The biggest problem is when you invest a certain amount of time and you realize how much time has passed, yet you are not even close to hitting the next level. That's when the mentality of "I am wasting my time, this shit is taking forever" kicks in.SquirrelNuckle said:
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Dungeons are pretty much a waste of time when leveling IMO. Do HF/BT complete (get the achievement) and then go do the other zone. Transition into DB and then GH. You should be 77 by then and can jump straight to whatever zone you want (depends on class at this point where you can/should go).
I do one random daily on my warrior but it's because queue times for tank are instant. And with rest it's like 15% of a level, maybe more. At this point I will hit 80 before I finish the dragonblight achievement, so I'll get tons of gold grinding other zones (which I'm going to do just so I can farm those stupid dungeon reps).
notworksafe
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Bnet beta site finally went live. Pretty swank looking, even if it is a pain to check for a Cataclysm account. 
notworksafe said:You main a Shaman?I did in BC, so I'm used to this
Naww, I have one as an alt. Just played long enough and on multiple classes to know that what Blizzard gives, it also can take away.
we found that holy power made ret far too difficult to play well and when played perfectly gave them far too much burst
Confused101
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Just FYI, if you are exalted with Orgrimmar or Stormwind you can get epic flying training in Hellfire Peninsula for 20% off. That equals a savings of 1k gold making the training only 4k. Not sure how known that is but I just recently found that out.SquirrelNuckle said:
I just recently made 77 and I've only set foot in BT, HF, and DB. I haven't really done many instances either so all that leveling was straight questing. I'd say it takes me around 4 hours for 1 level when I get into a groove of non-stop questing. It's all about doing multiple things at once.
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levelled almost sorely from 40-67 on dungeons and BGs... is there a system where people people get to be group leader priority if they have more random completed dungeons under their belts, or do i get priority because I am tank, because I always am leader?
I feel that im getting better at it. getting out of lvl 15-25 range, many of the stupid mistakes have been avoided, and i feel i dictate the groups pacing better... there is the occasional slipup or misunderstand - like this morning at 5 am, i was TC'ing all the scarabs in ZF, but healer was not behind me, so I pulled them all and we all died, but we still made it through and got most of the bosses!
but yeah...
I think, the thing that I have noticed in groups is that nothing productive comes from the people who highlight others peoples flaws or mistakes or playstyles by saying "you fail at X" or "are you a noob?" "WTF u doing?" and so on.
For me it has worked ten thousand times better, even with the problematic huntard, and other inane or annoying players to treat them with respect, and if i critisize them in some constructive way - I usually do it over pm as it does concern anyone else(usually). and I try not to sound condesending.
when people say "healer u fail" or something else just bothersome, that a inexperienced player cant use to anything, its best just to ignore them. It's just people pinpointing other peoples flaws. I think it's a realistic evil in this game, that people do dungeons while being occupied with other shit all the time. half the people you are playing with are probably doing other stuff while playing - eating, watching tv, chatting(in and out of the game) and so on.. are just tired and not aware.
It's that fucking complicated. It's just as in RL, where you naturally(or I at least) tend to not hang out with people who are negative and look at everything from the bad sides... people who look at the positives really seem to get the better results in the game.
But sometimes it's hard not to start a fucking war over some disrespectful player, who faults everyone - regardless of his own skill level. being a dick is being a dick, no matter how good you are, as it's a fucking game, and nobody will give a shit at the end of the day, as we're all just tryin to have fun(motherf**king obvious!).
I feel that im getting better at it. getting out of lvl 15-25 range, many of the stupid mistakes have been avoided, and i feel i dictate the groups pacing better... there is the occasional slipup or misunderstand - like this morning at 5 am, i was TC'ing all the scarabs in ZF, but healer was not behind me, so I pulled them all and we all died, but we still made it through and got most of the bosses!
but yeah...
I think, the thing that I have noticed in groups is that nothing productive comes from the people who highlight others peoples flaws or mistakes or playstyles by saying "you fail at X" or "are you a noob?" "WTF u doing?" and so on.
For me it has worked ten thousand times better, even with the problematic huntard, and other inane or annoying players to treat them with respect, and if i critisize them in some constructive way - I usually do it over pm as it does concern anyone else(usually). and I try not to sound condesending.
when people say "healer u fail" or something else just bothersome, that a inexperienced player cant use to anything, its best just to ignore them. It's just people pinpointing other peoples flaws. I think it's a realistic evil in this game, that people do dungeons while being occupied with other shit all the time. half the people you are playing with are probably doing other stuff while playing - eating, watching tv, chatting(in and out of the game) and so on.. are just tired and not aware.
It's that fucking complicated. It's just as in RL, where you naturally(or I at least) tend to not hang out with people who are negative and look at everything from the bad sides... people who look at the positives really seem to get the better results in the game.
