Woooo, thanks for the heads-up!
Hopefully I'm allowed to ask this, but can someone share the file name/MD5 for the Swedish 64-bit release? Gonna grab a key for the English release and use it for a Swedish copy.
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Woooo, thanks for the heads-up!
Hopefully I'm allowed to ask this, but can someone share the file name/MD5 for the Swedish 64-bit release? Gonna grab a key for the English release and use it for a Swedish copy.
chickdigger802
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wait... there is still 32bit windows?
But... er... why?
But... er... why?
Robobandit
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because netbooks and older hardware that doesn't support 64bit.
I suspect it will be a while before they kill it on their consumer OS..
LukasTaves
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I think he's talking about the all apps list, everything gets expanded by default.
chickdigger802
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but ... but... hmmmm... Is there a win 8 that can work on netbooks?
Some 'starter edition' equivalent?
Because my computer is over 5 years old and was a pre-built Dell
I upgraded the GPU, RAM, and PSU though.
There are a ton of very capable netbooks with 32-bit processors that run Windows 7 like a charm, and they'll run Windows 8 even better.
Think about it - Win7 runs better than Vista, Win8 runs better than Win7.
Win8 is supposed to support every computer than runs Win7, and Win7 supported almost every computer than ran Vista.
So....you're looking at Vista-era netbooks with 32-bit Atom processsors that are technically supported by Windows 7.
Win 8 will run even better on those netbooks which have win7 now.
great. Now Kotaku is piling on, too: Windows 8 is not good for gamers
Edit: and James Kendrick comes to the startling realization that tablets with notebook components cost as much as notebooks and use as much power as notebooks: Rethinking the viability of the Windows 8 tablet
Edit: and James Kendrick comes to the startling realization that tablets with notebook components cost as much as notebooks and use as much power as notebooks: Rethinking the viability of the Windows 8 tablet
yn-neko hates a cat
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Kotaku operates on so much ignorance that you often begin to wonder if it was architected that way.
To select one of his statements makes it seem like the one's that I didn't select seem ok, I assure you... they're not. That said, I loved this one:
Now the Huffington Post is weighing in, too: Windows 8 Problems? Usability Experts, Tech Pundits Question Microsoft's Upcoming Operating System
Love it!
Diprosalic
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the win8 i can download on dreamspark is the real deal, same as the one i would buy in the store? no RTM?
RTM is the version you would buy in the store.
Diprosalic
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ok so if i download that i won't ever have to upgrade to another version because it stops working in a year or so.
These are the sorts of things I've been meaning when I've said that Windows 8 disregards years of UX research.
Design choices on phones are trade-offs made to ballance screen space and usability or input fidelity and usability. When you dramatically change the screen size and the input method, the ideal user interface also changes as the ballance of those trade-offs shifts.
As far as I can tell, Microsoft prefers to have consistency between the tablet and PC user interface than to optimize usage. Unfortunately, the 'desktop within metro' creates tremendous inconsistency that I don't think they even really achieve that.
In time, people will learn to use it, just as people might learn to use Norman's teapot. But when this reaches the general public, I expect the confusion and annoyance to be greater than for any OS in recent memory.
To rephrase my initial question, does anyone know if a Swedish RTM image (x64) has been released yet on MSDN?
chickdigger802
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what should I do if I can't find my school on their list.
Go ask your school's CS department?
No idea, but if I remember correctly, languages are handled better in Windows 8 than in previous versions and it should be easily possible to download and install a different language from within Windows 8.
For Windows 7, I thought downloadable languages was an Enterprise/Ultimate-only option. How does it work in W8, is it working with the Professional release?
This.
I can imagine myself getting a call from an older relative and having to explain shit like "click in the corner" and "touch the colored square". Bleugh.
RukusProvider
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Nope. Frankly, I don't see a point. Pin your apps to the start screen. If you need something specific, start typing.
I'm failing to see what it is the start menu provided that metro isnt.
A better search system? Less clutter? The ability to stay on your desktop?
At our tiny support forums we have had tiny thread about Windows 8 RTM, where one user posted info from Windows Blog about dates and screenshot attached from the blog.
While I was messing with Google Webmaster tools today I noticed we had one notification - of DMCA complaint and that Microsoft has requested url to be removed from google search.
This was probably due to 4-5 people posting how they dont like Metro... it is so freaking unbelievable that they would go through all the trouble just because on some small forum, in some tiny thread that had 270 views, few negative remarks would trigger a complaint.
So basically MS has staff searching through google to find negative remarks about Metro and see if they can remove them from the search? Since I dont see any other way.
I am assuming copyright is claimed on the pic OP attached that was probably taken from Windows Blog, as actual legal notice is still not available through Google.
This is crazy. As Win-exclusive developers, we have interest in Microsoft succeeding. I still cant believe they would censor some random thread on some tiny tiny forums.
While I was messing with Google Webmaster tools today I noticed we had one notification - of DMCA complaint and that Microsoft has requested url to be removed from google search.
This was probably due to 4-5 people posting how they dont like Metro... it is so freaking unbelievable that they would go through all the trouble just because on some small forum, in some tiny thread that had 270 views, few negative remarks would trigger a complaint.
