Wrasslin Discussion: Week of June 19th

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you mean this one?

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Maybe they should just make a new one...
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Biohazard said:
CM Punk has been hyped so much now by the internet that I can only feel let down now when he doens't live up.
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I like Punk, I really do. He's a good worker, but definetly not the f*cking messiah of wrestling people are making him out to be.

Here is a triple threat match with Punk vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8yMkIkWiFI&mode=related&search=cm punk

It's a pretty old match, but you can see the potential Punk has to be not just a good worker, but a GREAT worker. One thing I dont like, after seeing his OVW work, is the Triple H was right - he does indeed steal other wrestlers moves. In one match he ripped off Low Ki's tree of woe double stomp (but with a flying knee drop instead), and he also ripped off Kobashi's chop combo (chop, chop, spinning chop). And dont forget the Pepsi Plunge (top rope pedigree)
 
Maxrpg said:
you mean this one?

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Maybe they should just make a new one...
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They CAN use that one. They can't use the current variation of the logo with the F on it, and use the name WWF, but they can use the name World Wrestling Federation.
 
CM Punk Media Galore:


CM Punk Video Tribute #1:

http://www.rajahmedia.com/newupload/download.php?file=23bc83d74439ebe8abe9f4c26d1d7c51

CM Punk Video Tribute #2

http://www.rajahmedia.com/newupload/download.php?file=9f30b8754b1762ba39a35888fba138ec


Promos:

He cut some CLASSIC promos in ROH.. here are two of my favorite:

-CM Punk rips on TNA and signs his WWE contract in front of a rowdy ROH crowd:

http://www.rajahmedia.com/newupload/download.php?file=f3574410e3c1f096c1570a21ce22ea80

-CM Punk Turns Heel after winning the ROH Title from Austin Aeries:

http://www.rajahmedia.com/newupload/download.php?file=ee9b19b7e186b95f20971bc7210adb49



The guy is amazing in the ring and on the mic..
 
CM Punk sucks, at least when put up against the ridiculous hype he gets. He's definitely watchable and will be a great addition to any roster he's on, but I've never seen anything special in him that deserves all the praise he gets. He seems like every other guy you can see in TNA's X-Division.

If you want to get a good idea of what Punk WWE style will be like, just watch this match he had on Heat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXOe-Qzxzsk
(I'm pretty sure this was uploaded by a guy that posts here.)

Same old boring WWE shit.

Edit: Saying there's nothing "special" about him is a little too harsh. He's definitely gifted, but being all hyped for CM Punk is like being hyped for Matt Bentley or something.
 
Bloodwake said:
I don't think so. The new logo with the F drawn on the scribbly looking one is still banned because of the agreement reached with the World Wildlife Fund.

They can use the classic logo, but they can't use the newer one with the stems of the F on it.
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What about the old shit where they say "DUBYA DUBYA [pause]" during promos? At least fix that for us!
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
CM Punk sucks, at least when put up against the ridiculous hype he gets. He's definitely watchable and will be a great addition to any roster he's on, but I've never seen anything special in him that deserves all the praise he gets. He seems like every other guy you can see in TNA's X-Division.

If you want to get a good idea of what Punk WWE style will be like, just watch this match he had on Heat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXOe-Qzxzsk
(I'm pretty sure this was uploaded by a guy that posts here.)

Same old boring WWE shit.

Edit: Saying there's nothing "special" about him is a little too harsh. He's definitely gifted, but being all hyped for CM Punk is like being hyped for Matt Bentley or something.
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That match was nothing special no, but it was seriously better than a lot of the matches you see on Raw. And for a guy who most in that audience didn't even know, he did a good job playing to the crowd and getting some good heel heat. The match that the_geche posted a few weeks back between Punk and Ken Kennedy....Kennedy, was a better representation of what "WWE-ized" Punk will look like, and it was another damn good match. Being on the ECW roster he will be free to use more of his moveset, and we won't have to worry about him coming out with some shit gimmick like an insane tatoo artist or Chef or something.

