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[Heisenberg007]

I wonder if they will wheel out Phil to say something about it briefly at the direct

I very much doubt it. But I do wonder if they'd try bury the news immediately after or before the direct with a very low tweet or blog post by PlayStation.

e.g., Xbox has a very good direct where they showcase "exclusive" first-party games that are only releasing on Xbox: Hellblade 2, Avowed, Indiana Jones. And an hour later PlayStation is allowed to tweet about Hi-Fi Rush and/or Sea of Thieves releasing on the PS5 in the next few months.

That way, one counter argument by the shill "journalists" could be: "who cares if a game is releasing full price years later on PS5 when it's available on GP? And see, Xbox isn't going third-party. They just showed us 3-4 games releasing exclusively on Xbox this year."

 

[jm89]

Kinda funny xcast guys are easing the green team into this reality.

Suffice to say marching orders have come down.

I feel like phil is seething having to put these games on ps. From the leaked emails he seemed the most gung ho about making stuff exclusive, pressure coming from up top.

 

[nick776]

Yep, exactly.

Moreover, Tim was talking to investors. Phil was putting fires on Twitter before the Holiday sales season. The two statements had very different weightage.

Exactly, Tim's statements were made to MSFT's most valuable population--investors.

 

[adamsapple]

I very much doubt it. But I do wonder if they'd try bury the news immediately after or before the direct with a very low tweet or blog post by PlayStation.

e.g., Xbox has a very good direct where they showcase "exclusive" first-party games that are only releasing on Xbox: Hellblade 2, Avowed, Indiana Jones. And an hour later PlayStation is allowed to tweet about Hi-Fi Rush and/or Sea of Thieves releasing on the PS5 in the next few months.

That way, one counter argument by the shill "journalists" could be: "who cares if a game is releasing full price years later on PS5 when it's available on GP? And see, Xbox isn't going third-party. They just showed us 3-4 games releasing exclusively on Xbox this year."

You spend way too much time thinking about these things

 

[StreetsofBeige]

You spend way too much time thinking about these things

Until it comes to a full stop.

He must had posted 1000 times in that MS/Activision merger thread where there was a lot of back and forth court case stuff etc...

The second MS pulled through and formally owned Activision he stopped posting and that thread died.

 

[demigod]

Exactly, Tim's statements were made to MSFT's most valuable population--investors.

I thought Timdog, Senshitsu and adamsapple were investors. What happened guys?

 

[GHG]

Until it comes to a full stop.

He must had posted 1000 times in that MS/Activision merger thread where there was a lot of back and forth court case stuff etc...

The second MS pulled through and formally owned Activision he stopped posting and that thread died.

The thread got locked, nobody that was present there throughout "stopped posting" in it (other than those who were forcibly removed due to their idiocy).

 

[Heisenberg007]

Until it comes to a full stop.

He must had posted 1000 times in that MS/Activision merger thread where there was a lot of back and forth court case stuff etc...

The second MS pulled through and formally owned Activision he stopped posting and that thread died.

WTF are you talking about?

I never stopped posting in that thread. I was there until it got locked. After the CMA's preliminary decision to approve, there was little room for speculation, theories, and discussions either way, so obviously, the overall activity of the thread got gradually down.

But, no, none of the regular posts in the "anti-acquisition" camp stopped posting.

 

[Heisenberg007]

You spend way too much time thinking about these things

Since PlayStation gamers will also be playing Xbox games, we're a stakeholder now, after all, and gotta think about Xbox games We're in this together now. Same team

 

[Panajev2001a]

If Microsoft came in a generation earlier, and competed with the Saturn, Ps1, and N64, the controller would have looked like this;

Reminds me of… which actually might have been much more ergonomic than people gave it credit for (maybe they could have shortened the grip side a tad).

 

[MasterCornholio]

Since PlayStation gamers will also be playing Xbox games, we're a stakeholder now, after all, and gotta think about Xbox games We're in this together now. Same team

Playstation gamers are Xbox gamers too!!!

We need to thank Phil for everything he's done that lead to this moment.

Assuming it happens BTW.

 

[Panajev2001a]

The funniest thing to me is that I have an xbot friend that thinks Nintendo should go third party. I can't wait to break this to him.

