Intheflorsh
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I woke up and realized I fell asleep in the middle of Rock's promo. Electrifying!
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WrestleMania 32 |OT| OHHH! Written in the Stars! A Million Miles Awaaaaaay........
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I agree. But to be fair, I think the majority of vocal fans are just expressing their frustration at the road block Cena creates from a kayfabe point of view. There is no denying that the most exciting, charismatic and talented performers tend to lose an enormous amount of momentum once they hit Cena.
When fans want to see exciting storylines, featuring talented stars, come to fruition, it is extremely frustrating.
This is an industry that revolves around crowd reactions, after all. Writing and carrying out a cohesive, entertaining story in order to get the crowd behind you is/should be pivotal.
Yep. Even the ref could be heard more then the crowd, it was crazy.
Zen_Arcade
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I love how you respond to a well thought out response to your question with "Boo Hoo". Christ, why even come here and start a discussion if you obviously have no value to add to the conversation?
Everything Hex said is 100% correct and exactly why people think Jericho winning that match was a bad decision. He probably won't be here in a month and the win adds nothing to the storyline nor his overall career. Meanwhile this was an opportunity to push a new talent and keep his character momentum going and instead he loses.
Fuck the whole notion that Styles is buried. Even removed from any wrestling context it's just bad and uninteresting writing.
Because this is an argument I have regularly, and it boils down to a wrestling fan weeping that the wrestler he liked lost and will likely be unduly harmed by such.
It's a stupid argument, and it deserves to be dismissed out of hand.
By the way, the "new talent" you want to push is a 40-year-old man who's had a very good career. He's not some up-and-comer fresh off the turnip truck. And I'm sure AJ Styles understands that a loss to Chris Jericho at Wrestlemania doesn't mean his children will go hungry for the next six months.
That was the most random shit of that match. No entrance, not mentioned on commentary until a few minutes into the match and he did nothing. Had to have been a last minute replacement for one of the Wyatts.
UltimateUnknown
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The point is, most were expecting Roman to win, but what they were also expecting logically after that was for him to turn heel. The Rock should have been used to do this at the end of the match (rather than his segment burying the Wyatts) as he comes out to celebrate with his "family" and Roman spears him and flips off the crowd, telling them he hates them as well and to suck it. This would draw nuclear heat and everyone would have a genuine reason to boo him. As you said, people would be happy to see Roman as a heel champion. In fact WWE needs a heel champion desperately right now because all the other main eventers such as Rollins, Orton and Cena are going to come back in as babyfaces. Not to mention Ambrose is also a babyface. They need Roman as a heel champion.
Zen_Arcade
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I don't even like Styles and had never seen him wrestle before a month ago. It has nothing to do with who I like. It has to do with basic writing and plot structure. Something that you don't need to give a shit about wrestling to understand.
He's new to WWE, which means that he's new to a lot of viewers and new to the plot lines of the company.
I don't know why you keep bringing up shit like money and if his career is hurt when I clearly said that that's not the issue with the loss. The issue is that it's a boring story that either just ended with a wet fart, or is about to get dragged on even further. Name one interesting thing that can come from Jericho winning that match.
Stallion Dan
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Couldn't stop the people with thumbs down in the air. Tried to, but short of not filming the audience at all they couldn't, too many.
I didn't watch every match, and had it on the background of some. Shane delivered, only other thing I really remember is Shaq.
You're not the only one bleating about AJ Styles' tragic defeat at Wrestlemania.
The argument commonly goes that a loss is a career derailment, thus money and prestige. You can follow the threads to their logical conclusion.
I would argue that most people are "upset" at the fact that it is the least satisfactory result possible, from a storyline point of view.
reptilescorpio
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Wow. What an ending.
The Albatross
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I had fun watching the event because I got super drunk.
Women's match was the best one.
Disappointed by the styles match... Lots of missed spots for two good wrestlers and the finish had me meh.
