really signify any developer level involvement I think.

They don't need to say it. Microsoft treats any game they are publishing the same...there are people inside Microsoft who are deeply ingrained with the developer and working with them throughout the whole process. That's why you see Phil refer to games they aren't specifically developing as 1st party games. MS Studios is heavily involved in these projects, they aren't just writing checks.

 

[keit4]

Well, right now the Xbox One has the best fall lineup. Halo 5, Forza 6 and Rise of the Tomb Raider are coming for sure and Ken Lobb teased a couple of unannounced titles. I think they will have a good chance to move a lot of units worldwide if those games are any good.

 

[TheSlySoul]

I think if Halo 5 and Rise of the Tomb Raider turn out really good, it is a possibility.

 

[semiconscious]

Either way, I'm not sure what the first year in the console's life is suppose to prove...

let me refresh your memory :

“History has shown us that the first company to reach 10 million in console sales wins the generation battle. We are uniquely positioned to set a new benchmark for the industry.”

http://news.microsoft.com/2008/05/14/xbox-360-first-gaming-system-to-reach-10-million-in-u-s-console-sales-this-generation/

 

[MaxiLive]

I think for the AAA blockbusters for the western world Xbox One will be king due to the exclusives and price point.

Where as Sony will have a fair few indie type titles such as No Man's Sky (maybe???), The Witness (Maybe???) and similar games. The PS4 itself still may be slightly better for multi platform games for the odd higher re/smoother performance but that gap is shrinking with each title. Maybe some surprise Destiny content that is exclusive to PS4 for a certain amount of time would probably be the biggest catch for Sony.

 

[joecanada]

I wasn't referring to MS there. I was talking about Crystal Dynamics. They already got money from MS via the moneyhat and would probably get more money on top of that based on how the PS4 version of the game does (due to what you said).



I wouldn't say this. Many who own the PS4 like Tomb Raider. As long as they add DLC and/or make it appear to be more than the XB1 version of the game then I think it will get attention from PS4 owners whenever it releases (well, as long as it's within a year of the XB1 version).



Agreed.

edit @ above ^ uhhh you are talking only about holidays 2015 right?


I don't ever buy year old games or older... a game like tomb raider if it released on ps4 a year later I wouldn't even notice... already moving on to bigger and better things by then... for instance uncharted would easily be released by then.

I think bioshock was like this for playstation as well, but I don't remember because I never even noticed it.

So yeah, they will lose money which they need to make up on bonus money.

 

[jryi]

15 months? ::scratches head::

Well, yeah, you're right, longer than that. First Xbox was going to sell more because of Ryse and Dead Rising and Forza 5, then because of Titanfall, then Sunset Overdrive and MCC and Forza Horizon 2. Now Halo 5 and Forza 6 are going to turn the tide.

What exactly is different next holiday season compared to last one? Last year Microsoft pulled out all stops with pricing, bundles and -- some might say -- content. How are they going to top that? Or are next Halo and Forza so much superior to last year's ones that they will sell even more boxes?

Keep in mind: if Sony drops PS4 price to $299, MS is really going to have a fight in their hands, even PS4 has no first party exclusives.

 

[Docflem]

They don't need to say it. Microsoft treats any game they are publishing the same...there are people inside Microsoft who are deeply ingrained with the developer and working with them throughout the whole process. That's why you see Phil refer to games they aren't specifically developing as 1st party games. MS Studios is heavily involved in these projects, they aren't just writing checks.

That's not accurate. Phill doesn't call games they own the IP first party because they do any development on them, it's because his definition of first party ends at just owning the IP. Both companies write checks, and nothing else, all of the time and to think anything else is silly.

 

[Bgamer90]

Well, yeah, you're right, longer than that. First Xbox was going to sell more because of Ryse and Dead Rising and Forza 5, then because of Titanfall, then Sunset Overdrive and MCC and Forza Horizon 2. Now Halo 5 and Forza 6 are going to turn the tide.