Yeah, we all saw Phil's e-mails in the FTC trial . "Nintendo just does not see it yet"…

 

[DenchDeckard]

Then I don't see an issue. Gamepass is still available on PC. Plus if you want a console like experience you can do it with a controller and a TV.

Abandoning gamepass because Microsoft stops making hardware doesn't make sense to me unless consoles are the only way to game.

If you enjoy the service just stick with it. You don't need an Xbox for gamepass.

It doesn't have as much value for me if I can't have a device that can play games natively in my rooms. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

Until a TV can stream games with as little latency as a console while the image holds up I need a device.

 

[MasterCornholio]

It doesn't have as much value for me if I can't have a device that can play games natively in my rooms. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

Until a TV can stream games with as little latency as a console while the image holds up I need a device.

But gamepass is still used to play games on PC. Surely you see the value of that without hardware.

Instead of buying games off Steam you can play them via gamepass. The subscription still has value even if Xbox hardware doesn't exist.

 

[Daneel Elijah]

I very much doubt it. But I do wonder if they'd try bury the news immediately after or before the direct with a very low tweet or blog post by PlayStation.

e.g., Xbox has a very good direct where they showcase "exclusive" first-party games that are only releasing on Xbox: Hellblade 2, Avowed, Indiana Jones. And an hour later PlayStation is allowed to tweet about Hi-Fi Rush and/or Sea of Thieves releasing on the PS5 in the next few months.

That way, one counter argument by the shill "journalists" could be: "who cares if a game is releasing full price years later on PS5 when it's available on GP? And see, Xbox isn't going third-party. They just showed us 3-4 games releasing exclusively on Xbox this year."

One of Xbox few thing that even fans and influencers dare to critic is them being confusing in their messaging. This would be stupid tone deaf to the extreme, and needs Sony approval, and while that would be fun to imagine, but not realistic. It would imply them going all in, if more than one game get to be on PS5, or get announced at the same time. Games need some marketing and ports need it too. And each game will need something adapted to it. GAAS can do ports with a new update. single player love GOTY editions, or just a small ad campaign looking at a favorable time to slot the game when there is no competition. Better to do it one at a time.

You spend way too much time thinking about these things

Not to defend him but in this case we are seeing something that don't happen often. Xbox going to put their games day one PC was an event. Sony porting some of their games on PC was also significant. Same for Nintendo putting games on mobile. Changes like those are rare. If Xbox decide to put games on concurrent platforms, talking of how and when they will be doing it does interest me. If one day Gamepass got to be on Playstation, I think that you also would be curious of all the details. Would they announce it with a blog post, a state of play, a not E3 conference?
For me the marketing aspect of putting games on a concurrent machine make me curious because Xbox marketing is US centric. Will they put games on Switch with full ads in Japan, or just a youtube video? Will they try to really market games that could have more success in Europe this time, or continue to do the minimum?

 

[demigod]

Playstation gamers are Xbox gamers too!!!

We need to thank Phil for everything he's done that lead to this moment.

Assuming it happens BTW.

Holyshit, Phil might be right afterall.

 

[havoc00]

 

[DenchDeckard]

I guess Microsoft take the Sony approach with pc and bring games to playstation and switch like a year or so after the xbox release?

Seems like a logical choice. If they deliver kick ass games people will buy xboxes to play day one but if they aren't interested in that they can wait a year or so and buy on PlayStation or switch and MS gets the money for the games sale there.

 

[jm89]

Until it comes to a full stop.

Tim Stuart

 

[MasterCornholio]

I guess Microsoft take the Sony approach with pc and bring games to playstation and switch like a year or so after the xbox release?

Seems like a logical choice. If they deliver kick ass games people will buy xboxes to play day one but if they aren't interested in that they can wait a year or so and buy on PlayStation or switch and MS gets the money for the games sale there.

Maybe.

Last year their views on exclusivity could be different than now. It's possible that day one releases is something they will plan for future releases.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Maybe.

Last year their views on exclusivity could be different than now. It's possible that day one releases is something they will plan for future releases.

Definitely, I think Sony with pc day one is coming and Microsoft might just do day one on ps5 and switch too if their studios can handle the ports day one.

When rhis happens I dunno but I can imagine it within the next few years.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Definitely, I think Sony with pc day one is coming and Microsoft might just do day one on ps5 and switch too if their studios can handle the ports day one.

