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[Anth0ny]

can't agree with the crying about the legends being used, the pops HBK and the rest got >>> anyone else that night

New Day is sometimes fun, corny many times, but they should be happy to be in the ring with those HOFers at that stage

they could have been in the ring with the legends and won the match. it's not hard.

they literally did it on raw a couple of weeks ago. new day wins, league of nations team up and beat the piss out of them. do the same shit at mania, they grab a mic and last night's events go exactly the same.

 

[kiguel182]

can't agree with the crying about the legends being used, the pops HBK and the rest got >>> anyone else that night

New Day is sometimes fun, corny many times, but they should be happy to be in the ring with those HOFers at that stage

I don't get this line of thinking AT ALL.

Why should the guys that are always there have to take the back seat for some old dudes? Why aren't you building your new guys instead of relying on nostalgia?

 

[Heroman]

Man, it's fucking crazy how low those mics muted for the main event.

It crazy cause it makes it same that 101,000 people are sitting in silence.

 

[Sephzilla]

can't agree with the crying about the legends being used, the pops HBK and the rest got >>> anyone else that night

New Day is sometimes fun, corny many times, but they should be happy to be in the ring with those HOFers at that stage

This line of thinking is why so few people on the main roster are over, though.

 

[Toki767]

No real issue with Ryder winning other than it's obviously they're not going to push him and are only doing it for someone to destroy him for the title (most likely tonight).

AJ losing to Jericho though felt almost offensive and I'd love to hear what their logic is other than Jericho's the WWE guy and they can't have a non-WWE guy beat a WWE guy.

 

[ambar_hitman]

Definitely the WORST WRESTLEMANIA EVER.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

Ryder was over like hell in that match. As someone who has been watching him be thrown back to the bottom twice and have to work his way up again, I'm happy. But they need to have plans for him going forward, which they probably don't.

I don't get this line of thinking AT ALL.

Why should the guys that are always there have to take the back seat for some old dudes? Why aren't you building your new guys instead of relying on nostalgia?

Well

The New Day is already made, and hbk/austin/cactus were only there for a few minutes, and they went over the LON, the most boring faction in the wwf and one that will probably cease to exist soon (Barret's leaving the company at least, and since the stable's gone down like a wet fart it might be a good time to break them up).

Generally speaking you're right though

 

[Sephzilla]

AJ losing to Jericho though felt almost offensive and I'd love to hear what their logic is other than Jericho's the WWE guy and they can't have a non-WWE guy beat a WWE guy.

AJ losing to Jericho was this year's Sting losing to HHH

 

[kiguel182]

Well

The New Day is already made, and hbk/austin/cactus were only there for a few minutes, and they went over the LON, the most boring faction in the wwf and one that will probably cease to exist soon (Barret's leaving the company at least, and since the stable's gone down like a wet fart it might be a good time to break them up).

Generally speaking you're right though

The New Day are over yes but putting them in the backdrop for the old guys just sends the message that the new guys aren't as good as the old ones (which just isn't true).

If they want to have an "all old guys" segment sure, do it. But having part-timers steal the spotlight from the current talent makes no sense to me.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

This line of thinking is why so few people on the main roster are over, though.

HBK and Austin got over themselves and had to fight for their spot, nothing has changed. I'm happy LON won also, legitimizes them

 

[Jashobeam]

New Day got to come out of a giant cereal box, trust me they arent losing any sleep over a loss at Wrestlemania.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

New Day got to come out of a giant cereal box, trust me they arent losing any sleep over a loss at Wrestlemania.

exactly

 

[Sephzilla]

HBK and Austin got over themselves and had to fight for their spot

They also didn't have old timers coming back for nostalgia pops at PPVs though because Hogan, Macho Man, Flair, and the others were somewhere else

 

[Raging Spaniard]

Yeah I dont get Jericho winning. I dont like either potential outcome:

-AJ is as overrated as he told us and they move on
-the feud continues past WM 'till Payback

I was ready for something else there :|

 

[Trojan X]

can't agree with the crying about the legends being used, the pops HBK and the rest got >>> anyone else that night

New Day is sometimes fun, corny many times, but they should be happy to be in the ring with those HOFers at that stage

Why should they be happy? I don't understand how you believe it was a good thing out of all the other things that could have been done. Personally, I am not happy with it at all and thought it was a crying shame.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

The New Day are over yes but putting them in the backdrop for the old guys just sends the message that the new guys aren't as good as the old ones (which just isn't true).

If they want to have an "all old guys" segment sure, do it. But having part-timers steal the spotlight from the current talent makes no sense to me.

