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I'm a little confused about the amount of people who were legitimately super mad when the Kirin Tor WQ came up and there were only 2 quests available. Even if it takes 3-4 days to complete the Emissary is that really a big deal? I guess if you didn't want to do any other Emissaries at all or something, or were planning to leave and be away for exactly 4 days after Kirin Tor came out... When I did mine and I saw only two I went "oh well, I'll see tomorrow", never even factored in my mind to even care slightly about this. I understand the people that were mildly confused, but mad? There's no rule that says the emissary HAS to be completed in one day... It was a mild inconvenience at best (that became a mild convenience for alts now that you don't have to do any hah)

I mean, the whole point of the emissary quests is to allow that sort of flexible play, right? Daily quests that you don't have to log in to do daily. I know that's how I approach it.

Mad might be a stretch, but I can understand annoyance. Actually have a friend who is in the exact hypothetical you mentioned and won't be able to turn these in. He isn't mad, but he was definitely annoyed that he wasn't able to complete it.

Of course, we now know that more Kirin Tor quests probably weren't going to pop anyway (at least to the level Blizzard was comfortable with), hence the hot fix.
 

Lomax

Member
I guess I just assumed they'd have some mechanic that made it so you could always complete a emissary quest at any time if you wanted to. Thus my perception that the availability of certain quests was tied to the emissary being available. Guess that would have made too much sense to actually build into the game. Honestly, their creation of "pseudo-random" content this expansion has been the biggest fail. Just set the emissary chests up on a rotation. It was like the Kosumoth mount not being available in NA forever, or arms artifact appearance that just "happened" to never appear. You'd think in 12+ years they'd have figured out that fake randomness is better than actual randomness, but they clearly haven't.
 
I guess I just assumed they'd have some mechanic that made it so you could always complete a emissary quest at any time if you wanted to. Thus my perception that the availability of certain quests was tied to the emissary being available. Guess that would have made too much sense to actually build into the game. Honestly, their creation of "pseudo-random" content this expansion has been the biggest fail. Just set the emissary chests up on a rotation. It was like the Kosumoth mount not being available in NA forever, or arms artifact appearance that just "happened" to never appear. You'd think in 12+ years they'd have figured out that fake randomness is better than actual randomness, but they clearly haven't.

I think that is how it's supposed to work and that it's clearly bugged in this case, likely related to the tinkering with the Kirin Tor quests since 7.1.

The only other time I've been unable to finish an emissary right when it popped was due to me clearing the zone the day before (or hours before, in some cases, like when maximizing Nightfallen rep). Seems like that is the system, it's just bugged.
 

v1perz53

Member
They're obviously supposed to be completed in one day since that's been the case since day one and they went as far to hotfix it so you didn't have to wait 4 days to do it. No Kirin Tor dailies even came up today, so if we got unlucky, we wouldn't even be able to complete it.

I mean, yea they all have been completable in one day before, but my question is why is it a big deal if one isn't? They don't go anywhere. If no Kirin Tor quest popped for 50 days then 2 more did, you would technically still be able to complete this emissary as long as you never went more than 2 days without doing your other ones. If you wait too long, you lose your single chest and 1500 rep. That would be stupid, but again it just confuses me that people are legit furious about this (not in this thread, mostly on WoW forums, MMO champ or reddit. I guess the fury is what I don't understand.

I mean, the whole point of the emissary quests is to allow that sort of flexible play, right? Daily quests that you don't have to log in to do daily. I know that's how I approach it.

Mad might be a stretch, but I can understand annoyance. Actually have a friend who is in the exact hypothetical you mentioned and won't be able to turn these in. He isn't mad, but he was definitely annoyed that he wasn't able to complete it.

Of course, we now know that more Kirin Tor quests probably weren't going to pop anyway (at least to the level Blizzard was comfortable with), hence the hot fix.

Yea, I definitely understand annoyed, I was more talking about some of the vitriol being spewed on the WoW forums about incompetent devs that are retarded and should kill themselves over this absolutely minor near inconsequential issue. And to be honest there were people here that said this somehow was the last straw in not renewing, which also confuses me. Are there people so bothered by letting a single Emissary rot if that is what it comes down to? Guess I'm just glad I'm not that hardcore anymore.