I don't have g problem with the end of the women's match. Flair holding Sasha out doesn't take away from Charlotte's special move or make it cheap... Heels have always won off of shit like that. Flair, remembered as one of the greatest wrestlers of all time, probably won a majority of his matches by something cheap like that. And in the end it's not even that cheap... He's preventing one wrestler from breaking a hold, not hitting someone with the belt or making a cheap shot. Charlotte still made Becky tap out, so I don't think it takes away.
Women's match was the best one.
Disappointed by the styles match... Lots of missed spots for two good wrestlers and the finish had me meh.
I don't have g problem with the end of the women's match. Flair holding Sasha out doesn't take away from Charlotte's special move or make it cheap... Heels have always won off of shit like that. Flair, remembered as one of the greatest wrestlers of all time, probably won a majority of his matches by something cheap like that. And in the end it's not even that cheap... He's preventing one wrestler from breaking a hold, not hitting someone with the belt or making a cheap shot. Charlotte still made Becky tap out, so I don't think it takes away.
ElectricBlanketFire
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To be fair, I do not think that there were any real opportunities last night.
Tonight you will have Ambrose and Usos to use.
Ugh. You're probably right.
half a moon
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Just finished watching. Fuck this shit.
Sir_Crocodile
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Meltzer's will probably be good, gonna listen to that when I get home. At work so can't check, but I suspect it's one of the subscriber only podcasts though. :/
FallingEdge
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Yes, thats basically exactly what I said?
From a narrative perspective it makes sense that Roman won. He's the underdog babyface who overcame the heel champion. People aren't buying the narrative though. Him winning makes sense. Him not turning doesn't make sense given the reactions he was getting.
Mangoverboard
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Rusev selling the stunner was the best part of the night
Strangelove77
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It WASNT a nightmare. Shit.
Rusev is so good. He really needs to be in the upper mid-card at least.
Arrowgigantic
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Hahaha, I knew my seats were high up, turns out they were the very top row. But they were at the 50 yard line, so head on with the big screen. Still, could only hear the big bumps, and they were a quiet little echo.
The crowd literally only liked the finish on two matches, Ryder and Taker. What is that all about? I am very suspicious about what this means for Zack, even if using a PPV match to start a story instead of finish one seems like a thoughtful, if uncharacteristic, move. Don't let Cena anywhere near you, Zack!
Romeva Mareigns (&trade
had one chant that coalesced amongst his pockets of fans near the end of the match. The rest was boos. His lackadaisical pacing didn't help at all. Please hang out with Cena.
It is just plain weird that Jericho gets to kick out of the Styles Clash and then also win. I don't care, though.
The crowd literally only liked the finish on two matches, Ryder and Taker. What is that all about? I am very suspicious about what this means for Zack, even if using a PPV match to start a story instead of finish one seems like a thoughtful, if uncharacteristic, move. Don't let Cena anywhere near you, Zack!
Romeva Mareigns (&trade
had one chant that coalesced amongst his pockets of fans near the end of the match. The rest was boos. His lackadaisical pacing didn't help at all. Please hang out with Cena.It is just plain weird that Jericho gets to kick out of the Styles Clash and then also win. I don't care, though.
Arrowgigantic
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Quality opinion. It was a highlight for sure.
So skipped through extended highlights to refresh my memory. Overall, not a great Mania, but I'd rank it higher than 27-31 for the show as a whole. The main event, bar HHH's entrance, was worse than all of those though. Wow.
When Ryder's odds were shortening, I said he was going to win and be squashed by someone from NXT getting the call up on Raw. At that point, I said Joe but I think it might be Corbin now.
When Ryder's odds were shortening, I said he was going to win and be squashed by someone from NXT getting the call up on Raw. At that point, I said Joe but I think it might be Corbin now.
Zen_Arcade
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If I'm not the one making those arguments then maybe you shouldn't be using those arguments as a rebuttal when responding to me.
Like I said in the other thread, Rusev and Xavier made that whole segment amazing.
Weird. There was a pop at the end, but the show went off the air with muted boos. I mean, we saw that.
I really want Raw to open with Roman tonight. It's going to be so fucking fun. I'm staying up just for that.
As soon as he speared Steph the crowd turned.
I still thought there were boos but there were definitely more mixed in cheers.