But sometimes it's hard not to start a fucking war over some disrespectful player, who faults everyone - regardless of his own skill level. being a dick is being a dick, no matter how good you are, as it's a fucking game, and nobody will give a shit at the end of the day, as we're all just tryin to have fun(motherf**king obvious!).
notworksafe
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The group leader is picked randomly from everyone who has the flag checked. I seem to get it very often though. No point though, since being the leader gives no benefit and everyone listens to the tank anyway.Bisnic said:
Alex
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I doubt the old races will get updated at this point. If they're this far along and you haven't seen it yet, just don't expect it.
I think it should have been priority one, especially with the themeing of the expansion, but whatever. Personally I almost don't want to play a pre-BC race just due to how ancient they look. The art direction and texturing on them is just so off now.
I think it should have been priority one, especially with the themeing of the expansion, but whatever. Personally I almost don't want to play a pre-BC race just due to how ancient they look. The art direction and texturing on them is just so off now.
Alex said:
I'm going to guess it's going to be the thing they will improve the most for the expansion after Cataclysm, i mean what else can they improve graphically that really needs it? They improved shadows in WOTLK, they improved the water in Cataclysm... they should improve the old races next. It's not just the players that use them too, there's also many npcs!
Angry Grimace
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Well, the problem is, in all likelihood, it's roughly the same as the previous rotation with TV replacing DS.Vigilant Walrus said:
FLEABttn said:
I don't know where i saw that, but someone said that they (sort of) fixed the badly optimized shadows in the current beta.
But i agree about that, i lose like half my FPS just by going from 2nd lowest shadows to highest. While i don't lose any FPS at all with the other video options, other than the View Distance.
Alex said:
I don't quite get what you mean by "at this point", are we nearing the end of WoW's life span? It's just too late and there is little point for Blizzard to update the old races? World of Warcraft isn't going anywhere anytime soon, there are MMO's that are over a decade old and are still going, if anything you could argue WoW is still in it's infancy in terms of content. Blizzard isn't ending the game post-Cataclysm, hell Cataclysm's whole purpose is to breathe new life into WoW. They will update the old races (wouldn't be surprised if was the next expansion), it's just a matter of when at this point.
It's entirely possible they prioritized updating the old zones in Cataclysm because that's a much more important bullet-point on their "shit that needs to be fixed" list. The old races aren't what's keeping most people from going back to the vanilla content, it's the old n' busted questing and confusing zone tuning that is far more outdated then the lack of extra polygons on Orcs.
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Somebody asked and they said, "our artists would love to but it takes a lot of work." Read between the lines. They don't pay their artists to fix old shit. They pay their artists to make new shiny shit.Loxley said:
Really? Then why did they update models they didnt have to?Angry Grimace said:
Worgen male, Garrosh, Deep Sea creatures, Naga, Draenei and Tauren Paladin mounts, golems, Faceless Ones, slime, Uldum bosses and more
All these models have current equivalents that could have been reused
Confused101
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It does take a lot of work but I don't believe they ever gave a solid "no" to going back and updated the old models. Unless I didn't read it right. I'm thinking they'll get to it eventually.
Angry Grimace said:
They contradict themselves all the time, such as recycling, err, redesigning the old world, and instances because people "wanted it", yet people been complaining now for years to update the vanilla races which character models are very important in a MMO since you stare at them for hours. The old models do look horrendous now though.
Besides, if it was all about new shiny shit to them, I'd have my DAMN DANCE STUDIO by now...
notworksafe
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http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11155927707&pageNo=6&sid=1#101Vaneras said:
It's not a 100% confirmation but it's the closest we've gotten in some time.
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I'm pretty sure he meant "at this point" in terms of what to expect in this expansion.Loxley said:
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Confused101 said:
they never say "no" (or even "yes") because things always change.
notworksafe said:
Then...
Here is a small update on this, an answer to a question that was asked in the most recent Developer Chat on Twitter:
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14129945695&sid=1
Q u o t e:
Q: Still no word on updated player models for classic races makes me angry. 3 expansions with not a single update on it.
A. We definitely want to do it. Our artists would love to - believe me. The worgen and goblin took an enormous amount of art and animation time for Cataclysm. It's definitely on the list though. We recognize the problem with old models in shiny new armor.
You may have noticed that this update didn't exactly provide an ETA, because as you may imagine, a lot of time and work is required to update all the old models. It is on the to-do list however, which should hopefully come as welcome news to most of you
If they ever get to this, this will be when they'll finally put in new dances as well most likely. But, they never will get to this, most likely.
notworksafe
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Eh, new dances are something I have no interest in. I haven't used /dance for years. Never understood the bitching over the dance studios either.
Angry Grimace
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My guess is that re-doing quests and putting new stock model NPCs in locations is a lot easier (read: cheaper).Bisnic said:
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
lolwut? "Didn't have to?"Xiaoki said:
Those models aren't even finished. They just started the beta like 2 weeks ago. No shit they are still updating the models. Those would fall under the definition of what I just called "shiny new" stuff that they do put effort into.
Another major difference also being that player models have to play nice with customizable options and armor, and NPCs don't.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
No, I don't obsessively study the changes to each and every zone. My guess is the overall structure of most of the zones is still pretty similar, however.Bisnic said:
In any case, I wouldn't expect or hold your breath on new Dwarf/Human/etc. models.
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