I guess I just assumed they'd have some mechanic that made it so you could always complete a emissary quest at any time if you wanted to. Thus my perception that the availability of certain quests was tied to the emissary being available. Guess that would have made too much sense to actually build into the game. Honestly, their creation of "pseudo-random" content this expansion has been the biggest fail. Just set the emissary chests up on a rotation. It was like the Kosumoth mount not being available in NA forever, or arms artifact appearance that just "happened" to never appear. You'd think in 12+ years they'd have figured out that fake randomness is better than actual randomness, but they clearly haven't.

I guess I just don't see why it matters. Kosmuth mount wasn't available for forever, then it was, then people had it. It was weird and a 4/100 on the annoying scale that it took that long, but it was fine. This is similar, weird and a 11-12/100 on the annoying scale, but to be quite substantially mad about it just baffles me. Honestly, I don't think it would be worth the dev time to make sure things like this or Kosmuth never happened, they just aren't things that matter enough. Other sources of random in this game, though, like legendaries and power differences that make more of a gameplay impact are much more frustrating to me, and those are the things that need be addressed quickly or people can be legitimately frustrated over.

tl;dr - Sure, Kirin Tor emissary being uncompletable was weird and annoying. But people on WoW forums were telling Devs to kill themselves over this, that is what I don't understand. Or people unsubbing because of this (or this even factoring into unsubbing).
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
I mean, yea they all have been completable in one day before, but my question is why is it a big deal if one isn't? They don't go anywhere. If no Kirin Tor quest popped for 50 days then 2 more did, you would technically still be able to complete this emissary as long as you never went more than 2 days without doing your other ones. If you wait too long, you lose your single chest and 1500 rep. That would be stupid, but again it just confuses me that people are legit furious about this (not in this thread, mostly on WoW forums, MMO champ or reddit. I guess the fury is what I don't understand.

I can't speak about people being furious but it's completely understandable why people would be annoyed by this. No one wants to wait around 50 to maybe do emissary quests, they're set up to be compatible in one day and when things break down and that's not possible, people are going to be annoyed. Blizzard saw that this was an issue and fixed it, I don't get why you think something that is the norm should stop being the norm just because it doesn't bother you.
 
Yea, I definitely understand annoyed, I was more talking about some of the vitriol being spewed on the WoW forums about incompetent devs that are retarded and should kill themselves over this absolutely minor near inconsequential issue. And to be honest there were people here that said this somehow was the last straw in not renewing, which also confuses me. Are there people so bothered by letting a single Emissary rot if that is what it comes down to? Guess I'm just glad I'm not that hardcore anymore.

I'm not going to defend anything like calling the devs stupid, lazy etc (or all the stuff that is much worse). That's all ridiculous.

I do sort of understand something small like this factoring into your decision to unsub, though this particular one wouldn't for me. Whenever I've quit an MMO, it's never been about one thing, but upwards of dozens of smaller things that add up over time. If a Kirin Tor emissary is the sole reason or a big reason, then sure, that's ridiculous, too
 

Magnus

Member
Lol at people flipping out over the Kirin Tor issues. WoW is such an enormous game. Bugs will creep in. Legion is amazing, and the volume of content compared to the fairly sparse bugs is worth it. (IMO)
 
I'm a little confused about the amount of people who were legitimately super mad when the Kirin Tor WQ came up and there were only 2 quests available. Even if it takes 3-4 days to complete the Emissary is that really a big deal? I guess if you didn't want to do any other Emissaries at all or something, or were planning to leave and be away for exactly 4 days after Kirin Tor came out... When I did mine and I saw only two I went "oh well, I'll see tomorrow", never even factored in my mind to even care slightly about this. I understand the people that were mildly confused, but mad? There's no rule that says the emissary HAS to be completed in one day... It was a mild inconvenience at best (that became a mild convenience for alts now that you don't have to do any hah)

The entire point of emisarries is to be flexible. Want a gold one, two order resources one and some honor? You can do that and swap around as needed.

With the Kirin Tor its not like that (and you were forced to do the awful Like the Wind quest) and if you wanted to get the thing done before the hotfix you had to run Arcway. That's just not in line with how WQs have worked.
 

Lomax

Member
Lol at people flipping out over the Kirin Tor issues. WoW is such an enormous game. Bugs will creep in. Legion is amazing, and the volume of content compared to the fairly sparse bugs is worth it. (IMO)

While I agree the content is worth it, to say bugs has been sparse I'd disagree with. Basically every world boss has been broken when it released (or sometime during the week). There's still massive issues with being stuck in combat. The list goes on and on. I'm not exaggerating when I say it's the buggiest I've experienced since vanilla (though of course nowhere near as bad as it was then). Yes, it's nice to have tons of content pushed out regularly. But like we were discussing earlier, the frustration level continues to build every time yet another thing happens that is broken (like this Kirin Tor thing), and should the flow of new content slow, I think you're going to see the damn of that frustration break pretty quickly.
 

