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[jagowar]

That's only for Metro apps provided directly from the store AFAIK (ie, apps compatible with Windows RT). The regular desktop apps can create a Metro interface (like IE10 - it's the same program, just with different interfaces for desktop and Metro) that allow them to use their own rendering engine in Metro.

I should have been more clear.... I am talking about metro browsers only. After using IE10 metro I really like it and actually prefer it to the desktop.

They might do it but it seems like a lot of work for chrome/ff to create separate versions of their browsers for desktop and metro and use different engines since winRT will be a consideration.

 

[strata8]

Has anyone noticed that dragging from the top now closes the app completely instead of suspending it? Not a good move IMO.

They might do it but it seems like a lot of work for chrome/ff to create separate versions of their browsers for desktop and metro (I am assuming they will create metro browsers since that will be the big deal of win8 tablets)

They wouldn't really be separate versions. It's just a Metro interface using the backend of the desktop program. A true Metro app would be built entirely in WinRT.

 

[Windu]

Has anyone noticed that dragging from the top now closes the app completely instead of suspending it? Not a good move IMO.

it always did that

 

[iavi]

So the initial dev preview as pretty snappy. I thought the consumer preview for me personally was a step back. The release preview though is step back towards the dev preview snappiness plus some. Just seems much faster and smoother overall compared to my consumer preview install I've been running with over the past few months.

This has been my exact experience. Here's to hoping that they maintain the snappiness in the rtm, rather than losing a bit of it again.

Has anyone noticed that dragging from the top now closes the app completely instead of suspending it? Not a good move IMO.
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I prefer it this way. It's basically the X of the metro interface, while multi-tasking out is the minimize, if we're to look at it in terms of parallels.

 

[saltywalrus]

I should have been more clear.... I am talking about metro browsers only. After using IE10 metro I really like it and actually prefer it to the desktop.

They might do it but it seems like a lot of work for chrome/ff to create separate versions of their browsers for desktop and metro and use different engines since winRT will be a consideration.

There are three ways to build a browser in Windows 8: metro style app, desktop browser or metro style enabled desktop browser.

Mozilla is building Firefox to be metro style enabled desktop browser (metro style but with access to Win32 API). Google hasn't annnounced anything yet for Metro, I don't think.

There probably won't be a Firefox or Chrome for Windows RT.

 

[strata8]

I prefer it this way. It's basically the X of the metro interface, while multi-tasking out is the minimize, if we're to look at it in terms of parallels.

I find it a problem because it basically means the start button is the only way to quickly minimise an app. AFAIK multi-tasking out to the start screen requires 2 (3, if you count swiping back as one) actions, while both the start button and the top gesture only require one.

 

[iavi]

Looking in the music app and seeing ads for Xbox Live makes me think the new service, 'Woodstock,' is going to be tied into Live Gold. Pay the yearly fee, and get the all-you-want streaming across all three screens a la Zune Pass/Spotify.

 

[Troll]

Looking in the music app and seeing ads for Xbox Live makes me think the new service, 'Woodstock,' is going to be tied into Live Gold. Pay the yearly fee, and get the all-you-want streaming across all three screens a la Zune Pass/Spotify.

If they tie the music sub into Xbox live's current subscription...... that would be pretty big.

 

[maeh2k]

Also pretty cheap compared to Zune pass and other existing services. So I don't really see that happening unless they introduce a new XBL Gold tier. Would be great, though.

 

[Troll]

Also pretty cheap compared to Zune pass and other existing services. So I don't really see that happening unless they introduce a new XBL Gold tier. Would be great, though.

I'd buy it. No doubt.

 

[iavi]

If they tie the music sub into Xbox live's current subscription...... that would be pretty big.

It would be.

Also pretty cheap compared to Zune pass and other existing services. So I don't really see that happening unless they introduce a new XBL Gold tier. Would be great, though.

And it's definitely possible without raising the entry point; Imagine they heap the streaming service into the Live Gold Fee, and allow you to use it across the PC, 360, and Phone, but still have ads play in-between every few tracks like Spotify Free. It's a win/win.

This is the add that leads me to believe they're doing it. - bottom right.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Upgraded to the Release Preview and just go into it (I let it install while I went to my GFs and it was ready when I got home).

