Wkd BO 07•6-8•12 - Piderman a firework, Tity Perry pop rocks, Taylor Kitsch am bomba

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Disney is gonna be selling big frizzy orange wigs for years to come. There's gonna be so many little girls dressed as Merida this Halloween.

I wish it was a better film, but I don't think Pixar/Disney is crying about this result at all.
 
Brave has bombed pretty hard hasn't it...

Not at all. Should finish around $250 million in all likelihood which would be about mid-range Pixar. If it can get to $262, it'd be their 4th best ever (not adjusted for inflation mind you). It'll surpass their film from last summer (Cars 2) by next weekend. I thought it was good but not great film -- bit of a lull at times in the latter half, but still quite enjoyable.
 
Brave is a Cars/Wall-E level hit rather than Up or Nemo. Other than Cars I think I would file Brave as a (very) rare Pixar fail.

Stop being a fool who perpetuates stupid notions. Just because it's not knocking down records doesn't mean it's a "bomb" or a "fail".
 
Yes, but that doesn't mean it is a bomb. I don't think anybody thought Brave would be a Nemo-level hit.

Not a total bomb, but it's definitely going to be one of the lowest grossing Pixar movies. It will beat Cars 2 but that's about it. Makes sense as it is not doing as well on RT as other Pixar movies, it is definitely in the Cars/Cars 2 bracket.

you have no idea how much Cars merchandise still sells do you

No, of course I don't fucking know why they made a cash in sequel for the first time in their history, surely it can't have been to push fucking merchandise. For fucks sake. I was talking about BO, not merchandising opportunities.
 
Not a total bomb, but it's definitely going to be one of the lowest grossing Pixar movies. It will beat Cars 2 but that's about it. Makes sense as it is not doing as well on RT as other Pixar movies, it is definitely in the Cars/Cars 2 bracket.

It's running ahead of WALL-E and Ratatouille. It'll end up in the middle of the pack. Quit being obtuse.
 
box office should be tracked with number of tickets sold and nothing else

When it becomes legal for movie producers and theaters to pay their bills, employees, and taxes in the form of tickets, then we'll switch. Until then, dollars are just fine.

P.S. So whose box office performance (or lack thereof) are you salty about?
 
RE Sony selling the theatrical merchandising rights to Spider Man back to Disney this was done purely to 'cash in' as SPE were heading towards a terrible quarter.

They also cashed in a lot of other investments (such as chunk of HBO South America they owned IIRC) to get a healthy profit for the quarter.

It's thought that Kaz is not a big fan of Sony's film & TV division and Amy Pascal and everyone else at SPE know it.

Yup. Sony sold the merchandising to Disney and Sony keeps the Spider-Man movie rights forever.

I do not believe this to be the case. Do you have a link for this?

Box Office Actuals numbers came in.

Spider-Man collapsed a bit on Sunday

Estimates: 65 million OW 140 Million
Actuals: 62 Million OW 137 Million

Considering that Spider Man 3's first Friday on release was a (then) record breaking $59m IIRC that would mean that ASM's three day weekend was just $3m more than Spidey 3's first day.

And while I realise that this isn't a fair comparison owing to various factors it's still an eye opener.
 
RE Sony selling the theatrical merchandising rights to Spider Man back to Disney this was done purely to 'cash in' as SPE were heading towards a terrible quarter.

They also cashed in a lot of other investments (such as chunk of HBO South America they owned IIRC) to get a healthy profit for the quarter.

It's thought that Kaz is not a big fan of Sony's film & TV division and Amy Pascal and everyone else at SPE know it.



I do not believe this to be the case. Do you have a link for this?



Considering that Spider Man 3's first Friday on release was a (then) record breaking $59m IIRC that would mean that ASM's three day weekend was just $3m more than Spidey 3's first day.

And while I realise that this isn't a fair comparison owing to various factors it's still an eye opener.

The deal for Spider-Man requires SPE to have an active project at all times. It does not have a release schedule clause, so Sony could have an "active" project on the back burner for 10 years if they wanted to put the franchise on moratorium if a lot of damage had been done for whatever reason.

Weirdly SPE are spending big time in the UK, buying up slots, networks and production companies left right and centre. I have no idea why, but they seem to want to make a big splash in the UK during 2013. I know they are in negotiats for 5 more slots on Virgin Media right now as well as the one they already have, with two in HD.