IMO what sets him apart from Joe,Styles,Daniels, Danielson,Hero, Low-Ki, Aeries etc..etc.. is that he is just as good on the mic as he is in the ring.

And for me atleast, the only reason i'm so "hyped" for him is because really, I just want to see probably my favorite wrestler(along with Shawn) actually wrestle each week. Its a lot easier to trackdown ROH stuff on the net than OVW matches. I really don't care where he wrestles be it on a WWE brand or with ROH,CZW, and or TNA.
 
bjork said:
So... they already used the old WWF logos. What exactly has been gained here?
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The World Wildlife Fund has about a ton of shit with WWF stamped right on it. I guess the judgement didn't mean the old logo because it was associated with the old WWF, but the newer one is still used and is associated with modern day WWE entertainment.
 
Bloodwake said:
The World Wildlife Fund has about a ton of shit with WWF stamped right on it. I guess the judgement didn't mean the old logo because it was associated with the old WWF, but the newer one is still used and is associated with modern day WWE entertainment.
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So... I'm confused. Maybe I'm just reading it wrong or whatever. This new thing is gonna let them use the old WWF logo they've already been using, but not the scratchy-looking one, and the term "WWF" still can't be used on the shows and stuff, even on old footage?

What the hell is the point of finalizing "World Wrestling Federation" then?

Meh, it's late. Someone break it down for me while I sleep plz
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
CM Punk sucks, at least when put up against the ridiculous hype he gets. He's definitely watchable and will be a great addition to any roster he's on, but I've never seen anything special in him that deserves all the praise he gets. He seems like every other guy you can see in TNA's X-Division.

If you want to get a good idea of what Punk WWE style will be like, just watch this match he had on Heat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXOe-Qzxzsk
(I'm pretty sure this was uploaded by a guy that posts here.)

Same old boring WWE shit.

Edit: Saying there's nothing "special" about him is a little too harsh. He's definitely gifted, but being all hyped for CM Punk is like being hyped for Matt Bentley or something.
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I'm with you here. Great wrestler, deserves a much better spot than he currently is than most of the workers out there...but the second coming of Jesus he ain't.
 
bjork said:
So... I'm confused. Maybe I'm just reading it wrong or whatever. This new thing is gonna let them use the old WWF logo they've already been using, but not the scratchy-looking one, and the term "WWF" still can't be used on the shows and stuff, even on old footage?

What the hell is the point of finalizing "World Wrestling Federation" then?

Meh, it's late. Someone break it down for me while I sleep plz
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They don't want another wrestling promotion to pop up called World Wrestling Federation.
 
Anyone catch Cena on Conan O'Brien tonight? It alright. I thought it was funny that Cena never mentioned Sabu by name and just called him a genie instead.
 
He's learned a lot from Trips on how to properly kill or stall anyone's push.
Actual sales figures on wrestling books released in the last year have been revealed. Here are the official BookScan industry sales through June. BookScan accounts for approximately 80 percent of all retail and online sales - so you can tack on an additional 20% percent in sales on the following books:

# Heartbreak and Triumph: The Shawn Michaels Story is the best selling wrestling book in the last year as it has sold 45,478 copies.

# Cheating Death, Stealing Life: The Eddie Guerrero Story has sold a respectable 33,212 copies.

# Superstar Billy Graham: Tangled Ropes was quite a disappointment. The book has only sold 5,232 copies.

Anemic book sales in recent years is the major contributing factor in regards to why WWE is shying away from publishing books these days. Also, wrestling book sales haven't been too strong outside of WWE either. Here are the sales figures on non-WWE published books:

# Vince Russo's book Vince Russo: Forgiven - which was released in November 2005 - has only sold 1,145 copies.

# Hardcore History: The Extremely Unauthorized Story of ECW - released in March 2006 - sold 2,615 books.

# Bill Watts' autobiography The Cowboy and The Cross: The Bill Watts Story (which was released in January 2006) has sold only 929 copies.

