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Wkd Box Office 12•18-20•15 - Force Awakens does good... gOOOood, opens w/ $248m

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jman2050

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Titanic's 2-5th weekends were all bigger than its opening weekend.I doubt we will see that again in the near future for a film opening over 25 mil.

My mom saw the movie a dozen times. I mean literally a dozen times.

No way that ever happens again.
 
Completely agree; unless people suddenly care about 3D again. I must have heard 20 people I know rave about the movie without saying a single thing... about the movie. Nor have I ever seen the film really influence culture in any way.

Amazing 3D could do really well but I don't think Avatar 1 well.
Half of the first movies gross seems like a decent estimate. Cameron is still Cameron.
 

vinnygambini

Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
People won't admit it now but when that Avatar 2 trailer drops, they will want to revisit Pandora again.

Cameron never disappoints, Cameron is Cameron 🙌
 

MaxDOL

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The emerging markets currencies (Latin American and Asia) dive against the US do not really help Starwar's box office at all.
For example our Thai Baht had taken 12% dive against USD in only just 4 months.
 

Kagari

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People won't admit it now but when that Avatar 2 trailer drops, they will want to revisit Pandora again.

Cameron never disappoints, Cameron is Cameron 🙌

Cameron is a guy who is always pushing technology as well. And his films appeal to a larger demographic (or you get something like Titanic where people saw that movie loads of times because... well, it's Titanic and it's still popular.)
 

duckroll

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People won't admit it now but when that Avatar 2 trailer drops, they will want to revisit Pandora again.

Cameron never disappoints, Cameron is Cameron 🙌

That's not how it works! When the trailer comes out, we first have to make fun of it for some stupid looking design, and then we need to talk about how Cameron has clearly lost it. Only when the movie is actually close to release will we start to realize that he is about to dominate everyone again. Even then, there will be doubt, and when it opens it'll probably be "LOL IT DIDN'T EVEN SET ANY RECORDS!"
 
People won't admit it now but when that Avatar 2 trailer drops, they will want to revisit Pandora again.

Cameron never disappoints, Cameron is Cameron 🙌

Is Cameron still going to use HFR or was it 72fps for Avatar 2? That is what I'm most looking forward to. I think HFR can be good. Too bad it was attached to the crap The Hobbit trilogy.
 
That's not how it works! When the trailer comes out, we first have to make fun of it for some stupid looking design, and then we need to talk about how Cameron has clearly lost it. Only when the movie is actually close to release will we start to realize that he is about to dominate everyone again. Even then, there will be doubt, and when it opens it'll probably be "LOL IT DIDN'T EVEN SET ANY RECORDS!"

that's the gist of it.

god damn though, as much as I am ambivalent on the avatar universe this is a james cameron sequel. his only other sequel films he made (does piranha really count at this point?) are GOAT level.

he'll probably go in some interesting directions with this one. plus i remember being in awe of the teaser when they showed those mountains, still haven't seen CG that impressive. if only he didn't decide to go with that stupid lsd hippy design for the creatures and aliens. it seriously looks goofy as hell.
 

riotous

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Well as pointed out "not coming close to Avatar 1" could still be a big haul; I don't see anyone predicting a flop. We'll see; I certainly won't be salty if I'm wrong I just don't see Avatar 2 doing the "people going to see it specifically in 3D" for weeks on end that Avatar 1 did. It'll be a blockbuster no doubt.

I hope Avatar 2 isn't still planned to be largely underwater. Underwater + image darkening 3D sounds like the absolute worst thing.

Or it's part of what Cameron thinks will set Avatar 2 apart from other 3D films. I personally think Star Wars is/has been the easiest to predict "This movie IS going to break some records" film in a long time; Avatar 2 is much harder to predict IMO.
 

kswiston

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The emerging markets currencies (Latin American and Asia) dive against the US do not really help Starwar's box office at all.
For example our Thai Baht had taken 12% dive against USD in only just 4 months.

Asia didn't seem to really grasp onto The Force Awakens anyhow. Here are the notable opening weekends vs Age of Ultron earlier in the year:

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		The Force Awakens	Age of Ultron	Furious 7	Jurassic World
Hong Kong	$3.6M			$6.4M		$2.5M		$4.2M
Malaysia	$2.9M			$5.0M		$5.7M		$5.6M
Philppines	$4.0M			$7.4M		$2.1M		$5.5M
Singapore	$2.6M			$3.6M		$2.8M		$3.6M
South Korea	$8.0M			$23.0M		$6.9M		$12.4M
Taiwan		$2.4M			$5.3M		$6.6M		$8.2M
Thailand	$1.7M			$4.2M		$4.2M		$3.8M

EDIT: I threw in Furious 7 and Jurassic World as well. Japan is omitted since it has tastes that don't really follow the rest of the countries in east Asia (Big on Star Wars. Hate Superhero films. Furious 7 wasn't anything special, etc.

