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Oh he's alive, he's just been waiting. Waiting and watching for the right time to strike.
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Wkd Box Office 0101-0316 - Hate flows through BO as TFA eyes all-time DOM record
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Oh he's alive, he's just been waiting. Waiting and watching for the right time to strike.
Haha. I haven't seen Creed, but Fury Road is missing 45 minutes of nostalgic call backs to the Road Warrior and is clearly set not long after the other films, so it doesn't count.
I did forget Vacation though (as did everyone).
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Stop, elf
Discotheque
Banned
Fury Road is more like after road warrior, or before or whatever. The series doesn't really care about canon which is great
Creed's definitely the better handling of a 20 years later thing than Star Wars or jurassic world Tho (not that Star Wars is bad or anything, but abrams would catch coogler's fade)
he's very active in a lot of things, as stated by his IMDB page which he totally didn't write it himself at all, nossir
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000430/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
You might be on to something. I always liked the guy. I think the last movie I saw him in was an Olsen twins movie.
Oh wait no! I remember he was the pedophile on Veronica Mars. Ok that's the last thing.
Bobby Roberts
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Hey, it's hard to suggest that this is a bad path to go down when two of the best movies of 2015 are direct sequels to films made in 1985
I remember when Scorsese made a sequel to The Hustler and people thought that was so fuckin' weird.
When Ghostbusters blows the fuck up next year, all bets are off.
I remember when Scorsese made a sequel to The Hustler and people thought that was so fuckin' weird.
When Ghostbusters blows the fuck up next year, all bets are off.
I know a lot of people don't like it, but I'm just fine with it, as long as they are decent movies.
Throw in Ash vs. Evil Dead on the TV side. That's 4/4 as far as I'm concerned. Jurassic Park 3 didn't come out that long ago (
fuck it came out damn near 15 years ago
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I still haven't seen it! I need to, definitely.
Discotheque
Banned
Is ghostbusters going with the years later angle or is it a straight reboot?
BronsonLee
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I'll die on this hill!
But yeah, considering the quality of the reboots/continuations this year, let's keep that train going. The batting average is real, real good. Especially if it's from WB, oddly enough. They seem to be able to bring the original people in the most.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Straight up reboot.
I think it's supposed to be a straight reboot, with nothing to tie it to the originals.
I'm actually a lot more comfortable with that, since tying it to the original films would make it a lot harder for the new characters to stand on their own two feet when you're comparing them to the original crew that would still be running around.
BronsonLee
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Is Bill Murray going to show up in the Spock role, because if so I'll probably just leave
Bobby Roberts
Banned
They can't backdoor an alternate timeline into Ghostbusters in a chickenshit appeal to fans that were going to show up regardless. All the old actors are playing new roles.
They're starting over.
I heard his cameo is closer to Walter Peck than Peter Venkman.
They're starting over.
I heard his cameo is closer to Walter Peck than Peter Venkman.
Is Bill Murray gonna be Spock?
Garrett Hawke
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So glad Jurassic World has been knocked off it's position so soon.
Feminism won.
Feminism won.
Bobby Roberts
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It's still another entry in a film series that was dead for 30 years.
Women are taking the fuck over.
BronsonLee
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I would thoroughly enjoy Bill Murray being a shit instead of just being Bill Murray, wacky fellow
...oh shit you're my alt
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I thought it was great and was not familiar with the franchise at all before I saw it.
I was specifically talking about films in the Jurassic World, The Force Awakens, Superman Returns, Indy 4, Terminator Genisys, etc mold.
If you want to get liberal with your definition of 20-30 years later, you can start throwing in things like 21 Jump Street, but that wasn't really going for the same vibe as the films above.
Bobby Roberts
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I don't think it's that fine a difference, really.
I saw someone about a month ago at one of the trades try to coin that "nostalgia sequel" term and thought it was about the dumbest shit. Of course a sequel is going to trade on nostalgia if it can, even if that nostalgia is relatively young/new. It's the whole point of a sequel, period - to play on your fond memories and familiarity of a thing you've already enjoyed once.
When an industry has pivoted towards the power of branding that strongly, for that long, exploiting said brand doesn't need a new name like "nostalgia sequel" or "rebootquel" (Faraci came up with that dumb shit last week, I think) - if anything, that sort of reach is less about accurately describing a trend, and more about making sure you brand said trend.
21 Jump Street wouldn't count because it wasn't a movie series ever.
I saw someone about a month ago at one of the trades try to coin that "nostalgia sequel" term and thought it was about the dumbest shit. Of course a sequel is going to trade on nostalgia if it can, even if that nostalgia is relatively young/new. It's the whole point of a sequel, period - to play on your fond memories and familiarity of a thing you've already enjoyed once.
When an industry has pivoted towards the power of branding that strongly, for that long, exploiting said brand doesn't need a new name like "nostalgia sequel" or "rebootquel" (Faraci came up with that dumb shit last week, I think) - if anything, that sort of reach is less about accurately describing a trend, and more about making sure you brand said trend.
21 Jump Street wouldn't count because it wasn't a movie series ever.
QuantumZebra
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Gotta ask - what's your basis for thinking this? All evidence and interviews say otherwise (that it's a pure reboot, no continuity with the original films).
