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SnakeswithLasers
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And it's also basically their version of talent specs, right?Rapstah said:
I mean, personally, I wouldn't mind being hard-restricted to x number of abilities, just so I didn't feel like a slacker for only having ~20 keybindings.
SnakeswithLasers
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I don't know about useless, but I wasn't exaggerating with 20 keybinds...Twig said:
1-6
Sh+ 1-3
Q, E, R, T, G, Z, X, C, V
Sh+ Q, E, G, V
And I still struggle to find places for things. It sucks for a few reasons:
1. I play on 5-7 characters pretty regularly so it gets CONFUSING AS HELL
2. Finding a place for an ability that I might REALLY NEED but only VERY RARELY USE is a nightmare. For example, I don't have a spot for Master's Call on my hunter. But it would be really helpful in those PVP situations when I'd need it--but adding it to my bars would mean getting rid of something else that I'd potentially need.
Seems to me like a good cleaning up of skills that included combining some would make a lot of sense. It really irks me how druids have 2 different versions of everything. And they don't get separate top action bars for forms. Leads to a LOT of macros--which is needlessly complicated for the user.
Well, useless is relative in this context, but, yeah, I can see you understand what I mean. Hah.
There are a lot of skills I just never use, but that's more to do with the talents I've chosen than the fact that they're ACTUALLY useless. But, why can't "mortal strike" just do different things based on my stance or spec? Replace bloodthirst, devastate, and mortal strike with a single skill that does a different thing based on stance/spec and bam, less bloat.
That's a HORRIBLE example, of course, but hopefully you get the picture. U:
There are a lot of skills I just never use, but that's more to do with the talents I've chosen than the fact that they're ACTUALLY useless. But, why can't "mortal strike" just do different things based on my stance or spec? Replace bloodthirst, devastate, and mortal strike with a single skill that does a different thing based on stance/spec and bam, less bloat.
That's a HORRIBLE example, of course, but hopefully you get the picture. U:
Let's say a few tiers go by. A new 85 will need a certain gear score to enter random queues to farm the previous tier set to do the most recent raids. But, he doesn't need to equip each piece of gear he gets ASAP. He could keep every piece in his bag until he's ready to do raids. If you get a full group of people that just meet the item level requirement, it's still possible to down the bosses.SnakeswithLasers said:
After a few pvp season, a person in quest greens can immediately enter random BG's. He's gonna get his ass kicked. Tons of people like him will queue hour by hour and you will have a lot of weak links that stand no chance in any given battle.
I guess one required set is not appealing to people that like to upgrade gear, but the battle master could attest equip people with a 15 piece scrub set only usable in random battlegrounds that updates each season or something. Maybe there is also craftable gear that updates each season.
SnakeswithLasers
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I like that idea... You go ahead and patch it in.Twig said:
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Is there a breadcrumb into Twilight other than the Warchief's Commands?
edit: oh, nevermind, the Warchief's Commands lead you right to it.
edit: oh, nevermind, the Warchief's Commands lead you right to it.
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Well, I hit Level 85 right on cue as I completed the quest to overthrow the Dragonmaw Chief.
Yay. There's something really weird about having a level 85 character for me. It wasn't that long ago I hadn't even played an MMO.
Yay. There's something really weird about having a level 85 character for me. It wasn't that long ago I hadn't even played an MMO.
HarryHengst
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I'm leveling a holy priest solely through the dungeon finder. It's an interesting way to level, and i have to say that it's not as bad as i expected it to be (at level 50 so far). Guess it helps that the dungeons arent especially hard, but still. Only Scholomance guaranteed to cause multiple wipes in a run.
Cant wait ro reach level 60 though, so i can do some archeology on the side, especially once 4.0.6 hits with the increased value of the artifacts. While it's not terribly slow so far (about 3 dungeons a level up so far)
Cant wait ro reach level 60 though, so i can do some archeology on the side, especially once 4.0.6 hits with the increased value of the artifacts. While it's not terribly slow so far (about 3 dungeons a level up so far)
charlequin
Banned
Rez said:
I would bet money that the scenario is something like this:
- Different people in the gameplay design team disagree on whether it would make sense to split PvP and PvE effects of abilities.