So basically MS has staff searching through google to find negative remarks about Metro and see if they can remove them from the search? Since I dont see any other way.
I am assuming copyright is claimed on the pic OP attached that was probably taken from Windows Blog, as actual legal notice is still not available through Google.
This is crazy. As Win-exclusive developers, we have interest in Microsoft succeeding. I still cant believe they would censor some random thread on some tiny tiny forums.
WindowsRT will be a massive improvement for any non tech person.... you would spend an hour showing them all the new stuff but once that was done your "calls" would drop off significantly not getting "my computer is slow" or "my browser doesn't work" (because they installed some crapware toolbars), etc. There are a million problems with pc's that are getting fixed by win8 because they flat out won't be possible. Also WindowsRT will also be immune to all current viruses/malware. Everybody that asks me about recommendations for a computer is going to be recommended a SurfaceRT.
Win8 search is much better than any previous version of windows or any other os. It might be a bit harder to use but is far far more powerful.
Less clutter? Desktop is horrible from a clutter perspective (and even worse when you have a bunch of apps open) http://www.jumpstartmypc.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Messy-Desktop.jpg (this kind of thing will not even be possible on win8). This was posted a few pages back here on this very thread which is far more cluttered than metro ever could get.... http://i.imgur.com/b6KWk.jpg (source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41139672&postcount=3916)
And you really should try using metro as you base.... its actually far better than the desktop ever was.
RukusProvider
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How is the search different for you between win 7 and 8? I'm genuinely curious.
yn-neko hates a cat
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I big problem I see with Windows 8 is that people who haven't used Windows 8 imagine it might work. Another problem I see with windows 8 is how people feel that because half of it works so well for tablets, the experience sucks on desktop as though there is some implied efficiency they are missing out on because they are performing the action in metro.
The fear mongering going on in the media is fear of the unknown backed by the fear of change. I constantly have to remind people I talk to that the desktop is there and this start screen replaces the start menu but until they use it, the hate the idea of having to change. If you've already convinced yourself that you don't need to change then you will be unresponsive to any benefits of change. This is why the "forced me to use metro" argument seems to resonate with people because if they believe that they're being forced to use something then they will naturally resist and every benefit you tell them using this will bring is just an excuse to get them to do something they don't want to do.
The fear mongering going on in the media is fear of the unknown backed by the fear of change. I constantly have to remind people I talk to that the desktop is there and this start screen replaces the start menu but until they use it, the hate the idea of having to change. If you've already convinced yourself that you don't need to change then you will be unresponsive to any benefits of change. This is why the "forced me to use metro" argument seems to resonate with people because if they believe that they're being forced to use something then they will naturally resist and every benefit you tell them using this will bring is just an excuse to get them to do something they don't want to do.
All I do on the PC is play games with Steam man, I just want to turn it on and have it do that.
How are programs going to open on startup btw? Are they going to open in background and it will just show the Metro screen or will they only open when I go to desktop?
yn-neko hates a cat
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It's actually pretty cool:
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows8/windows-8-feature-focus-contracts-143134
It's mostly an interface issue. It forces you to cycle between apps, files and another filter I can't remember. And there is no right click menu.
It's just less efficient.
Antiwhippy
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Does the $40 discount apply for users with windows 7 oem?
That depends on use case.
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We have had the RTM from MSDN installed on a few PC's for the last week, enjoying it so far. Had to do an install at work on a Samsung S7 Slate and that has been quite an improvement over the previous Win7 install.
One medium sized elephant in the room - what happens when a user has 100-200 Metro apps installed? That interface is going to be a nightmare with both Metro tiles and Desktop application shortcut tiles being displayed. MS needs a primary tile for some cases that houses sub-tiles/sub Metro interface or the start screen is going to get out of hand very quickly. Something similar to the Games application where the user triggers the primary tile and there is another set of tiles that the user can browse within.
I already have 8 groups on my PC at home -
Activities - Social - News - Media - Games - Resources - Create - Shopping
I really don't want to add many more groups and it would be a real hassle to have say 50 apps pinned under one group. Unpinning them seems counter intuitive to the interface.
One medium sized elephant in the room - what happens when a user has 100-200 Metro apps installed? That interface is going to be a nightmare with both Metro tiles and Desktop application shortcut tiles being displayed. MS needs a primary tile for some cases that houses sub-tiles/sub Metro interface or the start screen is going to get out of hand very quickly. Something similar to the Games application where the user triggers the primary tile and there is another set of tiles that the user can browse within.
I already have 8 groups on my PC at home -
Activities - Social - News - Media - Games - Resources - Create - Shopping
I really don't want to add many more groups and it would be a real hassle to have say 50 apps pinned under one group. Unpinning them seems counter intuitive to the interface.
LukasTaves
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How the search was better? Now it's even faster and by definition less cluttered since it doesn't give results from all categories at once. And it also provides more results at once too.
It actually doesn't force you to cycle because when people are searching for something they are mostly either searching for an application, or a file or a setting, but not at the same time. Why would you want to have the system showing apps and settings and lessening your results when you are looking for a file for instance?
It's faster, it shows you only the type of results you want to search, and it show many more results at once. It's actually way more efficient.
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