Arrowgigantic
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Rusev should join the New Day.
Rellik
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You could also see people leaving before the match even finished.
MrPressStart
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Overall, I thought it was a very good show.
My favorite spots were....
1) Lesnar and Ambrose put on a much better match than most thought they would.
2) Shane O Mack... is crazy...
3) The game jobbed for Roman.. and while I don't like him, you had to know it was coming
4) The ladies match was fantastic and Charlotte is the read deal.
5) Rusev and Xavier were on point.
6) Kevin Owens went all in and sold moves like no one else in that match.
7) Battle Royal was chaotic and could have been better organized.... but overall was decent.
oh and Jericho match was great!
My favorite spots were....
1) Lesnar and Ambrose put on a much better match than most thought they would.
2) Shane O Mack... is crazy...
3) The game jobbed for Roman.. and while I don't like him, you had to know it was coming
4) The ladies match was fantastic and Charlotte is the read deal.
5) Rusev and Xavier were on point.
6) Kevin Owens went all in and sold moves like no one else in that match.
7) Battle Royal was chaotic and could have been better organized.... but overall was decent.
oh and Jericho match was great!
Oni Link 666
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The best part about WM being over is that they can stop playing that welcome to my house song. In like 2 weeks when they stop recapping that is. Damn, that song is so played out.
Amory
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Overall I thought that was a pretty good mania.
Even the not-as-hyped matches ended up being pretty good, Jericho v Styles in particular, and the street fight and HIAC mostly lived up to expectations.
I'm genuinely disappointed that Shane lost, and it's the first time in a long time that I can say I really cared who won a match. I wanted to believe he was gonna stick around for a while and inject some much-needed life into this stagnant product. We got the crazy bump out of him that we all wanted, though, so at least there's that. Taker is old and lame and adds nothing to the matches he's in other than his legendary entrance. He needs to fucking retire already.
Title match was whatever. Not much you can do when everyone knows the outcome from the start. Thought they might finally give it up and turn Roman heel after the match. H's entrance was cringeworthy.
Even the not-as-hyped matches ended up being pretty good, Jericho v Styles in particular, and the street fight and HIAC mostly lived up to expectations.
I'm genuinely disappointed that Shane lost, and it's the first time in a long time that I can say I really cared who won a match. I wanted to believe he was gonna stick around for a while and inject some much-needed life into this stagnant product. We got the crazy bump out of him that we all wanted, though, so at least there's that. Taker is old and lame and adds nothing to the matches he's in other than his legendary entrance. He needs to fucking retire already.
Title match was whatever. Not much you can do when everyone knows the outcome from the start. Thought they might finally give it up and turn Roman heel after the match. H's entrance was cringeworthy.
Pop-O-Matic
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Now the only times I have to hear it is the five times they play it during my commute...
UberTag
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If there's one thing you should know by now it's that the WWE has zero respect for our time.
Arrowgigantic
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That's not true at all. He was even getting booed when Steph got got. Like I said, there was one point after that where they got a chant going for him. The boos were just taking a break. And the crowd definitely booed the finish hard.
UltimateUnknown
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Hahaha, I knew my seats were high up, turns out they were the very top row. But they were at the 50 yard line, so head on with the big screen. Still, could only hear the big bumps, and they were a quiet little echo.
The crowd literally only liked the finish on two matches, Ryder and Taker. What is that all about? I am very suspicious about what this means for Zack, even if using a PPV match to start a story instead of finish one seems like a thoughtful, if uncharacteristic, move. Don't let Cena anywhere near you, Zack!
Romeva Mareigns (&trade
It is just plain weird that Jericho gets to kick out of the Styles Clash and then also win. I don't care, though.
Did Roman actually get a big pop when he won the match like on TV?
Also was the crowd actually that silent while he was celebrating his win or did he get booed out of the building? Because on TV everything became eerily whisper quiet as soon as the match ended even though Roman was getting booed like crazy throughout the whole match.
Pop-O-Matic
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There has to be some cellphone footage from the show floating around there for us to verify Roman's crowd reaction...
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