When rhis happens I dunno but I can imagine it within the next few years.

Sony still sells consoles though so their views on day one releases might be different.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Sony still sells consoles though so their views on day one releases might be different.

Did xbox announce that they are stopping selling consoles?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Did xbox announce that they are stopping selling consoles?

Oh no your the one saying that.

What I'm saying is since Sony sells a ton of systems they probably want their consoles to be their main priority.

No idea if Xbox will stop selling consoles but its a possibility if they don't see a future with hardware.

 

[CatLady]

You spend way too much time thinking about these things

He's deep into his fanfiction.

 

[bitbydeath]

Definitely, I think Sony with pc day one is coming and Microsoft might just do day one on ps5 and switch too if their studios can handle the ports day one.

When rhis happens I dunno but I can imagine it within the next few years.

I doubt it, that action contributed to Xbox's downfall.

 

[demigod]

Maybe.

Last year their views on exclusivity could be different than now. It's possible that day one releases is something they will plan for future releases.

Day 1 SP on PC ain't happening. They want folks on their playstation ecosystem where the majority of their revenue is from 3rd parties.

 

[Horseganador]

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

wow The Xbox Future is Bright indeed.

 

[demigod]

"Yes Man"

These dudes aren't fans, they are shills.

 

[bitbydeath]

"Yes Man"

These dudes aren't fans, they are shills.

They're all reading from the same script. MS is trying to get people to accept/evangelise the news before they officially announce it.

 

[alphachino]

It would be advantageous for Microsoft and Bungie to work together again on Halo. Bring some hype and prestige back to the franchise and help Bungie out with their pipeline that is too dependent on GaaS.

Microsoft and Bungie get revenue and Sony gets a version on PS5, maybe even ports of MCC.

Microsoft as a Publisher needs to completely evolve from Microsoft as a platform holder. Similar to what they did with Rare and Nintendo in order to get Goldeneye.

The problem with Microsoft is that they are a purely reactionary company and lack in genuine innovation... they just copy their competitors and hope to use their financial muscle to take over industries. More often than not they fail.

OS - copied
Cloud - copied
browser - copied
MP3 players - copied/late to the game
PC hardware - copy/late/fail (although some of their surface line is admittedly quite nice)
gaming hardware - copy/fail
phones - copied/fail

Maybe copy isn't the right word... but you can see where I'm going with this.

I like the idea of giving Halo back to Bungie for an entry. Can't see it happening, but it would be a good move on MS's part.

 

[Three]

They're all reading from the same script. MS is trying to get people to accept/evangelise the news before they officially announce it.

Or they are stirring this rumour to announce something as exclusive. You just never know with these people. The rumour mill was definitely started from Jez, Tom and Jeff though.

 

[bitbydeath]

Or they are stirring this rumour to announce something as exclusive. You just never know with these people. The rumour mill was definitely started from Jez, Tom and Jeff though.

Tom seems to be indicating that he will soon stop covering Xbox news. Something is going down.

 

[ulantan]

Tom seems to be indicating that he will soon stop covering Xbox news. Something is going down.

Ain't no way.

 

[Badlucktroll]

To me, Xbox 360 was the only Microsoft console that truly felt "alive".

 

[bitbydeath]

Ain't no way.

Might be just Tom not taking the new direction well.

 

[Crayon]

Well, something is changing. idk what it will end up looking like, though. Like what if it's just the occasional sp b-stringer on switch, or gaas on ps? Then two years later we are back to crack rocks and xbox is going to dominate because reasons.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Day 1 SP on PC ain't happening. They want folks on their playstation ecosystem where the majority of their revenue is from 3rd parties.

I was talking about Xbox. They might do day one releases on Xbox and other Platforms. If Sony does that I don't expect it to happen with all of their titles. And for most of them there would be a delay because consoles are their top priority.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Kinda funny xcast guys are easing the green team into this reality.

Suffice to say marching orders have come down.

I feel like phil is seething having to put these games on ps. From the leaked emails he seemed the most gung ho about making stuff exclusive, pressure coming from up top.

What did the kinda funny guys say?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Broken brain syndrome.

Like most those people are.

 

[Windle Poons]

Microsoft fucked up (in my opinion) by committing to day one exclusives to GPU. Instead of having to pay £60+ for a new game people only have to pay £10. If MS exclusives came to GPU in a year say then there is obviously 12 months of potential high revenue share.