I really still don't understand your point. Cross gen ending does indeed help the Xbox One (and PS4) and the system being available for $350 instead of only $500 (the price the system was during the time that many of those games you've mentioned released) also greatly helps.

You are talking about "turning the tide" when I never said anything involving that in my posts to you. I simply said that it's possible for the Xbox One during this upcoming Holiday season in NA to do similar to how in did last year.

What exactly is different next holiday season compared to last one? Last year Microsoft pulled out all stops with pricing, bundles and -- some might say -- content. How are they going to top that? Or are next Halo and Forza so much superior to last year's ones that they will sell even more boxes?

You do realize that last year's Halo was a remake collection and that Halo 5 will be the first true Halo game for current gen right? Forza Motorsport 6 is a simulation racing game and will more than likely have much better graphics than Forza Horizon 2 due to its realistic nature (as well as it more than likely not being an open world game). That should give the game more attention than Forza Horizon 2 got (even if it's the less accessible game). Tomb Raider should get more mainstream attention than Sunset Overdrive got last year since its not a new IP.

All of that combined with fewer cross gen games (as I've stated previously) + possibly another price drop would definitely make the Xbox One a more enticing system this year than it was last year for some people.

Keep in mind: if Sony drops PS4 price to $299, MS is really going to have a fight in their hands, even PS4 has no first party exclusives.

I agree but we don't know if that's what Sony will drop to yet. We still don't know many things about what MS and Sony will do later this year.

 

[Bgamer90]

edit @ above ^ uhhh you are talking only about holidays 2015 right?

I don't ever buy year old games or older... a game like tomb raider if it released on ps4 a year later I wouldn't even notice... already moving on to bigger and better things by then... for instance uncharted would easily be released by then.

I definitely don't think that Tomb Raider will release on the PS4 more than a year after the Xbox One version. Think it will be less than a year.

 

[Harmen]

I think the One may get some additional sales compared to the PS4 due to Halo and TR. Sony can definitely counter this though, as I am not convinced exclusives are the biggest factor for holiday sales.

If I were Sony, I would drop the price of the PS4, (heavily) market the biggest third party game(s) (exclusive marketing) and maybe aim for a big Bloodborne DLC, big Driveclub update (including an expanded PS+ version, maybe some kind of relaunch for the service-like approach?) and one or two HD classics to keep the core/installbase happy. And a convincing UC4 demo/mp beta just prior to the holidays to show future promise might help, too.

 

[Circinus]

I think for the AAA blockbusters for the western world Xbox One will be king due to the exclusives and price point.

Where as Sony will have a fair few indie type titles such as No Man's Sky (maybe???), The Witness (Maybe???) and similar games. The PS4 itself still may be slightly better for multi platform games for the odd higher re/smoother performance but that gap is shrinking with each title. Maybe some surprise Destiny content that is exclusive to PS4 for a certain amount of time would probably be the biggest catch for Sony.

This game will be huge. It will probably outsell Forza 6 and Quantum Break.

Especially if the film is going to become a huge success, then the game is easily going to sell 5 million copies.

 

[DigiMish]

This game will be huge. It will probably outsell Forza 6 and Quantum Break.

Especially if the film is going to become a huge success, then the game is easily going to sell 5 million copies.

Lol what? Forza sales wise is completely in another league. The movie won't change anything.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

It's probably their best chance to get their sales up. With Uncharted 4 and Wii U Zelda getting delayed, MS can clearly have the best line up this holiday system if Halo 5, Tomb Raider and Forza 6 all make it out on time and are well received. I don't see them having any chance of catching up to Sony--especially worldwide, but not even in the US. But its their best chance to catch up some and build a respectable 2nd place base.

 

[Circinus]

Lol what? Forza sales wise is completely in another league. The movie won't change anything.

Ratchet & Clank franchise total sales: ~27 million
Forza Motorsport franchise total sales: ~10 million (last reported number as of February 2013)

The CGI animated feature film with worldwide theatrical distribution could be a prime opportunity for the Ratchet & Clank universe to reach a wider audience and therefore expand the presence and the publicity of the Ratchet & Clank name as a whole.