I don't think I agree. Take the Matrix example we were talking about last page. I think that a direct sequel starring some of the original cast set 20 years later would have a very different draw than a straight up reboot/re-imagining.
People can take or leave reboots based on their quality. Your old story stays finished and the reboot is something separate. Going the direct sequel route (especially with the same cast) decades later at least presents the promise of seeing how the universe/characters you liked evolved over the past couple of decades.
Cynicism mostly. I have no faith that a studio will do a reboot that has the entire original cast in cameos and not be tempted to do some stupid nudge nudge wink wink fan pandering crap.
Yeah, always seemed like Disney was lowballing the Sun # with a big drop for some reason.
Bobby Roberts
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Maybe. But I also don't see as to where a sequel set years later needs any other name but "sequel." There's nothing particularly unique about it, and as your previous examples (and mine) show, it's not like this is even all that new a practice.
It's more about branding than anything, and the attempts to give this "phenomenon" (that's been going on since there's been sequels) a "special" (fucking "rebootquel" ugh) name is just more branding, just from the people covering the films as opposed to the people making them.
I suppose so. I just like sequels that try to do something different rather than act as remixes of the most popular entries in the series. With this year's successes, it's looking like the remix path is the safer bet for bringing back a series/framchise. Hence, I expect them to be more common going forward.
This sort of stuff happens in comics all of the time, and I tend not to like it. Was the Dark Phoenix Saga a landmark X-Men Story? Yes. Do we need to have it being the defining trait of Jean Grey stories for the rest of eternity? No, but x-writers will do that anyhow.
If the future Star Wars films start to shed some of that Original Trilogy baggage and try for a more varied feel, that won't be so bad. The Force Awakens was a good enough series refresher, but I don't really want the next two to be quite as heavy on the OT fan service.
So, this Monday will basically be TFA's first non-Holiday weekday. Avatar did $8mil on this date, a 53% drop from it's Sunday number. Sherlock Holmes did $3mil, a 60% drop from Sunday. Assuming TFA's Sunday actual is more like $21mil, that would lead to an expectation of $8-$10mil on Monday. I'm assuming any number bigger than Avatar's would be a new record.
I was thinking $9M earlier. Avatar has had better drops recently, but $21M would give TFA an extra $4M to work with on that drop.
Tuesday's are stronger now than when Avatar was out, so TFA will probably win that as well. Maybe not Wednesday, but it's hard to tell. $9M. $9M, $7M, $7M would be $32M for the weekdays. I'm guessing that will be within $3-4M of what we end up getting. I am starting to think that I was being too harsh on TFA's coming week as well. I still don't think $50M is happening on a post-holiday weekend that was just over $90M, but we could get $46-47M. IMAX is still holding strong.
Figure $75-80M for the week. $85M if weekdays are really strong, and the weekend does hit $50M.
I think it's a completely shitty thing for them to do and I feel it hurts the movie than anything. It should be related in some way to the originals and not a reboot.
The Matrix didn't need to be R. It's PG-13 tops. It doesn't have any swearing minus a few "shits" here and there. No f-bombs as far as I remember. No gruesome violence. No nudity..well maybe when he comes out of the tank...but you could definitely PG-13 it and not miss anything.
Avatar did $50.3 million next weekend so it's probably TFA's last chance for a weekend record.
JeTmAn81
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Yeah, I'm not even sure why The Matrix was R. Violence, i guess. It would probably be PG-13 today.
Calm waterfall
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Yep TFA won´t surpass Titanic.
Also, from this point forward, Jurassic World made about $150 million. Avatar made... $400 million LOL. TFA is gonna need to split that difference if it wants to reach a billion.
Domestically? It already did. Worldwide, it still has a very good chance. If US+China amounts to 1.2 billion then TFA will almost certainly pass it.
Domestically? It already did. Worldwide, it still has a very good chance. If US+China amounts to 1.2 billion then TFA will almost certainly pass it.
I think TFA will pass Titanic WW, but its not going to reach Avatar (unfortunately).
Really crazy how Avatar made so much money when it was such a dumb film.
At least we can rest easy with the domestic record and let the rest of the world deal with having Avatar being #1.
Really crazy how Avatar made so much money when it was such a dumb film.
At least we can rest easy with the domestic record and let the rest of the world deal with having Avatar being #1.
Calm waterfall
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I strongly believe that the Hateful 8 could have made 20-25 million if the movie was not that long. Jesus, i hate sitting through movies that are much longer than 2 hours.
I am talking WW. Domestic numbers don´t matter much to me.
I am talking WW. Domestic numbers don´t matter much to me.
I missed this. Holy fucking shit.
It should pass it, but we'll know for sure when China opens. The international hold was better than the US (30% drop vs. 40%).
Box Office Mojo is reporting 19M for Sunday.. are these numbers accurate?
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=starwars7.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=starwars7.htm
It's the estimate in the OP of this thread, LOL.
I expect it to sell exceptionally well to a certain crowd...
What are your expectations for China, with regards to SW box office totals?
I love Pixar, but I wasn't a fan of the way it was hamfistedly marketing DA FEELZ.
It was basically this.
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