From the looks of the trailer, production budget is clearly on display.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EJMRIQcGhY
That said, I'm shocked by the actual number.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EJMRIQcGhY
That said, I'm shocked by the actual number.
Chinese market collapse effecting pre-sales? Nah, it's strange it slowed down so quickly though.
And you're annoying as fuck jesus. Definitely the last time I acknowledge your existence.
Not really. There are hardcore Star Wars fans in every country. Same reason Ultron started much higher than Furious 7.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Chimpmunks and Sisters have legs. Is that always true of holiday releases? Seems very odd.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Begone then
The holidays definitely lengthen the lifespan of films that might otherwise just sink. It also might be that there's not much in the way of those sorts of films available, as well - although Sisters now has comp with Daddy's Home.
But a lot of the drops week-to-week since December have been in the 15-30 range for a few films. I don't know that Creed's ever gone below 39%
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
Point Break.
i cant believe it's budget was fucking 105 million... wtf
I watched Force Awakens yesterday for the second time with my brothers and saw the Point Break trailer before, thought "man this looks absolutely dreadful" without knowing it was Point Break. When I saw that it was PB I remembered the numbers and wasn't surprised at all - sad that shit like this not only gets greenlit but also tons of budget
Bobby Roberts
Banned
bullshit.
Telling someone who frequently says stupid shit that they said something dumb isn't a slapfight.
Unless you wanna suggest I'm slapfighting you now. (I'm not)
I had a hunch the whole reason it exists is an executive somewhere was watching Hot Fuzz and remembered they had the rights to it.
Interfectum
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I'd love to see the rationale behind greenlighting $100 mill+ for Point Break reboot. lol
ViewtifulJC
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Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, that's the thing that throws me. 100 mil for an action movie might make sense. But 100 mil for Point Break? It's not a title that holds any real cachet, yunno? And it's definitely not a title that screams "$100 mil budget" considering like 2/3rds of the original looked like it was filmed with 20 bucks and a handycam. Which was part of its stupid charm.
They saw where the other Point Break remake is at, maybe thats why? Studio execs tend to be nonsensical.
They probably thought the visual effects and international flavor could bring in at least $300 million globally. It seems they were wrong but I can see why they made the bet.
The Point Break lineage seems to be an afterthought from the looks of the trailer.
what's the other point break remake?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, that's a really good point, too. But then again, the Fast & Furious movies stopped being even tangentially related to Point Break like, 10 years ago, so either way, they're pretty damned late to the game.
(assuming that's the Point Break remake you're alluding to - unless there's some other Point Break-inspired actionfest on the docket somewhere that I'm missing)
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Oh yeah.
Well, souped cars + Diesel/Johnson/etc are a bigger draw than extreme sports plus whoever they have in Point Break 2015.
That said, $100M on a Fast and Furious movie would have been a waste as well until the fourth one.
"Its like Fast & Furious. But with motorbikes."
I can imagine the cheering in the board room and a exec offering his firstborn.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
That's an interesting question, though: How much were the Fast & Furious movies up until 5?
edit:
F&F 1: 38 mil
F&F 2: 76 mil (jesus, that one looked TERRIBLE too)
F&F 3: 85 mil
F&F 4: 85 mil (the fourth one cost the same as Tokyo Drift. That seems weird to me)
F&F 5: 125 mil
F&F 6: 160 mil
F&F 7: 190 mil
Also, jesus, how many Part 7s this year were successful? F&F, Star Wars, Rocky...
edit:
F&F 1: 38 mil
F&F 2: 76 mil (jesus, that one looked TERRIBLE too)
F&F 3: 85 mil
F&F 4: 85 mil (the fourth one cost the same as Tokyo Drift. That seems weird to me)
F&F 5: 125 mil
F&F 6: 160 mil
F&F 7: 190 mil
Also, jesus, how many Part 7s this year were successful? F&F, Star Wars, Rocky...
Fast and Furious was estimated at 85M. The rest were lower.
From what I found:
1 - $38m
2 - $76m
4 - $85m
Not sure if they're correct. Can't find anything for Tokyo Drift.
TFA with 50% weekly drops from here on: 912M
TFA with 48% weekly drops from here on: 923M
TFA with 47% weekly drops from here on: 945M
TFA with 46% weekly drops from here on: 957M
TFA with 45% weekly drops from here on: 971M
TFA with 44% weekly drops from here on: 983M
TFA with 43% weekly drops from here on: 996M
TFA with 42% weekly drops from here on: 1.01B
TFA with 41% weekly drops from here on: 1.02B
Note these are weekly and not weekend drops.
TFA with 48% weekly drops from here on: 923M
TFA with 47% weekly drops from here on: 945M
TFA with 46% weekly drops from here on: 957M
TFA with 45% weekly drops from here on: 971M
TFA with 44% weekly drops from here on: 983M
TFA with 43% weekly drops from here on: 996M
TFA with 42% weekly drops from here on: 1.01B
TFA with 41% weekly drops from here on: 1.02B
Note these are weekly and not weekend drops.
BronsonLee
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How the fuck did 2Fast2Furious cost anything
$1B DOM seems like a long shot. I think it will take the re-release to do it.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I think if they cross 950 mil at any point, they'll limp it to 1 billion no matter what.
Didn't Avatar get one?
Who is the gentlemen saying "do it"
Best movie in the series breh.