Most CGI animated movies are pretty popular nowadays (even very poorly received movies like 'The Nut Job' and 'Free Birds' grossed over $100M at the box office). Most of them get a decent gross (but not all of them are profitable due to high production cost, this goes for some of DreamWork Animation's animation films). Though the Ratchet & Clank will reportedly only have a $20M production budget going by the producer's words about the budget. So it could easily be profitable with a ~$60+M gross)

 

[Circinus]

Ratchet & Clank franchise total sales: ~27 million
Forza Motorsport franchise total sales: ~10 million (last reported number as of February 2013)

The CGI animated feature film with worldwide theatrical distribution could be a prime opportunity for the Ratchet & Clank universe to reach a wider audience and therefore expand the presence and the publicity of the Ratchet & Clank name as a whole.

Most CGI animated movies are pretty popular nowadays (even very poorly received movies like 'The Nut Job' and 'Free Birds' grossed over $100M at the box office). Most of them get a decent gross (but not all of them are profitable due to high production cost, this goes for some of DreamWork Animation's animation films). Though the Ratchet & Clank will reportedly only have a $20M production budget going by the producer's words about the budget. So it could easily be profitable with a ~$60+M gross)

And if you're asking where I'm pulling these numbers from:

http://variety.com/2014/film/festiv...transform-market-for-kiddie-films-1201299735/

Foxhoven secured the film rights to “Ratchet & Clank,” which has sold more than 27 million units worldwide since 2002, and approached Canada’s Rainmaker Studios to take care of the 3D CGI animation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forza_Motorsport_(series)

As of February 2013, the Forza games have sold over 10 million copies[2] since the release of Forza Motorsport in May 2005.

A banned chartz site roughly estimates Forza sales at 20 million. So it's unlikely that it's higher than Ratchet & Clank.

 

[Dragonborn]

Lol what? Forza sales wise is completely in another league. The movie won't change anything.

They really aren't though, are they? Horizon 2 bombed with like 120k in its first month

Where in the world do you get that Forza is a bigger series? It's actually pretty smallish

 

[Somnia]

They really aren't though, are they? Horizon 2 bombed with like 120k in its first month

Where in the world do you get that Forza is a bigger series? It's actually pretty smallish

Forza typically has long legs and does really well overseas. Last I remember was it having over a million on the leaderboards, I could be wrong since I can't check here at work though.

 

[Sydle]

Ratchet & Clank franchise total sales: ~27 million
Forza Motorsport franchise total sales: ~10 million (last reported number as of February 2013)

The CGI animated feature film with worldwide theatrical distribution could be a prime opportunity for the Ratchet & Clank universe to reach a wider audience and therefore expand the presence and the publicity of the Ratchet & Clank name as a whole.

Most CGI animated movies are pretty popular nowadays (even very poorly received movies like 'The Nut Job' and 'Free Birds' grossed over $100M at the box office). Most of them get a decent gross (but not all of them are profitable due to high production cost, this goes for some of DreamWork Animation's animation films). Though the Ratchet & Clank will reportedly only have a $20M production budget going by the producer's words about the budget. So it could easily be profitable with a ~$60+M gross)

Ratchet & Clank has twice the amount of games. I think ACIT and TOD both sold in the neighborhood of 2-3 million. I think the mainline Forza games do at least that much in their lifetime.

 

[Somnia]

Ratchet & Clank has twice the amount of games. I think ACIT and TOD both sold in the neighborhood of 2-3 million. I think the mainline Forza games do at least that much in their lifetime.

Forza 3 and 4 were both over 4 million, Forza 5 is at around 2 million I believe. No idea on the rest, but I believe horizon 1 and 2 are both over a million also.

 

[John Bender]

Lol what? Forza sales wise is completely in another league. The movie won't change anything.