Lain

Member
I'm a little confused about the amount of people who were legitimately super mad when the Kirin Tor WQ came up and there were only 2 quests available. Even if it takes 3-4 days to complete the Emissary is that really a big deal? I guess if you didn't want to do any other Emissaries at all or something, or were planning to leave and be away for exactly 4 days after Kirin Tor came out... When I did mine and I saw only two I went "oh well, I'll see tomorrow", never even factored in my mind to even care slightly about this. I understand the people that were mildly confused, but mad? There's no rule that says the emissary HAS to be completed in one day... It was a mild inconvenience at best (that became a mild convenience for alts now that you don't have to do any hah)

I'd say Emissary are meant to be completed in a day. That's why a new one comes out every day. The fact they give you 3-4 days of time (Emissary quests have a timer, so I assume after the timer to complete runs out, the quest is gone) to complete one is simply to allow for the people who can't log on every single day and can only play a few hours a day.

I can't speak for others, but I'd say that it matters what part the World Quests and the daily Emissary quest occupy in your activity.
If they are just a little part of your day to day activity in WoW, maybe something you do during your downtime, then yeah, it is just a mild inconvenience if you can't complete an Emissary quest (maybe at all) because you have other things to do (and other sources of rewards).
For me, WQs are what I spend most of my time in WoW on and why I keep playing. They're repetitive but I can tackle them alone and at my own leisure and I always get something out of it, be it some gold, some resources or maybe a little upgrade. Emissary caches are my daily chance at a leg. Not being able to complete (maybe at all) an emissary quest because (in this case) Blizzard messed with the pop rate and chances of specific WQs is pretty annoying to me. I'm not going to get mad over it but I can't say I don't understand why some would get more angry over it, for a reason or another.

The entire point of emisarries is to be flexible. Want a gold one, two order resources one and some honor? You can do that and swap around as needed.

With the Kirin Tor its not like that (and you were forced to do the awful Like the Wind quest) and if you wanted to get the thing done before the hotfix you had to run Arcway. That's just not in line with how WQs have worked.

I've read some posts mentioning Arcway having a Kirin Tor WQ today, but I had no Arcway WQs lol. Such a weird situation.
 

Xeteh

Member
Lol at people flipping out over the Kirin Tor issues. WoW is such an enormous game. Bugs will creep in. Legion is amazing, and the volume of content compared to the fairly sparse bugs is worth it. (IMO)

The reactions of "HOLY SHIT THIS GAME IS SO BROKEN WHAT THE FUCK" that have been popping up blow my mind. They don't have however many million people bug testing constantly, so when changes happen things they don't expect likely go wrong.

Shit happens, get over it.
 
The reactions of "HOLY SHIT THIS GAME IS SO BROKEN WHAT THE FUCK" that have been popping up blow my mind. They don't have however many million people bug testing constantly, so when changes happen things they don't expect likely go wrong.

Shit happens, get over it.

yeah like

when legion came out, it broke the Mists of Pandaria farming-using the hoe didn't work because it wouldn't harvest the crops anymore.

WoW is a massive game, and little things can break things in something completely unrelated. It happens
 

Tarazet

Member
I've read some posts mentioning Arcway having a Kirin Tor WQ today, but I had no Arcway WQs lol. Such a weird situation.

Yeah I noticed that it was highlighted. The text doesn't say that it works for the KT faction, but it does. Yet another bug playing into the confusion. Between the quests themselves being in completely asinine locations, the bug that was teleporting and killing players at random, and the general break in pattern for this time around.. I don't know what they were thinking. I just want my enigma boxes back and the problem is solved. Instead they have to give people a free cache? Seems bizarre. Do they not have the ability to activate world quests by hotfix?
 

Xeteh

Member
I've read some posts mentioning Arcway having a Kirin Tor WQ today, but I had no Arcway WQs lol. Such a weird situation.

It might have expired earlier, not sure. I did it yesterday and helped a friend do the quest today (US servers) but it did in fact count towards Kirin Tor for some reason.
 