- Doing that would be a huge step and would lead to a huge number of discoverability, accessibility, and UI issues (with tooltips being a shorthand for those.)
- These problems would be solvable, but it'd be a huge amount of work to do so
- It'd also be a huge amount of work to actually just solve the different PvP and PvE issues that this sort of thing is holding back now, and to decide just how different an ability could be between the two modes.
- Even if Blizzard decided today to take this step and jump in with both feet, settling all this would take ages -- probably it'd get rolled into the big system changes that will inevitably appear in Patch 5.0.1 with the next expansion because they'd be too big to make mid-expansion.
- That means that they can't just do it, and they can't honestly say "well we're thinking about it" because people will spaz out and never shut up about it, they can't explain their real thinking because that'd also create a mess of people debating the issue that isn't settled internally yet.
- That leaves the obviously incomplete answer of "tooltips" as a way of dismissing the question they can't answer fully in public while they continue to debate the correct solution to the problem internally.
charlequin
Banned
Dance In My Blood said:
That's really not sustainable in a game where PvP and PvE are both supposed to be full content sets that players can participate in, though. I wouldn't want to raid with people who are only there to leech off gear to make them leet in PvP or run battlegrounds with AFKers who want an easier route to sweet epixxx.
See, how do you even address this? Healing is definitely not overpowered in PvE right now.
What's the best way to make money with Enchanting these days? The only non trainer patterns I have are all of the twilight highland heavenly shard patterns.
Some of the most expensive scrolls I see on AH are Hurricane, Mongoose, Berserking, Healing Power, Heartsong, Superior Potency.
Not sure how many things I can solo as a rogue for patterns. If there are BOE boss patterns my blood DK can do the job.
Also not sure what dream shard patterns I should pick up.
Some of the most expensive scrolls I see on AH are Hurricane, Mongoose, Berserking, Healing Power, Heartsong, Superior Potency.
Not sure how many things I can solo as a rogue for patterns. If there are BOE boss patterns my blood DK can do the job.
Also not sure what dream shard patterns I should pick up.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I just didn't use half those abilities until I went out and bought a Razer Naga. It's kind of a ridiculous, expensive solution, but it does give you on demand non-uncomfortable access to all your abilities.SnakeswithLasers said:
notworksafe
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Potency and Berserking are great patterns to make money on right now. Some people are too cheap to get the Cata level enchants on non-epic weapons so they'll use Wrath level ones for the time being.DeathNote said:
Mongoose is also a very easy enchant to get for any class, really. BC raid enchant drop rates seem to be set near 100% since a few patches ago so there won't really be any farming.
Healing Power will take a bit more work as Vanilla raid enchants didn't seem to get a buff in drop rate as but it's very much worthwhile because it is the best SP enchant for heirlooms, so there will always be a call for it no matter what.
I believe the Healing Power enchant is BOE, but the BC enchants are BOP.
Thanks. Any other must have weapon enchants? Excluding the heirloom list. http://www.wowpedia.org/Heirloomnotworksafe said:
notworksafe
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Fiery Weapon is cheap to both acquire and make. Many early players get it as it's a cheap way to make your weapons look cool. The gathering ones aren't bad for making a quick buck on either.
Almost anything on the heirloom list is guaranteed money, of course. Wrath and BC level mats are going for pretty decent prices on my server right now too, so if you can solo instances to farm gear, that'd probably make you some gold too. Might as well check all the material prices, as leveling mats can be a great way to gouge people.
Almost anything on the heirloom list is guaranteed money, of course. Wrath and BC level mats are going for pretty decent prices on my server right now too, so if you can solo instances to farm gear, that'd probably make you some gold too. Might as well check all the material prices, as leveling mats can be a great way to gouge people.
DeathNote said:
Crusader
Lifestealing
+4 stats
+100hp
+15agi
+29sp
+30sp
These are usually in demand for heirloom gears/leveling toons.
