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Amazing Spider-Man will hit $700M worldwide so it doesn't matter anyhow. The real question is whether it can hit $800M. Definitely going to be more of a struggle to $500M than I thought.

It's going to be fascinating to see how ASM does in it's second weekend at the US box office. I have a feeling hat Ice Age 4 (?) could suck a lot of air out of the room even though they aren't chasing the same audience.

And if ASM gets to $700m and it's 'break even' number I wonder if this will force Sony to reevaluate how they make the sequel?

Orci/Kurtsman don't exactly strike me as writers who do nuanced subtle drama.

At the box office?? Absolutely not. If that were the case 95% of films would be losing massive amounts of money.

Usually these days if a film's domestic gross is equal to the budget, it's profitable.

With the DVD market whittled away to nothing studios are under more pressure more now than ever to go into profit with a film's theatrical run.

And that "if a film's domestic gross is equal to the budget, it's profitable" line is just nonsense.

Whoever keeps spouting the $700 million WW to break even number is out of their mind, or using extremely creative accounting.

Eleborate on this please. I'm assuming that you don't really have a great grasp on these things but I'd like to hear your 'working' all the same.
 
I'm sure Wahlberg and Universal are happy with Ted's performance. Shocked the budget was so low, too.

Ironically Universal didn't actually produce TED. It was financed and produced by the same company behind Elysium and Universal just bought it 'off the shelf' to distribute so to speak.

We'll see how Bourne does but this could end up being Universal's big summer movie and they didn't even make it.
 
It's going to be fascinating to see how ASM does in it's second weekend at the US box office. I have a feeling hat Ice Age 4 (?) could suck a lot of air out of the room even though they aren't chasing the same audience.

And if ASM gets to $700m and it's 'break even' number I wonder if this will force Sony to reevaluate how they make the sequel?

Orci/Kurtsman don't exactly strike me as writers who do nuanced subtle drama.



With the DVD market whittled away to nothing studios are under more pressure more now than ever to go into profit with a film's theatrical run.

And that "if a film's domestic gross is equal to the budget, it's profitable" line is just nonsense.



Eleborate on this please. I'm assuming that you don't really have a great grasp on these things but I'd like to hear your 'working' all the same.

You can assume whatever you want. But i've already explained why.

The US box office is heavily frontloaded, and the studios take the vast majority of the revenue that ASM will take in.

Overseas, studios get less of a cut, but even if we assume it's even 40% (which is way, way too low because the dollar is weak right now) The US + WW gross will still exceed the "breakeven" point that the budget suggests. With a 220 million budget, Sony would need to be taking in less than 35% of the total worldwide gross to not break even at the box office. This is stretching the bounds of plausibility.

Now, you could say "but, marketing costs!" however- 1.) no one knows what the true dollar amount of that is, and 2.) Sony is on record as using product placement to defray about a third of the budget for this film. so the true cost of ASM likely isn't very much more than the stated $220 million.

And this is before we consider home video which includes not only DVD and Blu Ray which admittedly are in decline, but also streaming rights (which are not), premium channel rights like HBO/Showtime/Cinemax, non-premium cable rights like FX, and Broadcast. The total value of all this would have to be nearly zero for the "700 million breakeven" point to be correct. it isn't.

"DVD rentals and sales can tack on up to $60-$100 mil for a big title and TV rights, merchandise, and many other avenues can generate income," says Chad Hartigan, a box office analyst with Exhibitor Relations.

http://io9.com/5747305/how-much-money-does-a-movie-need-to-make-to-be-profitable

And like it or not, ASM is a big title, and spider man drives insane amounts of merchandising not just in the US, but internationally.

The 700 million breakeven figure is bullshit. at $700 million WW in box office alone, ASM will be very, very profitable for that studio.
 
Amazing Spider-Man will hit $700M worldwide so it doesn't matter anyhow. The real question is whether it can hit $800M. Definitely going to be more of a struggle to $500M overseas than I thought. I think the difference between $750ish or $800M will be the movie's reception in China.

It really does feel like it has 2 weeks to bring in as much as it can, before Batman shoves it out.
 
The 700 million breakeven figure is bullshit. at $700 million WW in box office alone, ASM will be very, very profitable for that studio.

Between production costs and P&A costs?

I would have scoffed at it being 'very' profitable. But 'very, very' profitable.

This simply isn't true.

And like it or not, ASM is a big title, and spider man drives insane amounts of merchandising not just in the US, but internationally.

What does this have to do with Sony? Sony Pictures sold their theatrical merchandising rights to Spider-Man back to Disney.

They now have no control over the merchandising rights etc for the Spider-Man films or the money it would generate.

This point is reflective of your entire post.
 
It really does feel like it has 2 weeks to bring in as much as it can, before Batman shoves it out.

It has more breathing room internationally. TDKR is opening a week after the US/UK release in many markets.

Amazing Spider-Man's holds next week are going to be really important.
 
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And the only reason Spidey 2 was that low for the opening weekend was that it opened on a Wednesday.

After 6 days:

S-M1 - $144M before inflation
S-M2 - $180M before inflation
S-M3 - $176M before inflation
ASM - $140M

But these numbers show that its six days still eclipses ASM.

But then we will have everyone coming in with "But this is the biggest opening for a reboot!"
Well, it is also coming off of a big hit with the third one. Batman Begins came many years after the lowest grossing Batman movie and an almost universally panned movie.