Strimei

Member
I don't know about you guys, but personally I appreciate that they not only hotfixed it, but that they hotfixed it on a Sunday, and one that's part of a holiday weekend, no less.

I wasn't expecting anything until Monday.
 

Xeteh

Member
I don't know about you guys, but personally I appreciate that they not only hotfixed it, but that they hotfixed it on a Sunday, and one that's part of a holiday weekend, no less.

I wasn't expecting anything until Monday.

I do too except the hotfix is kind of busted. I logged on my shaman to turn it in but I can't, so I tried to do a KT WQ and its still busted. I'm sad.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
I mean, yea they all have been completable in one day before, but my question is why is it a big deal if one isn't? They don't go anywhere. If no Kirin Tor quest popped for 50 days then 2 more did, you would technically still be able to complete this emissary as long as you never went more than 2 days without doing your other ones. If you wait too long, you lose your single chest and 1500 rep. That would be stupid, but again it just confuses me that people are legit furious about this (not in this thread, mostly on WoW forums, MMO champ or reddit. I guess the fury is what I don't understand.
They do go somewhere...they expire after three days. The system is set up in the same way dailies are set up in Hearthstone or HotS where the 24 hour timer is deemphasized so players do not feel obligated to play every single day. Someone should be able to show up two days after they've had an emissary quest and be able to complete it or it becomes a false bread trail that crumbles in their hand. Yes the chests and rep are mostly worthless for most players, bit for many this is one of the more consistent rolls on Legendaries that a vast majority of the player base feel like they are falling behind on. It is an embarrassing design oversight from a needless hot fix to make Kirin Tor quests show up at all times, and it is emblematic of the careless bug testing Legion seems to be a dramatic victim of. In a vacuum this problem alone is not a big deal but guess what I am thinking about when I am waiting minutes to load or have to when I have to restart my client because the loading bar did not show up! only to log in to my character being in a completely different zone than I left it where I have to travel through long load screens again?

For many people it is not okay for the game to be like this when they pay $15 a month for it. Vitriolic hate aimed at the developers is obviously never right, but Blizzard's community outreach is abysmal and they are terrible about listening to constructive feedback, so what other outcome is really imaginable?
 

Shahadan

Member
I'd like to complain about Valsharrah. I hate it so much. The number of times I've been stuck or blocked because of rocks, vines, roots, trees, bushes, or fucking random wooden fences everywhere for no reason, made me ignore any WQ or emissary quest there.
It's Tanaan jungle shit tier.
 
I mean, yea they all have been completable in one day before, but my question is why is it a big deal if one isn't? They don't go anywhere. If no Kirin Tor quest popped for 50 days then 2 more did, you would technically still be able to complete this emissary as long as you never went more than 2 days without doing your other ones.

That's not how it works. You have three days to do an emissary, it doesn't matter if you do any others or not.
 

Dugna

Member
Got the fire mage legendary bracers on my Alt Mage, so overall the freebie kirin tor cache was a welcome thing today lol.
 

Xeteh

Member
That's what makes it worse.

I'm a Monk right now! ; ;

Have you tried yelling "HI-YA" everytime you use an offensive ability? It might help.

In all seriousness I have no real experience in Legion PVP aside from the odd BG. WW Monks are seemingly pretty strong but I'm the wrong person to ask.
 
Have you tried yelling "HI-YA" everytime you use an offensive ability? It might help.

In all seriousness I have no real experience in Legion PVP aside from the odd BG. WW Monks are seemingly pretty strong but I'm the wrong person to ask.

I should try that.

I'm honestly not all that worried about it. I'm playing the long game for artifact appearances and extra AP gains. In the six+ years I've been playing this game though, I've probably PVP'd more in the past two weeks than I have since I started.

But man, I got rolled hard tonight every time I was out by myself. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.
 

Xeteh

Member
I should try that.

I'm honestly not all that worried about it. I'm playing the long game for artifact appearances and extra AP gains. In the six+ years I've been playing this game though, I've probably PVP'd more in the past two weeks than I have since I started.

But man, I got rolled hard tonight every time I was out by myself. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.

Maybe but BGs aren't exactly the measurement you should use. PVP is a different game, even if you just play PVP casually, don't take losses as an indicator of how good you are. If you're pvp'ing for the hidden artifact color unlock or trying for the PVP skin through prestige, just take it at your own pace. Don't get frustrated by it.
 
So, yesterday I decided to buy game time and go back to it (I still haven't bought Legion), and I feel.... confused.