More like Rachet is in a completely other (higher) league.
(But I want more Jak -_- )

 

[truth411]

I think for the AAA blockbusters for the western world Xbox One will be king due to the exclusives and price point.

Where as Sony will have a fair few indie type titles such as No Man's Sky (maybe???), The Witness (Maybe???) and similar games. The PS4 itself still may be slightly better for multi platform games for the odd higher re/smoother performance but that gap is shrinking with each title. Maybe some surprise Destiny content that is exclusive to PS4 for a certain amount of time would probably be the biggest catch for Sony.

If your only count AAA games during the months of November and December sure, but if you Count AAA games for the WHOLE year then No, it goes to Sony.

 

[Dragonborn]

If your only count AAA games during the months of November and December sure, but if you Count AAA games for the WHOLE year then No, it goes to Sony.

November and December are literally all that counts, and only in North America.

Anything outside of that does not exist/count for reasons

 

[Bgamer90]

If your only count AAA games during the months of November and December sure, but if you Count AAA games for the WHOLE year then No, it goes to Sony.

November and December are literally all that counts, and only in North America.

Anything outside of that does not exist/count for reasons

::scratches head::

No major games are releasing in December (nothing big would miss Black Friday), and we already have confirmation that there will be XB1 games coming out this year outside of November so...

 

[yazanov]

::scratches head::

No major games are releasing in December (nothing big would miss Black Friday), and we already have confirmation that there will be XB1 games coming out this year outside of November so...

I think what they were inferring to is that people who buy the consoles during November and December will also look at the exclusive games release prior to those two months such as the Order and Bloodborne, and so forth.

Not just the games released in those months. Back log is important as well.

 

[Harmen]

This game will be huge. It will probably outsell Forza 6 and Quantum Break.

Especially if the film is going to become a huge success, then the game is easily going to sell 5 million copies.

I truly hope so, love the series (and, even moreso, I hope that both the film and the game deliver in terms of quality). This could have major impact on AAA development in general too. A big blockbuster title like this that sets the charts on fire is surely going to shift some of the AAA development to the more colourful animated movie style of settings/graphics (3D platformers?).

And, a bit more OT, maybe MS has an answer in the makings with Rare and the Banjo ip (I surely hope this is the case).



But... reading these comments, I am really surprised Forza is not that big? (emphasis on that). In my mind it was almost as big as Halo for some reason.

 

[L4nnist3r]

This game will be huge. It will probably outsell Forza 6 and Quantum Break.

Especially if the film is going to become a huge success, then the game is easily going to sell 5 million copies.

Sell more than Forza 6? Wishful thinking

 

[StrongBlackVine]

I truly hope so, love the series (and, even moreso, I hope that both the film and the game deliver in terms of quality). This could have major impact on AAA development in general too. A big blockbuster title like this that sets the charts on fire is surely going to shift some of the AAA development to the more colourful animated movie style of settings/graphics (3D platformers?).

And, a bit more OT, maybe MS has an answer in the makings with Rare and the Banjo ip (I surely hope this is the case).



But... reading these comments, I am really surprised Forza is not that big? (emphasis on that). In my mind it was almost as big as Halo for some reason.

Forza has been elevated to a false status on here for some reason. It's not Gran Turismo(or even half of it) sales wise.

 

[semiconscious]

Forza has been elevated to a false status on here for some reason. It's not Gran Turismo(or even half of it) sales wise.

i think it's a 'parity' thing ...

 

[Dragonborn]

Sell more than Forza 6? Wishful thinking

What's Forza going do? 1.5 to 2.5 million. If marketed right and assuming it's a quality title, Ratchet can do that or more.

Forza has been elevated to a false status on here for some reason. It's not Gran Turismo(or even half of it) sales wise.

GT5 sold almost as much alone as most of the Forza series combined. (Though bundling does help inflate the series sales I believe)

I don't get where this narrative that Forza is some huge series is coming from. Quality games? Absolutely but sales wise?

