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World of Warcraft |OT9| People still play this? Isn't it from 2004

Moff

Moff

Member
pff, be glad, at least you don't ge a lame flying disc

ridicoulus, but I don't expect anything else from blizzard, mage sets have always been the lamest of the bunch, why change with the mounts
 
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Data West

coaches in the WNBA
Moff said:
pff, be glad, at least you don't ge a lame flying disc

ridicoulus, but I don't expect anything else from blizzard, mage sets have always been the lamest of the bunch, why change with the mounts
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lamest of what? cause it sure ain't balance with being blizzard's favorite class
 
Moff

Moff

Member
as I wrote, the sets, maybe I wasn't clear enough, but I didn't mean the stats on them, I meant the design of them
 
C

Carpe Libertatem

Member
I'm starting to have faith in Blizzard again. I thought 7.1 was a good step, but was still skeptical. Love the idea of small, medium, and large patches.

Time to wait and see if they follow through on it.
 
D

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
This had better be the monk set for 7.2
hearthstone_gadgetzan-3.gif
 
S

Sarcasm

Member
Torturing myself trying to get a color unlock for a hidden in a spec I don't really play... =(


I need help with feral rotation...Icy Veins isn't enough.
 
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Tarazet

Member
Sarcasm said:
Torturing myself trying to get a color unlock for a hidden in a spec I don't really play... =(


I need help with feral rotation...Icy Veins isn't enough.
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I haven't played Feral this xpac, but it always used to be keep your buffs up, keep your bleeds up (applied with those buffs active), in that order. Refreshing them early can be a DPS loss because of snapshotting.
 
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Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
can the withered chest drop legendaries?
 
H

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
A simple but substantial upgrade for the mage mount would simply be a giant orb of magic color-coded to the Mage's spec underneath the disc. Arcane Orb for Arcane, Meteor for Fire, and Frozen Orb for Frost would be enough.
 
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Xeteh

Member
Been struggling with what spec to play on my Hunter, I keep bouncing between Marks and Survival. I've leveled both artifacts up to 21 because I keep switching between them... but I just pulled the Multi Shot legendary out of an emissary chest so the decision was made.
 
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Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
odds on the new druid owl form being rideable?
 
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erawsd

Member
ToyMachine228 said:
So what are the Rumbles that got announced at BlizzCon? Single raid boss encounters that are queueable?
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Rumbles are a feature of the Brawlers guild. You dont queue for them specifically, they just randomly spawn and drag in everyone who is in the Brawlers queue.
 
Maximus.

Maximus.

Member
ElyrionX said:
Umm so I started playing this last week and started with a Night Elf Mage. I am now level 9 but leveling has slowed down a lot and the gameplay is extremely repetitive (see enemy, cast Frostbolt and Fire Blast, rinse and repeat) and the quests uninteresting. Am I missing something here?
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Levelling up is a grind. If you have the resources to invest in heirlooms, you can level up much faster. It is going to feel very repetitive until basically level 100. Before this expansion came out a friend and I levelled from 1 to 110. It does get better as you go along and do dungeons and other things.
 
R

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
so they said they will bring heroics and mythics up in difficulty and rewards to stay relevant to the higher ilvl by the time 7.2 rolls over.

you reckon heroics will drop 840 and mythics 860 for example?
 
E

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
3-3

Don't fucking let me down, Cdew. I believe in you.

[edit]

Goddamn, I can't believe they lost that. The dream is dead.
 
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dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Makareu said:
WoW arena being exciting in 2016. I didn't see that coming.
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I mean...it is probably better than where it was at before but it seems way too heal-centric in its current state. Too many all or nothing defensives that negate burst windows so the games really stall for long periods of time. Finals in particular exposed these weaknesses, where people stopped playing anything CC based. In the end all a team comp can do is pressure an enemy down with high sustained output with just enough burst to push through. Results also show that the 7.1 changes were completely off base for PvP balance so they still have a long way to go.
 
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Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
I've played WoW for 6 years and I still can never really follow WoW arena but I really got into it this year just because of Cdew. Wouldn't have watched it if it wasn't for that.
 
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Magnus

Member
Is there interest in having me post anything from the WoW Legion panel in half an hour? I can basically post every couple mins with whatever's been discussed.

I know MMO usually live blogs that shit, but it comes up a bit late...yeah?

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Also, yeah, I have no idea how to fucking watch WoW arena. So confusing. Lol.
The commentating is crazy. The number of abilities/spell names alone to have to remember....Jesus.
 