I don't know what the long term plan is for SPE within Sony, but for as long as the US has foreign ownership restrictions on TV networks I'm not sure that it makes sense for Sony to own Columbia Pictures, however, I'm also certain that they wouldn't find a buyer for Columbia Pictures and some of MGM. Not in the current market.
 
Brave is a Cars/Wall-E level hit rather than Up or Nemo. Other than Cars I think I would file Brave as a (very) rare Pixar fail.
Cars makes Disney so much money it's insane. It does so well it now has like half of California adventure with nothing but cars rides. Brave could only wish to be on that level.
 
The deal for Spider-Man requires SPE to have an active project at all times. It does not have a release schedule clause, so Sony could have an "active" project on the back burner for 10 years if they wanted to put the franchise on moratorium if a lot of damage had been done for whatever reason.

I am aware of the term of such deals. If you want a laugh go and look up the stories of Warren Beatty STILL holding the rights after all these years claiming that he is STILL actively developing a sequel to Dick Tracy.

It's become something of a running industry joke.

Weirdly SPE are spending big time in the UK, buying up slots, networks and production companies left right and centre. I have no idea why, but they seem to want to make a big splash in the UK during 2013. I know they are in negotiats for 5 more slots on Virgin Media right now as well as the one they already have, with two in HD.

The reason is simple, the only expansion options that Sony have open to them are in Europe and the likes of India etc.

Sony are simply trying to leverage more cash from their library by starting a load of 'themed' basic movie channels. SPE has a massive library but Sony have another division SPE Worldwide Acquisition group who basically go around buying up loads of B movies and what have you to fill out different content deals.

I know for a fact that Sony are trying to start a 'male movie channel' in the UK at the moment. Basically when everything was going well for Sony SPE lead something of a charmed life but now that the mother ship is doing badly SPE has to sing for it's supper and that means aggressive expansion, fast.

I don't know what the long term plan is for SPE within Sony, but for as long as the US has foreign ownership restrictions on TV networks I'm not sure that it makes sense for Sony to own Columbia Pictures, however, I'm also certain that they wouldn't find a buyer for Columbia Pictures and some of MGM. Not in the current market.

Sony's problem is simple. They know they will never get top price for SPE because A) they know Sony needs the cash and B) at the moment everyone is looking to buy up TV assets (which SPE of course do not have) not film divisions so they will never get anything more than a fire sale price for SPE.

Another worry is that the only potential buyers for SPE are likely to be other media players such as News Corp or Time Warner and if either of them buy SPE they will simply asset strip it and absorb it into their own operations as what would they do with another studio?

In saying that I think we will massive consolidation between the studios in the next five years. A colleague of mine is already convinced that Paramount's near non existent slate might be a sign that Viacom is preparing to sell up with Skeletor (Sumner Redstone) is still alive to spend it.

Also Sony no longer have any part of MGM. They fronted a consortium to buy the studio during the 'hi-def disc wars' but they no longer have any direct ownership over the studio. In fact if anything WB have more of a connection with MGM as they own most of MGM's classic films such as The Wizard Of OZ etc.
 
I don't understand why more franchises don't do this.

The Batman franchise's demise in the 90s probably has a lot to do with this. Also, reboots let them reuse the same villains, reuse story ideas, etc.
 
They didn't need a reboot for that. They should have gone the James Bond route and recast.

Spider-man needed a reboot because the trajectory of the franchise/series was shot by Raimi's vision, and needed to be rebuilt in order to follow more closely to the comics, because it's easier to adapt the comics in a more 'real time' fashion than just pull from here or there. It's the same w/ X-Men First Class - it was envisioned as a prequel, but you can bet it will slowly become the ground-work for a reboot of the entire franchise.
 
Spider-man needed a reboot because the trajectory of the franchise/series was shot by Raimi's vision, and needed to be rebuilt in order to follow more closely to the comics, because it's easier to adapt the comics in a more 'real time' fashion than just pull from here or there. It's the same w/ X-Men First Class - it was envisioned as a prequel, but you can bet it will slowly become the ground-work for a reboot of the entire franchise.

First Class is not a reboot. That's actually my biggest issue with the movie. I wanted the real first class, not whatever scrubs they needed to maintain continuity.

The difference is this: we never got a proper X-Men origin because the first movie was all about Wolverine. We've had Spidey's origin done, and done well.
 
Best part of Part of Me was the lounge act rendition of I Kissed A Girl. I'd so rock out to a studio recording of that, real talk.

Also, fart soundboards and having a better ass than Nicki Minaj (and an actual singing voice).
 