 

[The Artisan]

Forza has been elevated to a false status on here for some reason. It's not Gran Turismo(or even half of it) sales wise.

I see what you're saying, but I think gran turismo itself may've lost some of its momentum with gt6.

 

[Dragonborn]

I see what you're saying, but I think gran turismo itself may've lost some of its momentum with gt6.

I'm very much looking forward to seeing how GT7 does. It's possible Sony did some damage to the brand with 6. Then again, the game was solid, it was just incredibly poor launching decisions that kind of stalled it. I feel GT7 will be able to get back to 10 million plus though

 

[The Artisan]

I'm very much looking forward to seeing how GT7 does. It's possible Sony did some damage to the brand with 6. Then again, the game was solid, it was just incredibly poor launching decisions that kind of stalled it. I feel GT7 will be able to get back to 10 million plus though

the game should've been a Ps4 launch title, just like gowascension. also, the reviews for gt6 weren't that far off from gt5. that didn't really affect 5 though because it still sold 10m+, I think.

 

[Dragonborn]

the game should've been a Ps4 launch title, just like gowascension. also, the reviews for gt6 weren't that far off from gt5. that didn't really affect 5 though because it still sold 10m+, I think.

10.66 million as of March 2013. GT5 prologue also sold 5.3 million.

 

[ZAMtendo]

God of Fwour

 

[StrongBlackVine]

I see what you're saying, but I think gran turismo itself may've lost some of its momentum with gt6.

I'm not so sure. Sales for GT6 were definitely lower than normal(but still higher than any racing game released since it other than Mario Kart). I think releasing on PS3 when people were ready to move on the next gen hurt it a lot. GT7 will be a truer gauge the status of the franchise.

 

[The Artisan]

10.66 million as of March 2013. GT5 prologue also sold 5.3 million.

very nice. is it the highest selling Ps3 exclusive?

I'm not so sure. Sales for GT6 were definitely lower than normal(but still higher than any racing game released since it other than Mario Kart). I think releasing on PS3 when people were ready to move on the next gen hurt it a lot. GT7 will be a truer gauge the status of the franchise.

indeed. do we have any sales records for gt6 btw?

 

[Dragonborn]

very nice. is it the highest selling Ps3 exclusive?

indeed. do we have any sales records for gt6 btw?

I believe It is. I don't think we have any official numbers for 6, companies like being open when they're being successful, not so much when mistakes cost then a good amount.

 

[jryi]

I really still don't understand your point.

My point is this: I do not see there being a new competitive advantage for Xbox One in comparison to PS4. If somebody claims that Xbox is going to do significantly better than PS4 the coming holiday season, they should explain what has changed between last year and this year.

Sure, the content portfolios on the two consoles will be marginally different, so it's up to your personal preferences, which one will attract you more. Install bases are close to equal (in the US), so recommendations by friends will benefit both equally. We don't know yet about prices or bundles (not definitely, anyway), but I doubt Microsoft can undercut Sony as aggressively as last year.

So, I'm not sure, what the question here is any more.

Is Xbox One going to do better than it did last holiday season? I don't think so; Microsoft blew all their salvo, and did amazingly good, but will the same tricks work second year in a row?

Is Xbox One going to do better than PS4? It's going to be more difficult this time around. It comes down to pricing and marketing. In a market congested with shooters, you are not going to differentiate with yet another shooter, even if its name is Halo.

Is Xbox One going to close the gap? Hell, no!

 

[Bgamer90]

My point is this: I do not see there being a new competitive advantage for Xbox One in comparison to PS4. If somebody claims that Xbox is going to do significantly better than PS4 the coming holiday season, they should explain what has changed between last year and this year.

And some have done that via mentioning games/exclusives that are truly current gen and/or are not impacted by needing to meet the launch date of the console it's on -- part of what this thread was about ("big games").

So, I'm not sure, what the question here is any more.

Is Xbox One going to do better than it did last holiday season? I don't think so; Microsoft blew all their salvo, and did amazingly good, but will the same tricks work second year in a row?