Uhhhh... new RC version of IE10 is ummm... fast? Like maybe faster than any other browser fast? I have dev chrome and aurora firefox installed as well. IE10 seems faster. I ran sunspider and provided MS didn't optimize just for the benchmark somehow I got sub 300 ms which is nuts with the desktop version and less than 10 ms over 300 on the Metro.

I swear IE 10 didn't feel near this good in the consumer preview. Not sure if it's just the latest updated IE10 from the consumer preview preinstalled here or if it's new or what, but damn.

I'm so shocked I think it might even be new topic worthy.

Yeah this build is much better than the one in the Consumer Preview, it's very very fast.

Looking in the music app and seeing ads for Xbox Live makes me think the new service, 'Woodstock,' is going to be tied into Live Gold. Pay the yearly fee, and get the all-you-want streaming across all three screens a la Zune Pass/Spotify.

That would be absolutely awesome.

I'm sure the new service is tied into Xbox, but to think that we could get a Zune Pass type service with just our existing Live Gold membership would be huge. I'm sure we'll hear Xbox Live and Windows 8 stuff including the future branding at E3 next week.

 

[jagowar]

We will find out in a few days what the new service will be but I am excited to see exactly what they will come up with after years of experience with zune.

I think it will be tied to the gold subscription for free playing only on console (no ads).... but to get the mobile apps you have to pay for whatever they call the new zunepass (similar to how spotify works).

In my ultimate dream scenario it would be a new xbox platinum tier costing $40/month which included gold, music pass and a streaming video pass (movie and tv content in the marketplace).

 

[Troll]

We will find out in a few days what the new service will be but I am excited to see exactly what they will come up with after years of experience with zune.

I think it will be tied to the gold subscription for free playing only on console (no ads).... but to get the mobile apps you have to pay for whatever they call the new zunepass (similar to how spotify works).

In my ultimate dream scenario it would be a new xbox platinum tier costing $40/month which included gold, music pass and a streaming video pass (movie and tv content in the marketplace).

40 a month? That would be them basically doing their own TV service to combat Comcast and them.

 

[clav]

How do I access Metro IE?

Somehow it's only letting me access the desktop version.

 

[Troll]

How do I access Metro IE?

Somehow it's only letting me access the desktop version.

Open the desktop version of IE10. Click on the Tools icon at the top right of the browser and then select Internet options. Click on the Programs tab. You'll see a section called Opening Internet Explorer with an option to choose how you open links. You can change the default to always open the Metro version or always open the desktop version. You can also set the behavior to open Web sites pinned to the Metro Start menu in the desktop edition.


More here.

 

[iavi]

How do I access Metro IE?

Somehow it's only letting me access the desktop version.

Weirdly enough, Metro IE 10 has disappeared for me too.

 

[strata8]

Open the desktop version of IE10. Click on the Tools icon at the top right of the browser and then select Internet options. Click on the Programs tab. You'll see a section called Opening Internet Explorer with an option to choose how you open links. You can change the default to always open the Metro version or always open the desktop version. You can also set the behavior to open Web sites pinned to the Metro Start menu in the desktop edition.


More here.

It's not only pinned websites, it also changes what the IE tile on the start screen launches.

 

[Troll]

It's not only pinned websites, it also changes what the IE tile on the start screen launches.

nice!

 

[clav]

Open the desktop version of IE10. Click on the Tools icon at the top right of the browser and then select Internet options. Click on the Programs tab. You'll see a section called Opening Internet Explorer with an option to choose how you open links. You can change the default to always open the Metro version or always open the desktop version. You can also set the behavior to open Web sites pinned to the Metro Start menu in the desktop edition.


More here.

Thanks!

 

[johnjohnson]

Weirdly enough, Metro IE 10 has disappeared for me too.

You must set IE as the default browser to have access to the Metro IE. If you change the default to Chrome or Firefox the Metro IE will disappear.

 

[Troll]

You must set IE as the default browser to have access to the Metro IE. If you change the default to Chrome or Firefox the Metro IE will disappear.

I have chrome set to default, but my IE always launches in Metro...

 

[iavi]

You must set IE as the default browser to have access to the Metro IE. If you change the default to Chrome or Firefox the Metro IE will disappear.