Not a total bomb, but it's definitely going to be one of the lowest grossing Pixar movies. It will beat Cars 2 but that's about it. Makes sense as it is not doing as well on RT as other Pixar movies, it is definitely in the Cars/Cars 2 bracket.

It will top:

Toy Story
A Bug's Life
Ratatouille
Cars 2
WALL-E
 
First Class is not a reboot. That's actually my biggest issue with the movie. I wanted the real first class, not whatever scrubs they needed to maintain continuity.

The difference is this: we never got a proper X-Men origin because the first movie was all about Wolverine. We've had Spidey's origin done, and done well.

of course First Class isn't a reboot. It's a 'defibrillator jolt' to the X-Men franchise, which will likely LEAD to a reboot of the X-Men franchise, which will follow closer to the comics. It will prob. even be called 'Uncanny X-Men' too. LOL
 
Reading some of those latest tweets from Katy has me convinced that she's Osaka-chan from Azumanga Daioh in real life. Her recent one about wondering if saying "cheese" before taking a picture is from France or Wisconsin is a doozy.


How was it? I want to see it ,but I'm waiting for netflix. Were there any gif-able moments?
It was great. The most exploitable meme moment comes during her performance of California Gurls at the end when she whips out the foam gun, and her performance of Peacock has to be up there.

Also, to paraphrase one of Deadspin's great rants, the film made Russell Brand look like a grade A flaming red asshole.
 
I saw both Brave and The Amazing Spiderman this weekend. I thought Spiderman was awesome and Brave wasn't nearly as bad as it gets flak for. It's definitely near the middle of the Pixar pack, but way better than either Cars movie.
 
I'm not sure why people hated Cars 2 so much. I loved the way all the different locations they raced at looked. They were so bright and vibrant, especially Japan. I mean definitely not the best Pixar ,but not as bad as the internet people make it out to be.
 
I don't know what the long term plan is for SPE within Sony, but for as long as the US has foreign ownership restrictions on TV networks I'm not sure that it makes sense for Sony to own Columbia Pictures, however, I'm also certain that they wouldn't find a buyer for Columbia Pictures and some of MGM. Not in the current market.

Sony would never ever sell Columbia pictures, especially since Sony is building/expanding the online movie business. Columbia is too valuable and has an immense library of movies, which Sony needs to leverage their own online movie business. Sony bought Columbia pictures to leverage their format after the Betamax fiasco. I know that movies will be digital in the future, and formats will be a thing of the past, but still Sony needs the Columbia picture library. Why would Sony sell a profitable business and keep losing ones? It does not make sense.
 
I'm not sure why people hated Cars 2 so much. I loved the way all the different locations they raced at looked. They were so bright and vibrant, especially Japan. I mean definitely not the best Pixar ,but not as bad as the internet people make it out to be.

It's not arty like WALL-E, which should have been named BOR-ING.
 
They are disappointing overseas where a lot of people were expecting Amazing Spider-man to match to surpass Spider-man 3's earnings. Even Box office Mojo was expecting $570M overseas in their summer forecast. A lot will depend on China, but the market has expanded a ton since 2007. Even sequels to sub par series entries are breaking or matching franchise highs overseas.

I don't think anyone expected it to match spider-man 3's opening numbers. Spider-man 3 was coming off the highly acclaimed second one and the amazing spider-man is coming off spider-man 3... which was... well.. yeah, we all know how that turned out.
 
Taylor Kitsch just can't catch a break. He's quickly becoming toxic.

He better sign up for another run as Gambit asap.
 
I'm not sure why people hated Cars 2 so much. I loved the way all the different locations they raced at looked. They were so bright and vibrant, especially Japan. I mean definitely not the best Pixar ,but not as bad as the internet people make it out to be.


Mater

Worst fucking character ever created. The movie is as bad as everyone says, and it's because it focuses so much on such a terrible character. You're right that the movie looks beautiful, but it's all ruined by Larry the Cable Guy.
 
quite liked norton's hulk.

asm is way worse than that..

Let's not exaggerate. ASM is a good but flawed movie. TIH was just a bad movie.

In fact, all Hulk movies are bad. The character doesn't let itself to a solo feature movie. No one wants to see Banner fighting to keep the Hulk from escaping, it doesn't make for a good movie and it only serves to bore the audience.

Anyway, not to get away from the point. ASM is in no way as bad as TIH, which, if we're brutally honest, is close to Green Lantern levels of bad.
 
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