# World Wrestling Insanity - a book which pretty much rips The McMahons, Triple H and WWE - has only sold 537 copies in its first two weeks.

# Mysteries of Wrestling Solved sold a respectable 1,367 copies in its first week (released June 6th).

# A story on wrestling legend The Missing Link - Bang Your Head: The Real Story of The Missing Link - has sold only, and I mean only 78 copies. The book was released on April 1st.

For the sake of comparison, Hulk Hogan's 2002 book sold over 57,000 copies. Ric Flair's autobiography sold over 62,000 copies.

sources: Pro Wrestling Torch, Bookscan.com
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It's got to be demoralizing to realize you wrote a ****ing book and only 78 people read it.
 
3kuSaS said:
I like Punk, I really do. He's a good worker, but definetly not the f*cking messiah of wrestling people are making him out to be.

Here is a triple threat match with Punk vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8yMkIkWiFI&mode=related&search=cm punk

It's a pretty old match, but you can see the potential Punk has to be not just a good worker, but a GREAT worker. One thing I dont like, after seeing his OVW work, is the Triple H was right - he does indeed steal other wrestlers moves. In one match he ripped off Low Ki's tree of woe double stomp (but with a flying knee drop instead), and he also ripped off Kobashi's chop combo (chop, chop, spinning chop). And dont forget the Pepsi Plunge (top rope pedigree)
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Its a very old match that predates all of his ROH and TNA work. Punk improved by leaps and bounds after he started wrestling in ROH. This is like using tapes of Michael Jordans JV basketball games to judge how good he is.
 
Bloodwake said:
Guarantee you more people read Foley's books.

But that's pretty much a given.
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Just did a Google search, and some random forum quoted a fairly professional looking newsbit that said Foley's first book did over 800,000 sales, HHH's workout book did 19,000, and Jimmy Hart's did 750.

Tietam Brown by Foley only sold 2,300 its first week, for comparison. I read it and liked it, but it was definitely far too cliche. It was poor Chuck Palahniuk with high school dick jokes every 5 pages.

Foley's got another fiction book coming out at the end of this year. Hopefully it's better and catches on with more people, because he's got the talent, but it's not fully grown yet. He'll get better with time.
 
I lost what little respect I had left for Cena after tonight. That was a cheap move by Cena both in terms of wrestler relations and in terms of trying to help out the company. He possibly could have gained some viewers through curiosity if he had put SABU over as the homicidal, genocidal, suicidal arabian etc.. By calling him a "Genie" it just perpetuates the stigma that many have of wrestling being ridiculous.

****..Atleast say the guys name. We are in the "Google Age" where people with take the time to search pretty much everything they never heard of before.
 
Nameless said:
I lost what little respect I had left for Cena after tonight. That was a cheap move by Cena both in terms of wrestler relations and in terms of trying to help out the company. He possibly could have gained some viewers through curiosity if he had put SABU over as the homicidal, genocidal, suicidal arabian etc.. By calling him a "Genie" it just perpetuates the stigma that many have of wrestling being ridiculous.

****..Atleast say the guys name. We are in the "Google Age" where people with take the time to search pretty much everything they never heard of before.
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What the hell? He did all that?

What a prick
 
Nameless said:
Being on the ECW roster he will be free to use more of his moveset, and we won't have to worry about him coming out with some shit gimmick like an insane tatoo artist or Chef or something.
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I'm not so convinced. Just because he might be on ECW, doesn't mean we won't confirm to WWE rules on moves. While I didnt watch the second ECW show, the first was vanilla as hell.
 
Randy's in the UK doing interviews.....

Randy Orton appeared today in the UK on BBC's "Ace and Invisible" Radio Show here is a full detailed recap of what Randy had to say. He discussed hating his entrance music, Kurt Angle, Vengeance, John Cena's Music and much more:

They introduce Randy as the future of wrestling. Randy thanks them for having him on the show.