Cheap cata scroll enchants sell fast, plus the mats are not too intensive to get (+35 str, +50haste, etc). The hefty enchants are probably out of your realm right now because maelstrom crystals are a fortune still, and will be for at least another 2 months until stuff gets DE'd all the time by guilds, and even then they may keep them in guild.
As long as PVE and PVP co-exist, they'll never balance it. Example:
DK's:
Big DPS nerfs across the boards, most abilities seeing a 15-20% nerf. Thus, PVP will be effected negatively considering there is less damage now, and necrotic strike got hit hard with a nerf. The mobility will not make up for it considering how you have to go about getting it to work.
So by targetting pve talents for nerfs, it has a massive effect on PVP as well. It can't be balanced.
DK's:
Big DPS nerfs across the boards, most abilities seeing a 15-20% nerf. Thus, PVP will be effected negatively considering there is less damage now, and necrotic strike got hit hard with a nerf. The mobility will not make up for it considering how you have to go about getting it to work.
So by targetting pve talents for nerfs, it has a massive effect on PVP as well. It can't be balanced.
cuevas. PhD.
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J-Rzez said:
For it to be as functional as it is says a lot of blizz, they do a good job.
Yeah, really love my Razer Naga. When you can access lesser used but needed abilities on the fly it can just be a huge boon to how you play. Now I can actually Heroic Leap all over the place and the ability is awesome (when it works).Angry Grimace said:
It worked in vanilla WoW, so it's already proven that it is sustainable. They don't need to be full content sets, that was something worked in and something that discourages the playerbases from merging together. PvP gear should also come back and have it's uses in PvE, but Blizzard is afraid to reward PvP players because it's just a timesink rather than a skill level check beyond rated BGs. We do see some people using PvP weapons and other items to fill in gear gaps right now though, it's just something I want to see expanded upon.charlequin said:
And people already AFK in BGs all the time for loot. It's a really big problem right now because the only punishment is a 15 minute deserter buff if you get caught even 100s of times.
Re-implement the healing debuffs to their original status, hand them out to more classes as needed, and try to make them something that stacks over time like the Fury warrior debuff. It's probably the most balanced way to make healing less effective over time. Also, the Paladin nerf will help (because some PvE healing is overpowered).charlequin said:See, how do you even address this? Healing is definitely not overpowered in PvE right now.
"Worked."Dance In My Blood said:
You need the quotes.
In vanilla, people who raided were ridiculously overpowered compared to - and got gear a lot faster than - people who exclusively did PvP. If you didn't want to do PvE, you would get destroyed, because the PvP gear took much longer to get.
(This was after Battlegrounds were introduced, of course.)
EDIT: I don't want this post to be taken as a "Twig wants PvP and PvE to remain completely separate!" sort of deal, because I don't. I'm just pointing out that it's not as simple as you apparently think it is.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
This is somewhat inaccurate/misleading.J-Rzez said:
The reason why many Unholy abilities (i.e. Death Coil) are seeing a "nerf" is because Dreadblade overcompensates for them. Their damage is being decreased somewhat, but not that much.
Yeah, it sounded familiar, which is why I added that line about sarcasm. Though rereading it, it's not obvious I'm not trying to be hostile.Alex said:
Still, there are people who would say that and mean it during vanilla and I wanted to stab them. But I couldn't because the only raiding I had done was a couple world bosses and Molten Core, which was enough raiding to last me a lifetime, until I finally got over it and am now enjoying raiding in Cataclysm. (Actually I enjoyed it in Wrath, too, but had to quit playing due to real life, so didn't get to enjoy more than Naxx.)
Angry Grimace said:
We don't know this just yet as it wasn't functioning on the PTR the way it was intended to (last i checked). So as of right now it doesn't look too good. We'll have to wait and see basically on Live if mastery is going to really be worth that much. Even in optimum circumstances, Str and Haste will reign supreme, but perhaps, and that's a big but perhaps, mastery will be at least of value to crit as it stands. Regardless, it still hurts in pvp because many situations classes have shadow protection / resist aura, and magic immune abilities. And thus our ghoul damage and 5% str nerfs are pretty hurtful.