Said before why it can be possible. Bigger games this year (exclusives and multiplats) -- a decent amount of which will be true current gen experiences (not cross gen and/or remakes), possibly an even lower system price, as well as the fact that consoles that are doing solid in North America usually sell more during their third Holiday season in comparison to their second Holiday season (this was true for the Wii, the Xbox 360, the PS2, the Xbox, and the Gamecube).

Is Xbox One going to do better than PS4? It's going to be more difficult this time around. It comes down to pricing and marketing. In a market congested with shooters, you are not going to differentiate with yet another shooter, even if its name is Halo.

??? -- The shooter genre has many games that sell well. On top of this, if anything the gaming libraries of the XB1 and PS4 still being relatively small in comparison to their predecessors will help give the shooters coming out this year more attention; Especially since (as I said before,) some of these shooters will be making their current gen debut.

Is Xbox One going to close the gap? Hell, no!

Nice to see that you know everything that will happen this gen in North America for these next 3-4 years. Is EA making a new NBA Street this gen? Would really love a new one

 

[Xando]

Nice to see that you know everything that will happen this gen in North America for these next 3-4 years. Is EA making a new NBA Street this gen? Would really love a new one

To be fair, i think it's highly unlikely MS will close the gap. Even in NA. They had to sell the XB1 for basically 250$ (350$ + 2 games) last winter to start outselling sony who basically had nothing new but 3rd party games.
I think Sony price dropping to 349$, maybe even 300$ for the winter is highly likely. Can't see MS going 100$ lower than sony like they did last year. It will be interesting to see who has which marketing deals this winter, Battlefront will be huge with the new movie coming out around the same time.

 

[Bgamer90]

To be fair, i think it's highly unlikely MS will close the gap. Even in NA.

I think it's pretty much impossible for them to do it worldwide but I think they still have a shot in NA (which was what I was referring to).

They had to sell the XB1 for basically 250$ (350$ + 2 games) last winter to start outselling sony who basically had nothing new but 3rd party games.
I think Sony price dropping to 349$, maybe even 300$ for the winter is highly likely. Can't see MS going 100$ lower than sony like they did last year. It will be interesting to see who has which marketing deals this winter, Battlefront will be huge with the new movie coming out around the same time.

I could see NA going either way right now to be honest. Less than a 700K gap during this period in the gen is pretty small for North America. Unless my stats are a bit wrong, here's how it compares to other gaps during previous gens in North America (source: very old articles and NPD stats).

PS1 vs. N64 in late 1997: 2 Million gap

PS2 vs. Xbox in early 2004: 8.6 Million gap

Xbox 360 vs. PS3 in early 2008: 2.2 Million gap

So yeah, less than 700K really isn't that big. MS needs to make some pretty big deals alongside the AAA games coming to the system this year though. All of the exclusives for the PS4 could be cancelled and the system would probably still do very well just from its third party support; Really good spot to be in.

 

[Mendax]

^what would they gain by gaining a lead on the ps4 in just the US..?

(other than a lead lol)

 

[Bgamer90]

^what would they gain by gaining a lead on the ps4 in just the US..?

(other than a lead lol)

Nothing really big outside of PR/advertising that would make the system sound like its doing much better than it really is (in part due to how frequently news is given about NPD stats) and maybe a few deals involving NA-oriented content being a bit easier to pull off.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Nothing really big outside of PR/advertising that would make the system sound like its doing much better than it really is (in part due to how frequently news is given about NPD stats) and maybe a few deals involving NA-oriented content being a bit easier to pull off.

So winning NA by a million or so instead of losing by the same amount will allow what kind of deals? Seems like a pretty insignificant number that would only be good for some PR. Not for publishers/devs any one else who knows the real deal. What games are mostly popular in the NA outside of certain sports games that this would make a difference?