M

Makareu

Member
dimb said:
I mean...it is probably better than where it was at before but it seems way too heal-centric in its current state. Too many all or nothing defensives that negate burst windows so the games really stall for long periods of time. Finals in particular exposed these weaknesses, where people stopped playing anything CC based. In the end all a team comp can do is pressure an enemy down with high sustained output with just enough burst to push through. Results also show that the 7.1 changes were completely off base for PvP balance so they still have a long way to go.
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Hum perhaps. I have only watched the finals, but I thought healing was actually in a good place. Strong enough (combined with defensive utilities) to avoid being zerged, without being completely binarie. If I am not mistaken, a critical FH / GH is more or less a 1/4 of the healthpool.
As for the overall balance betweeen all classes / specs, this is never going to happen.
 
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dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Makareu said:
Hum perhaps. I have only watched the finals, but I thought healing was actually in a good place. Strong enough (combined with defensive utilities) to avoid being zerged, without being completely binarie. If I am not mistaken, a critical FH / GH is more or less a 1/4 of the healthpool.
As for the overall balance betweeen all classes / specs, this is never going to happen.
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I don't really see seven or eight minute matches as being acceptable. The mana pools of healers stretch maybe twice as fas as they should. The healing situation is what limits WoW's PvP meta more than anything else, and to me it is just a binary thing of one team breaking through the others healing throughput. The dominant specs of Demo, BM, Feral, and Enhance speak to the limited strategic decision making when most of the match is just pushing damage out consistently enough that you can blow defensive CDs without wasting many offensive ones. Arena is really just a competitive format that has a very limited reach. Short term the healing needs to be dealt with but long term the mode needs to die off for small team objective gameplay to come up as what Blizzard balances the game around.
 
1

1.09

Low Tier
dimb said:
I don't really see seven or eight minute matches as being acceptable. The mana pools of healers stretch maybe twice as fas as they should. The healing situation is what limits WoW's PvP meta more than anything else, and to me it is just a binary thing of one team breaking through the others healing throughput. The dominant specs of Demo, BM, Feral, and Enhance speak to the limited strategic decision making when most of the match is just pushing damage out consistently enough that you can blow defensive CDs without wasting many offensive ones. Arena is really just a competitive format that has a very limited reach. Short term the healing needs to be dealt with but long term the mode needs to die off for small team objective gameplay to come up as what Blizzard balances the game around.
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How's demo 'dominant' just because it won game7 because it counters kitty/shadow comp in 7.0

Also realize that toptier blizzcon meta doesnt compare to high rated pub meta, and as a general rule of thumb blizzard is much more concerned about their public and their subscribers vs their arena pros. Look at representation and meta in pubs before making such a reaching claim imo, and while split pressure and general dmg output was the key in blizzcon, burst windows and cc chains are much more prominent in pubplay, which is where you see classes like mage, shadow, assassination, ret.
 
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Makareu

Member
dimb said:
I don't really see seven or eight minute matches as being acceptable. The mana pools of healers stretch maybe twice as fas as they should. The healing situation is what limits WoW's PvP meta more than anything else, and to me it is just a binary thing of one team breaking through the others healing throughput. The dominant specs of Demo, BM, Feral, and Enhance speak to the limited strategic decision making when most of the match is just pushing damage out consistently enough that you can blow defensive CDs without wasting many offensive ones. Arena is really just a competitive format that has a very limited reach. Short term the healing needs to be dealt with but long term the mode needs to die off for small team objective gameplay to come up as what Blizzard balances the game around.
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OK, I understand. It is just that we don't have the same expectations. For me, a 8-10min match is the good lenght. Enough to have several rounds of cooldowns, without being a drag.
 
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dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
1.09 said:
How's demo 'dominant' just because it won game7 because it counters kitty/shadow comp in 7.0

Also realize that toptier blizzcon meta doesnt compare to high rated pub meta, and as a general rule of thumb blizzard is much more concerned about their public and their subscribers vs their arena pros. Look at representation and meta in pubs before making such a reaching claim imo, and while split pressure and general dmg output was the key in blizzcon, burst windows and cc chains are much more prominent in pubplay, which is where you see classes like mage, shadow, assassination, ret.
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Demo showed up at the tournament a good amount. It is not just a simple counter, it proved itself as a very consistent pick along the way. Players on live are limited in how they can pivot to other classes, so stuff like assassination staying popular does not mean that much, particularly when it is still a spec that focuses on consistent output and not CC chains or burst when stacked against the other rogue specs. The substantial shift in the meta from 7.0.3 to 7.1 only goes to prove that consistent numbers is really all that matters, and a class either has those or it does not.
 
R

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
that moment your 5th guy doesnt show up and you cant do Kara

;_;
 
M

Magnus

Member
Ion just confirmed on the Blizzcon stream that "at some point in patch 7.3, you will be going to Argus".

Confirmed colour variants for the class mounts based on spec. Shadowy Owlcat mount for shadow priests, fireballs trailing from the Mage disc if you're Fire, etc.
 