They begin to play his entrance music only for Randy to sigh and say "you can cut that right now, I hate my entrance music" when asked why Randy explains "I can't explain it man, it's everything from A to Z I just hate it..you know how you need something to pump you up? To be in the mood and have something rev you up..this just doesn't do it for me man". Randy says he needs something to be able to walk to the ring in his underwear to. The hosts praise his top rope posing and they say he seems to be quite into it, Randy says he must be a good actor then because he's acting his ass off. They ask him if he was given the music. Randy says yes he was given the music. Randy brings up how a few months ago Killswitch Engage made him a new song and how the song didn't fit him and how it fit someone more like Batista, like a big jacked up dude. Randy then jokes "my skinny ass walkin' to the ring..du du du du..really didn't make sense and I get the hey nothingyou can say..it's like kindergartener music".

The hosts bring up how John Cena makes his own entrance music and ask Randy if he'd ever consider doing the same. Randy says he isn't going to talk about that. The hosts laugh as the legend killer appears to be quite an entertaining guest. They then remind Randy how he is the youngest champion in history and ask him why he decided to get into wrestling. Randy explains how his uncle, father and grandfather were all involved and it was just something that he grew up in and was around, he says he followed in his fathers footsteps for the most part.

The hosts ask him if he was forced into wrestling, Randy says no right away he explains how the money is good and there are women everywhere he goes and how he has a beautiful one sitting next to him which he tells us is his fiancé. Randy says it's her first time overseas and how excited she is to be there. Randy continues to explain that wrestling was something he wanted to do and that he wasn't pushed into it. Randy reveals that his Mom didn't want him to do it because of his father always being gone and the kids being gone, he says it was a choice he made and he is happy with the decision.

Randy is then asked how it was like growing up seeing his father on television and watching him wrestle names like Hulk Hogan. Randy says by the time he was in high school people didn't really remember his dad as Cowboy Bob Orton and how he was mowing the lawn in his tights, Randy talks about how if he was riding on the bus people would laugh and joke at his dad in tights. Randy says it really wasn't cool but if his dad was like Hulk Hogan, maybe. Randy is then asked why he is known as the legend killer. Randy explains they have him working with guys like Mick Foley, Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, The Undertaker who are guys who have been around the wrestling business for quite some time and how he has beaten those guys. He says he would take them out and they are legend like in their business and "the legend killer" had a ring to it, which Randy claims he needed because his name was kind of plain and flat.

Randy is asked if he could take out any legend who would it be. Randy says if his dad hears what he said about him it'll probably be him. The hosts laugh and say that would be a good story. Randy then says possibly Hulk Hogan, he brings up how there might be something in the works for a Wrestlemania match with Hogan, he says none of this is on paper it just sounds nice. Randy is asked about who has he enjoyed working with the most, Randy says he has enjoyed working with The Undertaker he says he is a phenom and everyone knows who he is no matter how long they have been watching wrestling, he says he is larger than life and it was an honor to be in the
ring with him.

The show returns from a brief break to listen to a song by Busta Rhymes. The hosts ask Randy if he liked that song for his entrance music. Randy says he likes his music but hadn't heard that song yet, he says he liked it however. They then begin to discuss his "big fight" at Vengeance. Randy says he'll be working with Kurt Angle and that he owes him one. Randy brings up the ECW PPV a few weeks ago and how Kurt beat his ass. Randy says he is an Olympic wrestler and he likes to go in there and take some names, Randy says he is rough but it's alright since he'll be bringing it on Sunday at Vengeance. The show goes for another break.