People aren't going to remember the finish of a newday/lon match with no build behind it at all (and bear in mind the new day have gone over the lon pretty much every other match they've ever had).

They'll remember the cereal/saiyan spot though.

If New Day had a proper program going into 'mania (and they SHOULD have had one against the dudleys if the wwf hadn't booked that feud so badly), then I'd agree with you.

 

[Anth0ny]

New Day got to come out of a giant cereal box, trust me they arent losing any sleep over a loss at Wrestlemania.

wins and losses don't matter right

 

[wild wild rice]

Yeah I dont get Jericho winning. I dont like either potential outcome:

-AJ is as overrated as he told us and they move on
-the feud continues past WM 'till Payback

I was ready for something else there :|

This feud blows. I've heard nothing but hype about Styles, but really haven't seen much of anything in these matches so far.

 

[MassiveNights]

Balor isn't at Raw, he got on a plane with the rest of the NXT talent.

 

[Beefy]

They will still be using the Rock, HBK etc etc when they are 80 won't they?

 

[kiguel182]

This feud blows. I've heard nothing but hype about Styles, but really haven't seen much of anything in these matches so far.

Styles is a great talent but being stuck in this awful feud with an old Jericho isn't helping him.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

Because this is an argument I have regularly, and it boils down to a wrestling fan weeping that the wrestler he liked lost and will likely be unduly harmed by such.

It's a stupid argument, and it deserves to be dismissed out of hand.

By the way, the "new talent" you want to push is a 40-year-old man who's had a very good career. He's not some up-and-comer fresh off the turnip truck. And I'm sure AJ Styles understands that a loss to Chris Jericho at Wrestlemania doesn't mean his children will go hungry for the next six months.

AJ may not be a spring chicken but in the 'WWE Universe' he is fresh and has the potential to be used in limitless ways. While wins and losses may not ultimately mean anything in a pre-determined show, it does still have an effect on how the audience perceives him and buys into him.

What if because a wrestler is handled badly when they arrive the audience doesn’t get behind them or loses interest? WWE have done this plenty of times under the belief that 'wins and losses don’t matter' yet they kill any interest the audience may have and 'burry' the star.

For years now people have complained that WWE doesn’t push enough fresh talent and relies too much on established stars yet you argue that its fine for a new star to go through a programme with a legend who is only around to enhance other talent, having so many matches people are bored with the story only to 'finish' it off at Wrestlemania by having the new person lose? Yes they will probably continue the story but at this point does anyone really care?

To dismiss people's concerns as 'they are just salty their fave wrestler didn’t win' is rather disingenuous and doesn’t take into consideration WWE's history of doing things that are 'best for business' which actually ends up creating hatred or even worse apathy amongst the audience.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

They will still be using the Rock, HBK etc etc when they are 80 won't they?

And wonder why fans aren't connecting with the new stars suffering perpetual 50/50 booking and bad cookie cutter promos?

Yes.

 

[chunk3rvd]

You could also see people leaving before the match even finished.

That doesn't indicate much. People just like to beat the traffic. I remember watching people pour out during Michaels/Taker II at 26 in disbelief. Why pay that much to go to Mania if you won't even stay to watch the main event?

 

[Anth0ny]

This feud blows. I've heard nothing but hype about Styles, but really haven't seen much of anything in these matches so far.

this is how the average wwe fan who hasn't seen non-wwe wrestling perceives aj styles right now

good job wwe

but wins and losses don't matter right

 

[Sephzilla]

They will still be using the Rock, HBK etc etc when they are 80 won't they?

If WWE continues the current trend of overly scripted promos, too much TV exposure, and 50/50 booking, then yes because almost nobody from this generation will be remotely as over as 80s and 90s wrestlers

 

[imBask]

Yeah I dont get Jericho winning. I dont like either potential outcome:

-AJ is as overrated as he told us and they move on
-the feud continues past WM 'till Payback

I was ready for something else there :|

Why should I care about that match at Payback and why should I care about AJ moving on? he's logically on par with Jericho sicne they're trading wins back and forth, so Fandango is technically better than Jericho, and so is Bray Wyatt

 

[joeposh]

I don't get this line of thinking AT ALL.

Why should the guys that are always there have to take the back seat for some old dudes? Why aren't you building your new guys instead of relying on nostalgia?

Are they taking a back seat when they got the most memorable entrance of the night and shared the ring with 3 legends, upping their profile with casual viewers in the process?

