I like this.
So you earn 1000 somewhat quickly, then cut your gains by 50% after the cap?
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I like this.
So you earn 1000 somewhat quickly, then cut your gains by 50% after the cap?
Gentleman Jack
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People already have a reason to play the game forever: Sigils of Power/Wisdom and Sha-Touched weapons.
This is just another ladder to climb. A completely optional one, at all levels of gear. It's a means by which you fill gaps in your gear that poor luck with boss drops has created.
Robin64
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What if they didn't let you upgrade whatever the current tier is?
So you're running the second tier of MoP in 5.2 or whatever, but you're just not getting your pieces. You've got way too much VP though, so you can upgrade some gear you do have, making you a little better than when you started the tier.
Once you get your gear from that tier, you don't have to worry about upgrading it because you can't.
Would that appease the hardcore raiders in here?
So you're running the second tier of MoP in 5.2 or whatever, but you're just not getting your pieces. You've got way too much VP though, so you can upgrade some gear you do have, making you a little better than when you started the tier.
Once you get your gear from that tier, you don't have to worry about upgrading it because you can't.
Would that appease the hardcore raiders in here?
Gentleman Jack
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I chuckled.
I was thinking closer to 75%, but yeah. The hardcore are going to complain if they can't progress, so just making sure they can't progress too fast is the ideal solution.
And it's one that I'm not even going to use until I'm done spending Valor on actual gear. You can't buy enough upgrades to make 476 gear better than the VP 489 pieces, which is what I was waiting to see. Now I know I can safely spend Valor on armor and forget about upgrading the 476 LFR stuff. The 483 LFR tier pieces, though, I can see upgrading those once they're out in the wild since the tier bonuses might make them superior pieces.
Gentleman Jack
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The problem with open-ended valor gain + valor upgrades means that valor points becomes Yet Another Upgrade Tax. Just like enchants, gems and reforging, you must now invest Valor Points into every upgrade because it's possible. And because something is now possible, it will be assumed when Blizzard creates more cutting-edge content for the crazies. It's power creep in the purest sense of the word.
Keeping some kind of cap (doesn't have to stay 1000/week, 3000/total) puts a lid on that insanity.
The hardcore are going to be doing it anyhow, and the casual probably don't even hit the valor cap every week. I really don't see the issue, it's just moving the time commitment to whenever the user feels like.
Putting a cap on it doesn't remove the so called "power creep." It just makes it take longer.
Trickster
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That would be something I would be fine with actually. My main issue with the current upgrade feature is the fact that there will never be a week where I don't have to farm.
All good points....
I know why the cap is there, it's definitely not the end of the world.....
I dunno, my next statement is completely subjective and of course prone to vicious ridicule, but I detest any seemingly arbitrary barrier to progression.
Like, killing a boss in an instance? He's dead, won't be back for a week, that "feels" fine.
Killing a boss again in LFR and not getting anything because I already killed him? More annoying, but I knew that going in. The message that shows what you WOULD HAVE gotten if you were loot eligible is a hilarious kick in the balls, but it made me laugh.
Having quest rewards reduced / changed or reducing the prize of completing a dungeon or a raid because of an arbitrary cap? Again, I know why it's there, but it's so...
Inelegant.
I know why the cap is there, it's definitely not the end of the world.....
I dunno, my next statement is completely subjective and of course prone to vicious ridicule, but I detest any seemingly arbitrary barrier to progression.
Like, killing a boss in an instance? He's dead, won't be back for a week, that "feels" fine.
Killing a boss again in LFR and not getting anything because I already killed him? More annoying, but I knew that going in. The message that shows what you WOULD HAVE gotten if you were loot eligible is a hilarious kick in the balls, but it made me laugh.
Having quest rewards reduced / changed or reducing the prize of completing a dungeon or a raid because of an arbitrary cap? Again, I know why it's there, but it's so...
Inelegant.
Gentleman Jack
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The real issue is that it will divide guilds that do it from guilds that do not do it, as well as divide content designed for either side of that divide.
Guild that doesn't grind out valor every week = too weak for new content tuned around guilds that do.