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Nozomi

Banned
Some interessting infos in here and even more content coming with 7.2 that was not mentioned.

BlizzCon 2016 - World of Warcraft: Legion - Design Retrospective
Keep refreshing for the latest updates.

Ion Interview
Some class mounts will change colors based or have special effects on your active spec
It wouldn't be surprising if Inscription got a mount at some point

Broken Shore
The team started with concept art of Azsuna in the Broken Shore.
Early on there was coral, ancient elven ruins, and undersea life. There was significantly less demon influence in the original concept, with the Tomb being much more pristine.
There were more significant path crossings for the Alliance and Horde, having the Horde and Alliance passing over each other on a bridge.
The original Broken Shore intro took 2-3 hours and didn't feel like it was telling the story the team wanted to tell.
The pristine elven tomb off in the distance didn't work.
The team created a Legion Fel Citadel that felt like a new version of the Legion, never seen before, strong enough to kill of some of the main characters.
Concept artists came up with a Fel City. A giant space that the Legion rapidly took over, killing off major heroes.
You will be able to experience the pristine version of the Tomb in Patch 7.2.

Demon Hunter
The team started talking about doing a Demon Hunter back in Burning Crusade.
Within a few days the team had a basic Demon Hunter built into the game for Legion. This allowed them to have the team playtest the Demon Hunter, make changes, and continue the feedback loop.
After a few weeks of Demon Hunter testing, the team went back to look at core philosophies.
Lots of people were going to try the Demon Hunter, so it needed to be easy to learn. The team limited the number of abilities to those that would fit on a single bar. This helped the team keep on target when they were surrounded by so many cool ideas.
Eye Beam came from a discussion about the Illidan fight, Eye Lasers! The first iteration was a beam from you to the target and it did some damage. Next the team added a hover and had the beam follow your cursor around, doing damage. It didn't feel very heroic to hover in one spot, as most mobs don't move. Next the team added even more, but it felt like the ability was doing too much. It was then split into Fel Barrage and Eye Beam.
Fel Rush started as a charge towards the target with lots of damage at the end. The team first removed the targeting, turning the ability into a short and very quick dash with the ability to rush over obstacles. Unfortunate it resulted in players lifting off on the slopes in the starting area, falling right to their death. The engineers looked at Mega Man to solve this problem. If you are in the air you stay in the air and dash and if you are on the ground you stay on the ground.
Metamorphosis was originally just a damage bonus, but you didn't really feel the effect of it. The team quadrupled the damage and it still didn't feel right. They realized that the ability needed a visual change as well, adding an Illidan leap, haste bonus, and putting the damage bonus into two abilities.
Two of Three Legion accounts have made a Demon Hunter. 30% of those characters have been leveled to 110. Kayn is the choice for 73% of players. 7.5% of Demon Hunters have Illidan puns in their name.

Artifacts
The Artifact needed to be the single most powerful thing that you have ever equipped.
There were examples of items from the Lore such as Ashbringer and Doomhammer to provide examples of Artifacts.
The team started by building Ashbringer as the first weapon. It had to be purely for Retribution paladins, so each spec would end up needing a weapon.
Originally the Ashbringer had a three prong tree with three flashy abilities at the end of each prong.
As soon as you pick up Ashbringer, you had to make a choice that drastically impacted your experience through the game, having to read all of the traits. To solve this the team tried adding tiers of power, requiring you to unlock each tier before moving to the next. This solved the problem of having too much choice, but removed all of the choice. Next the team tried an arc that you started at one point with and then went around, but this didn't solve the problem either. Ashbringer was prominently featured in this UI, so they took the weapon and used it as a constellation layout for the traits.
The team then needed to decide what Ashbringer does when you pick it up. The team looked back at legendary weapons, as they had been the pinnacle of power before now. These legendary weapons had a really strong passive, so the team used this model for the Artifact weapons. Player feedback was that their gameplay hadn't changed when they equipped their weapon. The team then moved to adding an active ability, giving you the power to activate it. This also allowed them to add nice visuals for the active ability, as you had chosen to activate the power and wouldn't be doing something else.
The Artifact then needed to grow and change with you. Experience was the first iteration here, giving your weapon experience as you earned it. You very quickly would diverge from your friends, where you couldn't play together. Leveling solves this problem with caps, so the team tried caps. This didn't solve the problem, as you had no reason to play once you hit the cap. The next iteration is the one that went live, Artifact Research helps you to stay reasonably close in power to your friends but still rewards you for playing.