I think all of this should make people cautious about China's potential.
 

Kagari

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That's not how it works! When the trailer comes out, we first have to make fun of it for some stupid looking design, and then we need to talk about how Cameron has clearly lost it. Only when the movie is actually close to release will we start to realize that he is about to dominate everyone again. Even then, there will be doubt, and when it opens it'll probably be "LOL IT DIDN'T EVEN SET ANY RECORDS!"

I doubted Avatar and even disliked the movie! All the trailers looked so bad back then.

So bad.
 

duckroll

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I doubted Avatar and even disliked the movie! All the trailers looked so bad back then.

So bad.

I remember going to one of those "Avatar Day" free 3D preview teaser screenings and it was so empty and the designs were so weird that I thought it would be the hardest sell ever. The tech was great, but it just had bomb written all over it.

Just shows that I don't know shit about the true power of Cameron! :(
 

wachie

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I remember going to one of those "Avatar Day" free 3D preview teaser screenings and it was so empty and the designs were so weird that I thought it would be the hardest sell ever. The tech was great, but it just had bomb written all over it.

Just shows that I don't know shit about the true power of Cameron! :(
I went with my friends and they pointed out the designs were lifted from lord Krishna .. basically the same meh reactions.
 

duckroll

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Asia didn't seem to really grasp onto The Force Awakens anyhow. Here are the notable opening weekends vs Age of Ultron earlier in the year:

Code:
		The Force Awakens	Age of Ultron	Furious 7	Jurassic World
Hong Kong	$3.6M			$6.4M		$2.5M		$4.2M
Malaysia	$2.9M			$5.0M		$5.7M		$5.6M
Philppines	$4.0M			$7.4M		$2.1M		$5.5M
Singapore	$2.6M			$3.6M		$2.8M		$3.6M
South Korea	$8.0M			$23.0M		$6.9M		$12.4M
Taiwan		$2.4M			$5.3M		$6.6M		$8.2M
Thailand	$1.7M			$4.2M		$4.2M		$3.8M

EDIT: I threw in Furious 7 and Jurassic World as well. Japan is omitted since it has tastes that don't really follow the rest of the countries in east Asia (Big on Star Wars. Hate Superhero films. Furious 7 wasn't anything special, etc.

I think all of this should make people cautious about China's potential.

Isn't a lot of that simply due to the exchange rate? For example, in the Summer the Singapore dollar was worth almost 0.76 USD at the peak, and now it's at like 0.70 USD. In terms of actual performance, Star Wars is most definitely not doing worse than Ultron here.
 

kswiston

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Isn't a lot of that simply due to the exchange rate? For example, in the Summer the Singapore dollar was worth almost 0.76 USD at the peak, and now it's at like 0.70 USD. In terms of actual performance, Star Wars is most definitely not doing worse than Ultron here.

That's not a big enough change to make much of a difference. If you adjust the currency it would be $2.6M TFA vs $3.3M AoU (pretty much the percentage difference between Star Wars' domestic opening and Age of Ultron's domestic opening, but in reverse). And that was by far the closest two.
 

vinnygambini

Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
That's not how it works! When the trailer comes out, we first have to make fun of it for some stupid looking design, and then we need to talk about how Cameron has clearly lost it. Only when the movie is actually close to release will we start to realize that he is about to dominate everyone again. Even then, there will be doubt, and when it opens it'll probably be "LOL IT DIDN'T EVEN SET ANY RECORDS!"

You're right! I got the 'lol blue people' reaction covered, don't you worry!
 

duckroll

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That's not a big enough change to make much of a difference. If you adjust the currency it would be $2.6M TFA vs $3.3M AoU (pretty much the percentage difference between Star Wars' domestic opening and Age of Ultron's domestic opening, but in reverse). And that was by far the closest two.

Hmmmmmm. I dunno. It's probably just personal anecdote creating a bias here but I just don't feel like Ultron doing way better than Star Wars reflects the reality of what I'm seeing. General excitement, sold out screenings when I'm booking tickets, merchadising being eaten up everywhere. It's so weird. :/
 

kswiston

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Hmmmmmm. I dunno. It's probably just personal anecdote creating a bias here but I just don't feel like Ultron doing way better than Star Wars reflects the reality of what I'm seeing. General excitement, sold out screenings when I'm booking tickets, merchadising being eaten up everywhere. It's so weird. :/

You live in Singapore?
 

vinnygambini

Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Is Cameron still going to use HFR or was it 72fps for Avatar 2? That is what I'm most looking forward to. I think HFR can be good. Too bad it was attached to the crap The Hobbit trilogy.