Guild that does grind out valor every week = new content not tuned around such behavior is trivialized.
This is crappy for both sides of the wall. The cap means that the content doesn't have to be tuned around such behavior, because nobody will be able to trivialize it and nobody will have to do it to overcome the content.
I think you're overestimating the effects of these upgrades via Valor. Also, the setup you described is how it already is anyhow. You can say "nobody will be able to trivialize it" but the hardcore already do and they're going to continue to do so regardless of the limitations in place.
Gentleman Jack
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Top-100 guilds live and die by their 1%, 15 seconds past-enrage kills. Without them they whine about Dragon Soul for most of a year. Marginal upgrades on 10/25 players is where those kills live, so yes they become mandatory.
Top 100 guilds are not terribly relevant and a small faction of the player base. They're not even who the game caters to anyhow. Let them whine.
Dragon Soul had far greater problems than them progressing through it too fast.
On a related note, methinks if we must keep the cap, 2500 VP sounds like a reasonable number. Cutting the time down from six months to roughly one and a half.
Yeah, and? That's how it always has been and always will be.
eudaemonic
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Man, I just wanna say... fuck the rare spawns with a "chance" to drop a rare pet. Fucking Nalash. If I happen to find and kill the fucker, I should be able to have the damn pet like Jadefang. 1 in 10 chance can suck my Tauren teet.
Interesting.
I'd like the difference between hardcore guilds and regular builds to get smaller, not larger? That's just me though.
you haven't sacrificed characters to the sim craft gods like the real freakinchair has
I stick with my class through THE GOOD AND THE BAD
Don't know what they're doing to WW monks but chi wave is ridiculously good for self healing in PVE.
Well, that was no fun
>Yoshi goes to pub
>Drinks 0 alcohol
>Goes home and plays WoW
Dammit Yoshi.
The Lamonster
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When I've been drinking, the only thing I can seem to do in WoW is run dungeons.
Shining Sunshine
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Well, that was no fun
>Yoshi goes to pub
>Drinks 0 alcohol
>Goes home and plays WoW
>Buys alcohol in-game and drinks it
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
That's hilarioush, I would never do such thingsh... hic!
I am going to a hockey game tonight so won't be on till a bit later. :3
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
Instead of adding new VP items, they just simplified it and made them upgradeable.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
,_, Ok...
don't be late
Trickster
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We're not at a new tier of content yet, so obviously they are not adding new VP items yet.
Sir Abacus
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We didn't even get two new dungeons of recycled content either.
Plenty of dailies though.
SuperAndroid17
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Are there any serious PVP GAFers?
Looking to set up a RBG real soon or is there one yet? We should definitely get a GAF group going
HORDE
Looking to set up a RBG real soon or is there one yet? We should definitely get a GAF group going
HORDE
Shining Sunshine
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I can be serious. ~RAWR~
If it starts coming together, I'm a goblin resto Shaman with the entire Dreadful set.
SuperAndroid17
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I wouldnt mind setting it up , pretty tired of sitting on the sidelines. I was a gladiator rogue s3 and gladiator priest s4. Arena burned my team , we quit. Sold my account on markee dragon thinking I was done playing for good.
Made another account... my original friends quit for good. Never found competent PvPers ever again.
Forever duelist.
Anyway , I'd like to start PvPing again... maybe under the GAF name? hmmm?
RoninChaos
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so if he had an item he wanted to give me, we can't do that? DAMN.
No gold, nothing? What about enchants?
Trickster
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Definitely sounds like something that goes agains't their "let everyone see all the content" philosophy.
*facepalm*
Talk about killing a feature dead in the water before it's even launched.
I've always been a firm believer that their "philosophy" is bullshit. They've never stuck to such a philosophy in the past, what reason do they have to stay consistent now?
It means the richest people on the server will pay out of the ass to buy the invitation off the Black Market, then turn around and sell invites to other people for a high price. The Rich get Richer and the poor get... well no immediate access to the feature.
This is also a fantastic example of Blizzard once again trying to reinvent the wheel.
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