Randy continues to plug Vengeance he says the show is going to be hot, they have a full card from top to bottom. He brings up how DX has reunited and will be taking on the Spirit Squad. He says the whole show will be hot. The hosts bring up some comments Angle said about Randy. They tell him Angle said he is taking no mercy on him and will break his ankle and show him never to mess with the new ECW Kurt Angle. Randy brings up Kurt's broken neck from a few years back, he says "recovering from a broken neck and talking trash like that..I was nice last time" Randy says Angle has a "thick ass neck". The hosts ask Randy to break down the difference between ECW rules and WWE rules. Randy explains that in WWE the referee is pretty much in charge and with ECW anything goes, chairs, barbed wire, tables, ladders, tacks etc. The host asks Randy what it's like to hit someone with a steel chair. Randy says he got his first concussion from getting hit with a steel chair. He explains how it hit him right on top of the head and how a lot of guys put their hand up at the last minute and how it softens the blow but he didn't because he was new and he was told not to put his hand up because he will look bad and he did just that and as Randy put it he was "hello? coo coo..", he says it definitely hurts.

They ask if anyone scares Randy. Randy says nobody scares him. They begin to talk about Smackdown Superstar Khali, Randy says his jaw bone is longer than his arm. They ask if Randy can take him, Randy says "hell yeah dude". Randy is asked who is the greatest wrestler of all time, Randy says Shawn Michaels, Randy says he is great from top to bottom. They then begin to discuss the creative aspect of wrestling, Randy explains how there are writers and creative teams who come up with storylines, he compares it to a soap opera with how there are cliffhangers and such to keep people tuning in each week. The hosts ask Randy if Vince is how he really is on TV. The bring up the kiss my ass club. Randy says he doesn't believe Vince has a kiss my ass club, Randy says basically if you are loyal to Vince he is loyal to you. Randy describes Vince as hard nosed and intimidating.

He is asked about where the names for wrestling moves come from. Randy says they come from personal choices by the wrestlers that they come up with traveling. He is asked about the RKO, Randy explains it's similar to Dallas Page's Diamond Cutter, he says when he was with Evolution they came up with the idea to do something similar to the Diamond Cutter except have him jump up into it so it's not exactly the same, he says he tried it a few times and it looked good, the crowd responded which is a big factor and that was it.

They then ask Randy is he's ever thought of getting into music like John Cena. Immediately Randy says "No. I can't even dance let alone sing". The hosts play a little bit of Cena's music. Randy's reaction is quite hilarious he says: "Terrible. I'm about to throw myself out of the window." "He needs to get his ass kicked for that one." They discuss Cena's recent fan reponse. Randy says "they turned on him when they realize he thought he was black" They then ask him if he is well liked in the locker room. Randy explains that he started with him and he says he is a nice guy and a good friend, he says he just saw him the other day, he says he hates to be burying him in London but he's pretty bad.

The hosts bring in a fellow DJ who is a big Randy Orton fan known as "DJ B". He has challenged Randy in a game where they have to identify theme music from the past and present for wrestlers. They have 1 minute to name as many as possible. DJ B goes first and did fairly well. They asked Randy if he knew the ones they played, Randy says yeah but he was talking to his girl so he really wasn't listening. Now it's Randy's turn to play. Randy passes 3 themes. DJ B received 9 points and Randy received 11 points and won the game. That's a wrap for Randy. Randy thanks them for having him on the show.
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...he is on Sky Sports News tomorrow. Georgie Thompson better run!!!
 
I don't like his theme either...my brother always goes "GAY!" when it says hey and now it's implemented in my mind everytime it comes on :(. Interesting read...it sounds as though he really is just into the business for the money and fame...no passion but alas who cares I doubt anyone is really passionate these days.
 
Impact time!

gotta love any show that kicks off with Jim Cornette!


I KNEW something looked fishy said:
ECW News: Title Belt, Return To Philly, RVD, & More News
Date Added: June 22, 2006
Story By: Ryan Clark
For those wondering, the ECW Championship belt used on the debut edition of ECW on Sci Fi last week was a licensed replica belt that are sold commercially. WWE quickly replaced the belt with a professionally made one for this week's TV taping. Based on what is known, the original ECW World Heavyweight Title is still believed to be in possession of ECW's last champion Rhino.
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HAHAHAHAHAH!
 