You've seen examples in this thread where people have said X game has come out so I've paid a month for GPU and I'm done kind of thing. I've never paid for GPU but I'm subbed up until the end of 2025 currently. I have enough reward points to add another 24 months on if I want to. That's £10 a month for 4 years revenue that MS won't ever get from me.

If MS decide to bring some old exclusives to Sony or Nintendo bring it on. Doesn't mean a death in the family just a second wind. I don't know anyone who would likely buy the Master Chief Collection for a Microsoft console any longer as it's been on GP for as long as I can remember. Release it on a Sony machine (PS4 perhaps) I don't know how many Sony only people would buy it but even if they got a million extra sales - well they aren't going to sell a million copies any longer if it just stays on GP. This is business there's no such thing as sacred anymore (unless your Nintendo which is a different business model entirely)

I don't know about the current stuff (your Starfield's and your Forza's) but old back catalogue even if they make some money better than making no money at all.

Of course if they go all in including all the latest stuff then so be it. Someone buying Starfield for £60 on a rival machine is better to MS than someone signing up for a free month of GPU and playing it that way.

 

[DenchDeckard]

OK, lets throw a wild what if out there.

So, say Microsoft goes down this route quite consistently and shock horror, it ends up really working for them.

Games like sea of thieves start selling 30 million copies including switch and playstation and Microsoft become first place by a healthy margin, can invest more in their studios and they finally find balance and an extremely healthy arm of Microsoft in Xbox. What message does that bring?

Of course there will be the " they had to start releasing games on nintendo and playstation to finally find success" which will absolutely be true, but what about when you get beyond that. If they end up making excess bank and become number one by a large margin. What message does that send to shareholders and the industry? Surely, Microsoft will then be even more of a behemoth in all areas and their strategy will allow them to purchase more studios and more consolidation because there will be no argument if they are releasing games everywhere.....

I think the first half will be good for them and all of us as everyone can play the next gears of War...and it could sell multiple tens of millions...but I don't like the consolidation part.

I dunno, just brainstorming.

My post from the Tom Warren thread, with some of my thoughts on this.

More games for everyone is a great thing, you should be able to play where you want in my opinion. So if MS goes for it I'm completely down. I just don't want them to stop making hardware as well.

 

[MasterCornholio]

My post from the Tom Warren thread, with some of my thoughts on this.

More games for everyone is a great thing, you should be able to play where you want in my opinion. So if MS goes for it I'm completely down. I just don't want them to stop making hardware as well.

Depends how important exclusives are for selling their hardware. I guess when they go full third party (if it happens) we can study the impact to console sales.

 

[jm89]

What did the kinda funny guys say?

The below, whole discussion is on their latest xcast video.

 

[Heisenberg007]

My post from the Tom Warren thread, with some of my thoughts on this.

More games for everyone is a great thing, you should be able to play where you want in my opinion. So if MS goes for it I'm completely down. I just don't want them to stop making hardware as well.

It is inevitable that, sooner or later, hardware will be abandoned if they start porting their exclusives to other platforms.

I still think that there won't be a next-gen Xbox console, along with the PS6.

 

[Panajev2001a]

That looks like something bigger is going on, these kind of influencers clearly get a high level script to follow, marching orders if you like, to stay "on brand / on message" and this is a big shift.

 

[Badlucktroll]

Gears of War Collection Being Tested Now, It's Claimed - Insider Gaming

It has been claimed that the Gears of War Collection is in testing now at The Coalition, which means it could be released this year.

insider-gaming.com

This would be pretty fun to play on Switch 2

 

[THE DUCK]

I don't get it. Exclusivity of their catalog? Like putting all of their games for Switch 2? Nintendo are crazy enough to be unhappy about that as they want to be the best publisher on their console. In the Wii gen I remember reading that the dev kit they send to third party was not as good as the one given to first party studios. With this mentality I don't think they are eager to deal with Microsoft, regardless of what value Xbox games would have in a kid friendly place like a Nintendo console.

Wouldn't they still be the best publisher on thier console? Having strong third party support has always been a win for any console, I would think they would consider it.

 

[ljubomir]

I would not mind Crimson Skies on the Switch