It's always interesting to see what happens when these patches hit because either you're in fotm good shape, or you need to suffer for a good couple months, sometimes seasons.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's somewhat disingenuous to make it sound like an across the board, definitive nerf (of that size) is incoming when the compensation isn't not working as intended. But it's true that mastery isn't rising to the top of the pile, and that the spec is being nerfed overall. But to be fair, it was itself a FOTM super OP class in PvE as it was. Now it's only slightly OP.J-Rzez said:
Also, got my Cenarion War Hippogryph; took about ~5 hours.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You made a post to complain of a petty grammatical irritant, yet failed to either capitalize or use punctuation.Twig said:
wonderdung
Member
Scrow said:
I'm not sure if you can do it in one macro, but if you use the WoW equipment manager it'd be something like:
/equipset [spec:1]Frost; [spec:2]Unholy
/usetalents [spec:1] 2; [spec:2] 1
I don't use the WoW equipment manager so I've never tried this.
charlequin
Banned
Angry Grimace said:
My wife just got hers and I am jealous
-Separate PVP and PVE skills. There is no debate on whether this is good or not. If people are crying no on the team, make them play some games with good PVP. Have them come back learneded.
-No more Resil. No more PVP Gearing. Have a base set of PVP gear with easy access. Make PVP about skill instead of grinding for gear! *GASP*
-Improve spell targeting finally. Spell targeting needs to auto follow and not fail if someone jumps over your head near the end of a cast.
-How to change between PVE and PVP? Lower spell cast times and lower effectiveness. Make physical conditions removable. Remove the PVE intended crowd control skills from PVP. They stick out likea sore thumb. Less stuns! *gasp*
-Ditch Arena for gods sake. Focus on larger scale where your class imbalance issues are covered up.
-Part of the problem with rated BGs is you don't know what BG you are getting into, so you can't set up your team properly. Battle for Gilneas may make you want three healers while WSG will want two healers more likely. Do you want to be winning or losing because you brought a comp for one BG but got another? That's just chance.
-Remove all cost from respeccing.
Probably more as well. At this point, Blizz just humors PVPers to not lose every single one of them to another game.
-No more Resil. No more PVP Gearing. Have a base set of PVP gear with easy access. Make PVP about skill instead of grinding for gear! *GASP*
-Improve spell targeting finally. Spell targeting needs to auto follow and not fail if someone jumps over your head near the end of a cast.
-How to change between PVE and PVP? Lower spell cast times and lower effectiveness. Make physical conditions removable. Remove the PVE intended crowd control skills from PVP. They stick out likea sore thumb. Less stuns! *gasp*
-Ditch Arena for gods sake. Focus on larger scale where your class imbalance issues are covered up.
-Part of the problem with rated BGs is you don't know what BG you are getting into, so you can't set up your team properly. Battle for Gilneas may make you want three healers while WSG will want two healers more likely. Do you want to be winning or losing because you brought a comp for one BG but got another? That's just chance.
-Remove all cost from respeccing.
Probably more as well. At this point, Blizz just humors PVPers to not lose every single one of them to another game.
notworksafe
Member
Sadly I doubt Arena is going anywhere. It's an eSport in Korea (on TV etc etc) and Blizz is pushing it hard to get even more cash money.
Also I'd be okay with respeccing cost sticking around if Blizz gave us a 3rd talent spec.
The rest I agree with.
Also I'd be okay with respeccing cost sticking around if Blizz gave us a 3rd talent spec.
The rest I agree with.
cuevas. PhD.
Member
etiolate said:
What specifically are you talking about? SCII? FPS's?
cuevas. PhD.
Member
The things you are comparing are way too different. Maybe if you were talking about Guild Wars or Warhammer Online (Haven't played these, just using them as examples). There is nothing for WoW to gain from counter strike.
notworksafe
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I only ever watched one tournament (3v3 and boring as fuck, but I never liked Arena so I'm a bad judge) but it had pretty good attendance from the crowd shots. So it's hard to tell how much they care. Either way Blizzard will keep pushing it and the Koreans will eat it up because it's Blizzard.etiolate said:
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