Bowser said:
:lol

Would WWE use a toy belt? HELL NO. But ECW? Eh, who cares.
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Technically they aren't "toy" belts. They're actual recreations taken from molds of the actualt belts and made exactly like the real thing. Abou the only difference is the back screws aren't covered.

Still, pretty damn funny.
 
Biohazard said:
did you meet those wrestlers Outcast?
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Yep, haven't loaded the pics fromt he camera yet.

THe most personable one was Greg Valentine. My friend and I got into a nice conversation about the robes he wears, his figure (he was BEAMING about it) just general stuff.

Brian Knobbs wouldn't shut up.

Bruno was class like usual. Jimmy Snuka was kinda hidden in a corner.

Oh Iron Shiek has the mind of a child..kinda sad really.

King Kong Bundy was rather humble and thankful people remember him.
 
Outcast2004 said:
Oh Iron Shiek has the mind of a child..kinda sad really.
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one of my friends met Iron Shiek a few years back and said the dude is in terrible shape and is bowlegged and can barely walk.

he also said Mean Gene has the biggest hands he's ever seen.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
one of my friends met Iron Shiek a few years back and said the dude is in terrible shape and is bowlegged and can barely walk.

he also said Mean Gene has the biggest hands he's ever seen.
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Yes, Shiek didn't look good at all. He had really skinny arms, Stayed seated the entire time and barely spoke. He really didn't look like he knew where he was.

That's whata life on the road and a lifetime of abuse will do to a body.
 
Biohazard said:
I coudn't stomach TNA I turned the channel when the man lady came and beat up Gail. It was just ...boring =\.
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You're missing a good match....


You're WINNER AND NEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWW X-Division Champ.
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The Main Event said:
What don't you like about him?
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I can't quite put my finger on it. Something about him just annoys the hell out of me.

I really think when people get the false impression of TNA being nothing buy "spot monkeys", it's because Sonjay was in the match doing flips like a coked up freak.

Just so much of his stuff is done without reason, moreso than anyone else there.
 
They begin to play his entrance music only for Randy to sigh and say "you can cut that right now, I hate my entrance music" when asked why Randy explains "I can't explain it man, it's everything from A to Z I just hate it..you know how you need something to pump you up? To be in the mood and have something rev you up..this just doesn't do it for me man". Randy says he needs something to be able to walk to the ring in his underwear to. The hosts praise his top rope posing and they say he seems to be quite into it, Randy says he must be a good actor then because he's acting his ass off. They ask him if he was given the music. Randy says yes he was given the music. Randy brings up how a few months ago Killswitch Engage made him a new song and how the song didn't fit him and how it fit someone more like Batista, like a big jacked up dude. Randy then jokes "my skinny ass walkin' to the ring..du du du du..really didn't make sense and I get the hey nothingyou can say..it's like kindergartener music".
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Hey, nothing you can say, is going to make me let go of this rear chinlock.
 
Well most of the time they're only getting 2-3 minutes on TV so I understand the mentality of getting all their shit in. But it's very numbing.

I can't wait for Punk to debut on ECW in a Smackdown arena full of kids to no reaction. If they still had the ECW Arena taping that would be the best place for him to start.
 
pilonv1 said:
I can't wait for Punk to debut on ECW in a Smackdown arena full of kids to no reaction. If they still had the ECW Arena taping that would be the best place for him to start.
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That's EXACTLY what will happen with Punk too. Then the office will view him as an over-rated failure because of THEIR ignorance about where and how to market their product.

HE;s a small guy, so they are going to have to do some SPECTACULAR promos to get him over in front of that apatheic Smackdown crowd. Especially if they;ve been fighting suicide for 3 hours from watching the Smackdown tapings.
 
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