Oh, wow. I had no clue. So weird.

 

[strata8]

Windows 8 still doesn't differentiate between Metro and desktop default programs - it can't choose a program depending on whether the file's being opened from the desktop or Metro. It's either one or the other, so you either have to deal with the Metro 'Photos' program when opening a picture from Windows Explorer or get sent back to the desktop when you click on an image attachment in Mail. It's just so frustrating and stupid.

 

[MCD]

Speaking of Metro apps, did they talk about Windows Live Movie Maker replacement yet?

 

[JBuccCP]

Windows 8 still doesn't differentiate between Metro and desktop default programs - it can't choose a program depending on whether the file's being opened from the desktop or Metro. It's either one or the other, so you either have to deal with the Metro 'Photos' program when opening a picture from Windows Explorer or get sent back to the desktop when you click on an image attachment in Mail. It's just so frustrating and stupid.

This is something that's going to need fixed or dream machines like a transformer or yogapad are going to be frustrating. The OS needs to be more aware of what context it's in and what app I am more likely to want to use depending on the hardware "state".

 

[peakish]

Windows 8 still doesn't differentiate between Metro and desktop default programs - it can't choose a program depending on whether the file's being opened from the desktop or Metro. It's either one or the other, so you either have to deal with the Metro 'Photos' program when opening a picture from Windows Explorer or get sent back to the desktop when you click on an image attachment in Mail. It's just so frustrating and stupid.

This is something that's going to need fixed or dream machines like a transformer or yogapad are going to be frustrating. The OS needs to be more aware of what context it's in and what app I am more likely to want to use depending on the hardware "state".

Great points. Hopefully it's in the pipeline.

 

[Mr_Zombie]

I just want to say that Visual Studio 2012 looks sexy.
I want all desktop applications to look like that.

 

[DSN2K]

having problems getting into battlelog(BF3) it simply crashes after you install the extension.

 

[123rl]

What link are people using to download the RP? And has anyone tried using it with VMWare on OSX? I did that with the CP version and it worked fine but I can't get this one to work. It's a 3GB download but when I go to install the ISO it says I am missing essential drivers

 

[SCHUEY F1]

We will find out in a few days what the new service will be but I am excited to see exactly what they will come up with after years of experience with zune.

I think it will be tied to the gold subscription for free playing only on console (no ads).... but to get the mobile apps you have to pay for whatever they call the new zunepass (similar to how spotify works).

In my ultimate dream scenario it would be a new xbox platinum tier costing $40/month which included gold, music pass and a streaming video pass (movie and tv content in the marketplace).

That will be pretty sweet, but I would still get the extra zune pass or whatever so I can download songs onto my phone.

 

[Treefingers]

So for some reason now when I play music via the music app the volume goes down when I'm using other apps - is this a known bug or did I do something to cause this?

 

[Robobandit]

So for some reason now when I play music via the music app the volume goes down when I'm using other apps - is this a known bug or did I do something to cause this?

What other programs do you have open?

I had that problem one time when I had steam open.. it stopped doing that when I closed steam.

I'd reboot your machine and not open anything but the music app and see if it still behaves that way.

 

[Treefingers]

What other programs do you have open?

I had that problem one time when I had steam open.. it stopped doing that when I closed steam.

I'd reboot your machine and not open anything but the music app and see if it still behaves that way.

Wow thanks, it was Steam. Very strange.

 

[DrFurbs]

So if I don't have a tablet and only a desktop, is this a good upgrade to windows 7?

 

[Damon Bennet]

So if I don't have a tablet and only a desktop, is this a good upgrade to windows 7?

It is incredibly fast and efficient. you might dislike that there is no start menu anymore or the new metro interface, but it still works really well as a desktop interface

 

[Uno Venova]

So if I don't have a tablet and only a desktop, is this a good upgrade to windows 7?

I don't think so, I like the new task manager and slightly faster bootup, but there is not much in this that would make me upgrade, Win7 is great enough. And there are some things like searching and shutdown functions that take more steps in Win8.

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

I had several issues when I installed on day of release. My second HDD wasn't showing up, and the resolution was awfully low with seemingly nothing including the correct graphics card drivers able to fix it. Installed again today, and all of the problems corrected themselves. Weird. But good.