- The Skills have been redone? I think that as a draenei hunter I had an attack skill that generated focus, but I can't find it anymore.

- The second difference I find, although maybe unrelated... I am in Ashenvale, and now it's when I have started dying, same for my pet and health does not regenerate at fast speed. Is this because beyond a certain level (23, currently) the game stops treating you like a newbie or maybe I was using novice equipment that gave high regeneration?
 

Dugna

Member
So, yesterday I decided to buy game time and go back to it (I still haven't bought Legion), and I feel.... confused.

- The Skills have been redone? I think that as a draenei hunter I had an attack skill that generated focus, but I can't find it anymore.

- The second difference I find, although maybe unrelated... I am in Ashenvale, and now it's when I have started dying, same for my pet and health does not regenerate at fast speed. Is this because beyond a certain level (23, currently) the game stops treating you like a newbie or maybe I was using novice equipment that gave high regeneration?

They reduced the passive regen at lower levels to make lvling a bit harder, also which spec of hunter are you?
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Focus works like Energy now, and will regenerate by itself, capping at 120.

I have no idea why you're dying you should be able to 3-4 shot mobs at that level. Is your weapon up to date? Are you wearing Mail? Are you using mend pet to keep your pet up?
 
They reduced the passive regen at lower levels to make lvling a bit harder, also which spec of hunter are you?

Marksmanship, I think. It's been 8 months since I played as a novice and I barely remember anything. I'm playing solo (no friends even in internet), still leather armor and with whatever weapon they give me on completing quest. Also found that one of the skills now requires me to stay still.

I never had to use mend pet until yesterday. back in April the pet felt as if it was made of steel.
 

Mothman91

Member
Joined a guild that is 2 bosses into Mythic progression. I need some tips/help so I don't look like shit on Wednesday. Considering I afk/watch shows while doing heroics every week now. think I'm a little rusty with some proper content.
 

Acidote

Member
Joined a guild that is 2 bosses into Mythic progression. I need some tips/help so I don't look like shit on Wednesday. Considering I afk/watch shows while doing heroics every week now. think I'm a little rusty with some proper content.

What bosses? Nythendra is so so easy that must be one of them. Your class and spec?
 

1.09

Low Tier
Hopefully you won't continue to afk/watch shows during mythic raids.

Take an hour out of your day to watch fatboss, they've got pretty comprehensive and easy-to-follow guides on all of mythic emerald nightmare.

https://www.youtube.com/user/FatbossTV/videos

Other then that, just make sure you have good awareness of your surroundings and your dbm timers. And most importantly, remember to have fun and not over-stress yourself.
 

mclem

Member
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He's one of the mobs that pallies can reveal as demons with Truthguard. It's usually fun to chat to each of 'em.

Surprisingly, "Hugh Mann" in Dalaran does in fact appear to be genuine.
 

Mupod

Member
Guildie got a legendary from the free Kirin Tor emissary, lol.

Anyways we finally got heroic Odyn. We went in there expecting it to be a nice break from mythic EN and realized about a million wipes in that maybe we would have killed a bunch of EN stuff if we'd done that instead. But we got him. Constant tank deaths in P3 were very frustrating considering how long the fight is, but it has fun mechanics overall. My mythic+/karazhan speedrun healer got a 99 percentile (#27) ranking on it, guy is nuts.

Got a socketed 880 haste/vers chest off Odyn that nobody else wanted, which means I'll finally get the Nightbane chest this week. We still haven't done much mythic+ this week...figures that on sanguine/overflowing ezmode week all the americans are busy with thanksgiving.
 

Son1x

Member
Anyone got the Win the Crows quest from class halls missions? Supposedly you have to win 5 ranked arena matches, but even after winning 8 its still not finished.
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
Question. Why is it domestic abuse?

I was thinking if I have an ex-boyfriend I'm mad about, and I want to punch a dummy lookalike of him.

If you had a dummy of an ex that you used to beat on I would probably tell your ex to call the police and get a restraining order.
 

Renekton

Member
If you had a dummy of an ex that you used to beat on I would probably tell your ex to call the police and get a restraining order.
Yikes times have changed.

It used to be in comedy sitcoms or series where a character was upset and punched some balloon model for a one-off venting, it does not necessarily mean it will translate to actual violence.
 
Welp it was a good run with this expansion. As a non-raider, I've just run out of stuff to keep me locked in. Until next time I get that urge to run dungeons.
 
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