PvP
There are lots of hardcore WoW players that never tried PvP. Originally the team figured that those players just didn't like competitive games. This turned out to be wrong, so the team talked to the community. Originally they thought gear was the problem, putting a wedge into the community.
First the team tried removing the influence of gear from PvP. This solved a lot of the problems with gear, but gear should define your character and increase your power. Next the team tried making everyone the same item level, similar to Challenge Mode dungeons. This allowed gear to have some meaning, but you can't pursue getting better gear. The team didn't want people to get one set of gear and then just focus on trinkets and set bonuses, so they tried a hybrid approach. Your stats are set but your gear provides as small boost.
Honor Talents allowed the team to make some fun talents that you couldn't have in PvE. These talents were probably something only PvP players care about, so the team added some cool rewards to the honor system that would interest all players.

Professions
Professions needed to be more than just recipes, so they decided to add quest lines. They started with Blacksmithing and Mining. With Mining you might find a cool rock and bring it back to your trainer and they teach you to mine it more efficiently. The team then realized that all of the quest lines were overwhelming and filled up your quest logs. Having to deal with six profession quest lines would be too much. Secondary professions could have less quest lines
Underlight Angler started off as a joke, but then we got a fishing pole Artifact!
Dalaran fishing raids were intended. The team hoped that players would figure out that all of the players fishing together would be more lucrative.
Garrison fishing raids became a problem, so the team built a hotfix. Before it was deployed the team realized people are playing together in their garrison, which was pretty cool. It is important to protect the value of the rare items, so the team let it slide until Broken Shore came out. This philosophy was also applied to other exploits that resulted in players working together, allowing them to stick around a little longer.
Nomi gave you a reason to check in to Dalaran every few days. Unfortunately the system wasn't very clear as far as how to progress. Badly Burned Food was added as a grey item to vendor for gold when you didn't earn something. The team was able to fix this by changing the name of the item, but by the time that fix was ready everyone recognized him and it would not be a good change. Now he just has lots of room to learn and grow!
Herb and Mining nodes are shared between up to 10 players. You can make a little Herbalism raid!
Skinners didn't get the shared nodes and the experience got a little worse. A fix for this is coming in the future!
Recipe ranks allowed you to continue to progress, which is nice, but a lot of the one star recipes were behind long quest lines and two star ones were on vendors in Dalaran. This wasn't great.
Oliterum was okay, but obliterating an item didn't provide a satisfying experience.
Crafting and Gathering should remain viable throughout this expansion.
Patch 7.1.5 brings the Obliterum cap to 865, along with more quests and progression.
By the end of the expansion you may not even be gathering from the same gathering nodes anymore.
Maybe crafted legendary items along with the new crafted items coming in the future.

World Quests
Design goals: Daily/World quests should tell a story, either continuing an existing story or creating a new story. You shouldn't feel like you had an overwhelming number of things to do, such as having 20 daily quests you needed to go and do. You should feel like you an active participatng in the world, where logging in at the start and end of the day gave you different things to do.
Mists had a variety of content, but not a lot of variety in rewards.
The team wanted to use the entire continent for quests, not just small daily quest areas.
The team took level up quests, changed up the objectives, making the content feel a little different.
Rare spawns are fun to fight when leveling, so added additional abilities and difficulty so you can use them again at max level.
The team also looked at using PvP in PvE with the PvP world quests, both Warden Towers and the FFA arenas.
Other aspects of the game were added to world quests, battle pets, trade skills, dungeons, and more.
First question, how many icons should be on the map? How long should the quests take? How long should you have to travel between the quests?
First the team created a test world quest route with instructions for people to test. It felt like a great iteration on daily quests, so more rounds of iteration brought us to what we have today.
The team wanted to vary both the content and rewards of world quests. You could have the exact same world quest two days in a row, but the different reward might change which quests you do, providing varied gameplay.
The team made 50 or so world quests but players didn't want to do all 50 world quests. The team took Hearthstone's daily quest system and made the emissary system, sending you to a different zone every day.
The emissary quests, differing rewards, and differing quests provide a unique adventure for you every day.
The team wanted to do more scenarios like the Highmountain one.
They also wanted to do class quests, Legion Invasion points, summonable bosses, rare world quests similar to Huolon, or regional world quests. All of these will be part of Patch 7.2.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/6092-BlizzCon-2016-World-of-Warcraft-Legion-Design-Retrospective
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v1perz53

Member
Ion said:
Two of Three Legion accounts have made a Demon Hunter. 30% of those characters have been leveled to 110. Kayn is the choice for 73% of players. 7.5% of Demon Hunters have Illidan puns in their name.
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How is it possible that 73% of DH players are so horribly wrong! Who wants the damn blind *lolthepun* follower of Illidain vs the guy who can actually think for himself (and who the hell wants
shade of Akama over real Akama
??? I didn't see Kayn letting me ride his Nether Drake in TBC either...
 
H

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Come on, of course most of the people who stuck with their edgelord class would choose the edgelord follower.
 
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