 

[DD-11]

I almost never use the start button. I do use the run function though, but I access that and many other things with the windows key. Is the windows key still in use?

 

[bloodydrake]

windows key brings up start screen
you can add all the old things like run ect to the start screen tho

the start screen is really just a big start menu if you organize it like that with all your most common programs pinned first on the left its easy to get used to

 

[StudioTan]

I don't think so, I like the new task manager and slightly faster bootup, but there is not much in this that would make me upgrade, Win7 is great enough. And there are some things like searching and shutdown functions that take more steps in Win8.

The desktop experience itself is much faster. This OS is faster than Win 7 in it's current state.

Search (for files) and shutdown take 1 extra mouse click each but you're ignoring the fact that many thing require less mouse clicks. The Start screen is faster and requires less mouse clicks than using the folder hierarchy system of the old Start menu for example.

I almost never use the start button. I do use the run function though, but I access that and many other things with the windows key. Is the windows key still in use?

For finding programs it's:

- Windows key
- Start typing

 

[Uno Venova]

The desktop experience itself is much faster. This OS is faster than Win 7 in it's current state.

Search (for files) and shutdown take 1 extra mouse click each but you're ignoring the fact that many thing require less mouse clicks. The Start screen is faster and required less mouse clicks than using the folder hierarchy system of the old Start menu for example.

For the things that I do I haven't noticed needing less mouse clicks. I haven't noticed a significant bump in speed either, both OSes are snappy.

I didn't use the folder system in the start menu much, the things i needed (not often) there were pinned on the start menu, I know I can pin them on the start screen, but I don't like needing to switch between full screen guis to do so versus the start menu.

 

[Technosteve]

anyway to never use metro? like a cmd to default to windows 7 ui

 

[Troll]

anyway to never use metro? like a cmd to default to windows 7 ui

Well, you can not use it. When the computer boots just launch the desktop. But you cant avoid it completely, the computer boots to Metro.

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

anyway to never use metro? like a cmd to default to windows 7 ui

I have one tile on the Start screen with desktop. Then I made a folder with shortcuts and added it to the taskbar as a 'toolbar' to have some of the simplicity of the Start button back.

 

[Troll]

If you have your taskbar on the top of your screen you cant "close" it by dragging down on the screen like you can otherwise. This is probably by design.

Also, (using Chrome) if I pin a metro app to the left or right while I am using the desktop I lose my browser tabs. Every time. I have to minimize then maximize to repair it. This should be fixed.

 

[Windu]

So if I don't have a tablet and only a desktop, is this a good upgrade to windows 7?

well it is a upgrade to windows 7, but it isn't a massive upgrade. Most of the new things are in the new interface but there are some desktop improvements. I plan on getting a hybrid laptop/tablet and i want the same OS on my desktop so that is my reason. I probably won't use the new interface much on my desktop. I guess it all depends on what apps are released.

 

[Vanillalite]

So if I don't have a tablet and only a desktop, is this a good upgrade to windows 7?

It's a leaner meaner faster more efficient version of Windows at it's core. They shrunk the kernel size down even more, and at least in this release preview everything is incredibly fast.

Is it worth upgrading to? I'm not sure, but if it comes preinstalled definitely use it over W7 even if you just go straight to desktop mode. Hell I spend 99% of my time in desktop mode, and it's clearly better than Win 7 for me.

 

[Ghost]

MS's youtube video for this release is kind of interesting to me, it's entirely touch and hybrid devices, if they did market Windows 8 like that do you think people would even think about upgrading their non-touch devices?

Obviously MS has to be seen to be pushing W8 for everyone to get the main developers on board but I wonder if really they are thinking that people who don't change their control schemes are going to stick with Windows 7.

It sounds like an ok idea when you bare in mind where the market will be by the time Windows 9 is coming out, but I think in reality they will get huge negative press if they make out like this is a release for everyone and in fact the biggest existing market share feels better off without it.



Oh I lied, there is a mouse section, but it is short.

 

[kehs]

anyway to never use metro? like a cmd to default to windows 7 ui

When you see the prompt to upgrade or install, hit cancel.