I've heard about that, I'm not sure what's the status on that but Cameron is deeply involved with technology so there will definitely be something 'new' to the movie industry that he'll be bringing.
 

kswiston

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Film distribution has changed a lot, so admissions comparisons are just as skewed outside of maybe a 10 year gap.


Ya, I'm not sure why it would feel different than what the numbers suggest. I checked to see if AoU opened on a Tuesday or something like it did in China, but it opened on Thursday. Same as Star Wars.
 
Asia didn't seem to really grasp onto The Force Awakens anyhow. Here are the notable opening weekends vs Age of Ultron earlier in the year:

Code:
		The Force Awakens	Age of Ultron	Furious 7	Jurassic World
Hong Kong	$3.6M			$6.4M		$2.5M		$4.2M
Malaysia	$2.9M			$5.0M		$5.7M		$5.6M
Philppines	$4.0M			$7.4M		$2.1M		$5.5M
Singapore	$2.6M			$3.6M		$2.8M		$3.6M
South Korea	$8.0M			$23.0M		$6.9M		$12.4M
Taiwan		$2.4M			$5.3M		$6.6M		$8.2M
Thailand	$1.7M			$4.2M		$4.2M		$3.8M

EDIT: I threw in Furious 7 and Jurassic World as well. Japan is omitted since it has tastes that don't really follow the rest of the countries in east Asia (Big on Star Wars. Hate Superhero films. Furious 7 wasn't anything special, etc.

I think all of this should make people cautious about China's potential.
It's a little confounding for me. I haven't bothered to do much research to see if December legs are great for Asian releases (outside of Japan, anyway) too, but a cursory look at the Hobbit films doesn't suggest so. I still think $1.5 billion overseas could happen based on the sheer strength its showing on Europe and others, but anything more than that is gonna be very difficult if China doesn't buck this trend.
 

MrDaravon

Member
(Finally) saw this today at a 3:20 showing, theater wound up about 90% full. Probably about 30% or so kids which makes sense since school here is out for the holiday, but still goddamn. Super curious to see how this does this week, I still think even with positive word of mouth SW just isn't as big internationally to beat Avatar WW, but I think it might take it domestically with maaaaaybe beating Titantic WW for the #2 spot. I think it releasing late in China is probably going to kill any chances of that though, and that's assuming it's huge there which I don't know that it will be.
 

kswiston

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Star Wars has no shot at Avatar worldwide. I think we should just set the target at $2B. If it gets there before Worldwide grosses have slowed to less than $25M a week, we can start talking about the possibility of taking Titanic for #2.
 

duckroll

Member
Ya, I'm not sure why it would feel different than what the numbers suggest. I checked to see if AoU opened on a Tuesday or something like it did in China, but it opened on Thursday. Same as Star Wars.

Films don't open on odd days here. It's always Thursday. Honestly, it's probably just the Christmas season creating that feeling lol.
 

Oersted

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Asia didn't seem to really grasp onto The Force Awakens anyhow. Here are the notable opening weekends vs Age of Ultron earlier in the year:

Code:
		The Force Awakens	Age of Ultron	Furious 7	Jurassic World
Hong Kong	$3.6M			$6.4M		$2.5M		$4.2M
Malaysia	$2.9M			$5.0M		$5.7M		$5.6M
Philppines	$4.0M			$7.4M		$2.1M		$5.5M
Singapore	$2.6M			$3.6M		$2.8M		$3.6M
South Korea	$8.0M			$23.0M		$6.9M		$12.4M
Taiwan		$2.4M			$5.3M		$6.6M		$8.2M
Thailand	$1.7M			$4.2M		$4.2M		$3.8M

EDIT: I threw in Furious 7 and Jurassic World as well. Japan is omitted since it has tastes that don't really follow the rest of the countries in east Asia (Big on Star Wars. Hate Superhero films. Furious 7 wasn't anything special, etc.

I think all of this should make people cautious about China's potential.

Didn't Yo-Kai Watch beat Force Awakens?
 

mcfrank

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Seeing it imax tomorrow at 12:30. There are 184/600 seats still available according to the website. I would imagine they will have at least 100 walk ups, so you are looking at a 12:30 Tuesday showing 90+% selling out.
 
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