Yeah Avatar only got $30 mill worldwide (I believe the vanilla blu-ray/dvd was already out by then), but who knows what Star Wars would do. Like you said, SW fans are pretty nuts.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
That's Bob Iger
In reality, it will get a big drop this week (especially Mon-Thurs) and then smaller drops in the following weeks. I'm curious to see what happens when Star Wars loses its IMAX screens going into MLK weekend.
That trailer would leak before it even made it to theatres. I think we are past the point where people go to movies for trailers or previews.
I don't think it even has to be just a trailer. That gets online in minutes. Marvel did a 10 minute preview screening of Guardians of the Galaxy a couple of months before release, and I don't recall it really leaking. If they try to pull off something similar with Star Wars I could see it being huge.
Interfectum
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Those were the days though. I worked at a movie theater when the Episode I trailer came attached to Wing Commander. There were people paying to see the movie, watching the trailer and leaving. Shit cray.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Hell, Star Wars actually tried to make "go out to the theaters to watch our trailer" a thing last November, and it didn't work.
The Phantom Menace sorta trained people now writing for entertainment outlets to look at what movies a trailer is attached to as some sort of important step in the marketing, but that practice is more or less pointless now, and reporting on it is reflex action, I think.
Trailers make their big impacts now either on TV, or at conventions, or mostly online, where they can be easily shared and spread.
A re-release where the big hook is "There's a trailer attached to it" isn't going to do anything special. Either they've gotta focus on the theatrical experience being better than your home viewing experience, or they've gotta put extra scenes in the film.
There is an interesting thread on Box Office Theory right now examining Gone With the Wind's peformance in the US by combing over media releases and articles at various points in its lifespan. To sum things up, the figure on Mojo is significantly overestimated.
This is an article from Feb 1940 published in Time Magazine
That road show run talked about above went on for about a year, before a cheaper general release of Gone with the Wind took place in 1941, and then a re-release in 1942.
The first Road show run made $23-24M. Mojo just divides this number by the 1940 average ticket price ($0.24) to get their estimated admissions, and adjusted total for that portion of the run. The problem here, as the article points out, even the cheaper road show tickets were closer to 75 cents at the time of the road show run. Some were over $2 (which would be about the same as paying $37 for a ticket currently using USD inflation).
By the looks of it, it seems like like Gone with the Wind had sold about 95M tickets in the US going into a third general release in 1947.
That works out to just under $800M adjusted using the 2015 average.
Counting in all of its re-releases, Gone with the Wind still might end up being the most attended film of all time in the US (there are some smaller issues with the Adjusted Star Wars number as well, so it is hard to say which one of those are on top), but the adjusted figure isn't over $1.7B.
This is an article from Feb 1940 published in Time Magazine
Time Magazine said:
That road show run talked about above went on for about a year, before a cheaper general release of Gone with the Wind took place in 1941, and then a re-release in 1942.
The first Road show run made $23-24M. Mojo just divides this number by the 1940 average ticket price ($0.24) to get their estimated admissions, and adjusted total for that portion of the run. The problem here, as the article points out, even the cheaper road show tickets were closer to 75 cents at the time of the road show run. Some were over $2 (which would be about the same as paying $37 for a ticket currently using USD inflation).
By the looks of it, it seems like like Gone with the Wind had sold about 95M tickets in the US going into a third general release in 1947.
That works out to just under $800M adjusted using the 2015 average.
Counting in all of its re-releases, Gone with the Wind still might end up being the most attended film of all time in the US (there are some smaller issues with the Adjusted Star Wars number as well, so it is hard to say which one of those are on top), but the adjusted figure isn't over $1.7B.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Now that IS an interesting story.
Someone tip off Mendelsson at Forbes, get his leering image to spread the news.
Someone tip off Mendelsson at Forbes, get his leering image to spread the news.
There's some other cool factoids coming out in that thread. When Gone with the Wind was released, US theatres were seeing a weekly attendance in the range of 80 million. That would be like the modern box office seeing weekly returns of over $650M a week, or close to $35B a year. There were also over double the general release films being made as there is currently.
Granted, even with inflation nobody was spending the equivalent of $200M on films back then, but it looks like the box office was even more sink or swim in the 40s than it is today.
That's not surprising at all. Those GWTW numbers were always suspect.
The adjusted vs actual gross conversation started to gain a lot of traction back when Titanic was blowing by everything. It makes a resurgence every time we have another significant run. The problem is, even if we ignore 5 year initial runs, proper (public) box office documentation for every release only really started to take place in the early 80s.
Doctor Zhivago apparently grossed $111M domestic, but there's not breakdown of where that gross came from. My guess is, like every film of that period, the movie ran on and off for a decade or so, eventually accumulating over $100M in boxoffice.
Mojo just adjusts the entire thing to over $1B domestic using the 1965 average ticket price and calls it a day. #8 of all-time adjusted! Never mind the fact that the film came out during X-Mas 1965, and that the average ticket price in 1966 was 8% higher than that of 1965. Or that over the 5 year span from 1965 to 1970, average ticket price increased by over 50%.
To make it worse, BOM is so big, and has been around so long, that even places like Variety and Deadline just take it at face value when looking up these things.
Yeah the problem is that nobody even bothered to properly track box office back then, right? This is why I find all these figures from old movies like the ones you mentioned a bit unbelievable. Isn't Jaws in fact reported as the first movie to break the 100M barrier domestically? When exactly did GWTW manage to break that milestone? Nobody knows. It just did. At some point in time. Somehow.
The Outsider
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Do we have any actuals for the weekend yet?
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