ASM did good numbers yes, but it is still the lowest Spider Man opening no matter how you try to spin it.
 
Iron Man (first half)
The Avengers

poop

Iron Man (second half)
Thor
The Incredible Hulk
Captain America
Iron Man 2
The Amazing Spiderman

No way, I would say The Amazing Spider-Man was a better movie than all the origin movies from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. What does the rest of gaf think?
 
No way, I would say The Amazing Spider-Man was a better movie than all the origin movies from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. What does the rest of gaf think?
Well I thought TASM was freaking amazing. Specially the final 2/3rds. The beginning was a little weak. But everything post bite was great.
 
No way, I would say The Amazing Spider-Man was a better movie than all the origin movies from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. What does the rest of gaf think?

Shockingly for me it was better than the Marvel made origin films. Not to say I didn't like those, I love all of them, but the emotion and heart in this film just can't be matched by them.
 
Shockingly for me it was better than the Marvel made origin films. Not to say I didn't like those, I love all of them, but the emotion and heart in this film just can't be matched by them.
Yeah for that reason alone id put it above all the official Marvel films. The only one of them to have any heart is Captain America, but then that is a weaker film than Iron Man and Avengers, and both of those movies are too "cold" in comparison to ASM for me to like them better.
 
Overseas Amazing Spider-man breakdown (these are all opening weekends):

- $18.1M in the UK (just below Spider-man 3, edit: in US dollars the difference is larger. SM3 was $23M)
- $10.8M in Russia (Avengers was $15M, but Spider-man 3 only made $14M total)
- $9.6M Mexico (sixth largest opening, but down from SM3)
- $8M France (way down from SM3)
- $7.5 Australia (around the same as SM3)
- $6.9 Brazil (Slightly down from SM3)
- $5.7M Italy (way down)
- $4.5M Indonesia (largest opening ever)
- $4.1M Spain (35% of SM3's opening)
- $2.1 for United Arab Emirates (3rd highest ever and twice SM3's final gross)

Japan is at $20.7M and Germany $9.6M after two weeks. The movie will probably fall short of Spider-man 3's total by a fair amount in both territories.



In other news, Prometheus is at $294M, up $9M since last weekend. It should hit $300M in the next week or two, but that's about it.

Australia loves Ted. The movie made $8.6M over the weekend and $13.1 including early screenings.

Wow....so Ted topped spiderman in Australia despite also having early screenings the weekend before, that's crazy
 
Product placement is very evident and represent a chunk of the movies budget.

I read some time ago that product placement will represent a third of the movies budget on all of Sony´s films. The laughable part is those products are Sony products. So Sony is paying to advertise Sony :D

Just for reference

http://brandsandfilms.com/2011/09/product-placement-in-pictures-friends-with-benefits/

Apparently Sony's product placement didn't do their job.

Their smart phone range is spelled as "Xperia".
 
No way, I would say The Amazing Spider-Man was a better movie than all the origin movies from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. What does the rest of gaf think?


I have the amazing spider-man up there with the first Ironman.

I don't know why people like the avengers do much... This movie pooped on avengers.
 
ARe these numbers good for ASM? $65M is just the weekend numbers, right? I imagine these are good enough to get ASM2 green lighted.

The movie itself was solid, not great, but a sequel should be much better.



Lol. Why do you keep calling me out about this? I'm not losing any sleep over it.

Lingering butthurt from The AVengers' success, I'd imagine. But sure, I still think Marvel & Sony need to work out a deal to get Spidey in Avengers 2.



No way, I would say The Amazing Spider-Man was a better movie than all the origin movies from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. What does the rest of gaf think?

I'd put ASM below all recent MCU movies except for IM2. It's not even close to punching at the same weight of The Avengers, though.
 
Sony was dumb to sell the marchandising rights of Spider-Man.
Product placement represents a third of TAS's budget. Whether its only production budget or includes advertising budget is unknown.

ARe these numbers good for ASM? $65M is just the weekend numbers, right? I imagine these are good enough to get ASM2 green lighted.

The movie itself was solid, not great, but a sequel should be much better.





Lingering butthurt from The AVengers' success, I'd imagine. But sure, I still think Marvel & Sony need to work out a deal to get Spidey in Avengers 2.





I'd put ASM below all recent MCU movies except for IM2. It's not even close to punching at the same weight of The Avengers, though.
There is a TAS sequel in 2014. There is no way that Sony will abondon the franchise.
 
Merchandising rights for Spider-man were probably not as good as they would have been for a similar character that wasn't licensed. Marvel always had the merch rights for Spider-man in general. It would have just been movie spider-man that Sony made money off. And I'm sure they had restrictions on what they could do (as well as profit sharing with Marvel).
 
Yup. Sony sold the merchandising to Disney and Sony keeps the Spider-Man movie rights forever.

Doesn't this mean Disney could basically do zero merchandising for ASM? Not that they would, they have waaaaaaay more to gain from ASM merchandise than they would from attempting to sabotage promotion of ASM, but still.
 
Box Office Actuals numbers came in.

Spider-Man collapsed a bit on Sunday

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Estimates: 65 million OW 140 Million
Actuals: 62 Million OW 137 Million
 
Damn, Sony can't be happy with how TAS is performing. It had two weeks to perform before Rises came along and took all its.business and it's basically stumbling at the starting block.
 
Brave is not a bomb. It gave Disney/Pixar a new character to milk for the next 10 years with merch and theme park attractions. These things are longer term.
 
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