I don't know it just seems pretty meaningless thing to scratch a claw to try win one market while getting blasted every where else. Every one saw this coming a mile a away though when they basically ignored half the world with their design and launch strategy.

 

[jryi]

Said before why it can be possible. Bigger games this year (exclusives and multiplats) -- a decent amount of which will be true current gen experiences (not cross gen and/or remakes), possibly an even lower system price, as well as the fact that consoles that are doing solid in North America usually sell more during their third Holiday season in comparison to their second Holiday season (this was true for the Wii, the Xbox 360, the PS2, the Xbox, and the Gamecube).

Apparently we agree that both Xbox One and PS4 will be in a better position this year, but disagree on the point that this is going to benefit Xbox more. Right?

 

[SensibleSucker]

MS have clearly shown they can win holiday seasons in NA and there's no reason why they can't do it again. There's just as much scope for them to discount next holiday as last, particularly as the units will be getting cheaper to build all the time. That said, Sony are likely to respond this time.

As to WW, that ship has sailed in terms of "winning", but that's not really the point, despite Phil Spencer's public statements. MS shareholders want profit, not non-existent medals for winning a fictitious sales race. If Xbox as a division can generate profit, brilliant. Even if it makes losses directly but contributes to wider MS profitability, that' s also fine.

Nobody cares if Audi sells more cars than BMW. The shareholders of each company will want profits more than sales. If that meant somehow only selling one car that cost £50bn (make from diamonds, virgin scalps and juniper berries), they'd be fine with that.

The games line up this Xmas looks strong enough, though Sony will have some surprises up their sleeve.

This is the year that a much bigger number of 360 owners will finally jump ship and a fixed MCC plus Halo 5 will do a lot to keep them in MS's pocket.

 

[Bgamer90]

So winning NA by a million or so instead of losing by the same amount will allow what kind of deals? Seems like a pretty insignificant number that would only be good for some PR. Not for publishers/devs any one else who knows the real deal.

Simply depends on how much the people making the content cares about NA and/or feels like their content would get the most attention in NA. May possibly make it easier to get deals involving apps or games that pretty much only do well in NA.

I don't know it just seems pretty meaningless thing to scratch a claw to try win one market while getting blasted every where else.

I wouldn't say it's meaningless. I mean, NA is a pretty big territory for video gaming.

Every one saw this coming a mile a away though when they basically ignored half the world with their design and launch strategy.

I saw it coming as soon as it was known that both systems would launch at the same time. PS3 caught up to 360 in worldwide sales even though the latter had a head start and a better perception during the first half of their gen. MS could do everything they can to attract audiences in territories outside of NA/UK but many in those areas simply just don't care about the Xbox brand.

__________

Apparently we agree that both Xbox One and PS4 will be in a better position this year, but disagree on the point that this is going to benefit Xbox more. Right?

I wouldn't say that we fully disagree. I simply think the Xbox One has a possibility/chance at doing similar to how it did last year in NA depending on what else MS has in store while you said it won't happen at all. I would disagree even more with you if I felt that it's guaranteed that MS will do similar (and I don't).

 

[Swass]

I see what you're saying, but I think gran turismo itself may've lost some of its momentum with gt6.

Couldn't the same be said for Forza 6 after Forza 5, with its graphical downgrade and microtransaction nonsense that plagued that release?

 

[Hans.Gruber]

Nobody cares if Audi sells more cars than BMW. The shareholders of each company will want profits more than sales. If that meant somehow only selling one car that cost £50bn (make from diamonds, virgin scalps and juniper berries), they'd be fine with that.

Totally agree with you. Many GAFers concentrate too much on raw numbers, that don't tell you ish without putting them in a context.
I looked up the numbers for you (old but that is irrelevant) S-Klasse vs. 7er vs. A8:

No smart investor would ever base an investment decision on these numbers and buy Mercedes stock because they "move more units". He would ask "how much are they making per car" too. Soooo this holiday season won't define anything.

Logic of many here: BWM and Audi should get out of the luxury car business. Mercedes is outselling them.