You can argue whether they should have won the match, but New Day have now had segments with HBK, Austin, Foley and The Rock in the past few months. Clearly that's a hat tip to how hot they are, and how the legends feel about their run, not a burial.

 

[kiguel182]

I still don't understand how wins and losses don't matter.

This is a soap opera about a combat sport. Wins and losses and how you win/lose are all that matter at the end of the day.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

AJ losing to Jericho though felt almost offensive and I'd love to hear what their logic is other than Jericho's the WWE guy and they can't have a non-WWE guy beat a WWE guy.

WWE is amazing at burying talents and new wrestlers.

 

[Killing_Joke]

Go watch WM30 ending then watch WM32 and tell me Roman got a pop. He got a scattered applause at best. Hell, even Steph getting hit with the nose dive got a bigger pop then the spear. In fact there was a decent amount of audible boos after the spear.

To make it even worse, there was no money shot with the crowd. They had to find the tiniest groups cheering to get some decent shots. It was Wrestlemania 22/23 all over again.

 

[kiguel182]

Are they taking a back seat when they got the most memorable entrance of the night and shared the ring with 3 legends, upping their profile with casual viewers in the process?

You can argue whether they should have won the match, but New Day have now had segments with HBK, Austin, Foley and The Rock in the past few months. Clearly that's a hat tip to how hot they are, and how the legends feel about their run, not a burial.

But why it matters what the legends think of them? They don't need it.

Also they didn't share it, the old dudes came out and cleaned house by themselves and they Stone Cold stunned Woods.

They don't need to share their moment with anyone.

 

[Anth0ny]

friends

nxt was so good

lets cherish these months we have with nakamura in nxt, before he goes to the main roster and loses his first match at mania to kane, clean

 

[Uno Venova]

Are they taking a back seat when they got the most memorable entrance of the night and shared the ring with 3 legends, upping their profile with casual viewers in the process?

You can argue whether they should have won the match, but New Day have now had segments with HBK, Austin, Foley and The Rock in the past few months. Clearly that's a hat tip to how hot they are, and how the legends feel about their run, not a burial.

When has getting beat up by a one off appearance from legends really elevated anyone any significant amount though.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

Why should they be happy? I don't understand how you believe it was a good thing out of all the other things that could have been done. Personally, I am not happy with it at all and thought it was a crying shame.

New Day is a comedy act, they got a special entrance, were involved in a segment with the biggest stars in mania history

Them losing meant nothing

 

[Anth0ny]

Are they taking a back seat when they got the most memorable entrance of the night and shared the ring with 3 legends, upping their profile with casual viewers in the process?

You can argue whether they should have won the match, but New Day have now had segments with HBK, Austin, Foley and The Rock in the past few months. Clearly that's a hat tip to how hot they are, and how the legends feel about their run, not a burial.

austin gave xavier a stunner


if anything the casual viewer sees them as weird geeks. why the fuck did they come out of a cereal box? why are they dressed like dragon ball z characters? then they lost and the legends posed on their own.

nothing about how new day was portrayed on this show did a good job of getting them over with a casual, mania-only viewer.

you know what would have? WINNING A FUCKING WRESTLING MATCH

 

[Sephzilla]

New Day is a comedy act, they got a special entrance, were involved in a segment with the biggest stars in mania history

Them losing meant nothing

They're also the tag team champions, who lost a non-title match to a group of wrestlers who've done literally nothing since becoming a stable. It's not like a death nail for the New Day or anything (see: the Wyatts after fighting Taker/Kane) but it didn't help them at all either.

 

[kiguel182]

New Day aren't a comedy act.

They are the tag team champions and one of the most over performers in the current roster. Some of the most entertaining and talented dudes to.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

They're also the tag team champions, who lost a non-title match to a group of wrestlers who've done literally nothing since becoming a stable. It's not like a death nail for the New Day or anything (see: the Wyatts after fighting Taker/Kane) but it didn't help them at all either.

They could have won the match, and still had the LON beatdown because of the numerical advantage.

That's nothing to do with the vets skit, but yeah that's an (odd) vince booking decision.

 

[BajiBoxer]

I just started watching NXT Takeover, and 1 match in and that Tag title match is better than anything Wrestlemania had to offer. The quality difference is kind of shocking actually.

 

[Kusagari]

They could have won the match, and still had the LON beatdown because of the numerical advantage.

That's nothing to do with the vets skit, that's an (odd) vince booking decision.

They talked about this on LAW and decided that probably didn't happen because they couldn't really have the legends music play one-by-one if they ran in for the save.

Austin's music did get the biggest pop of the night.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

I just started watching NXT Takeover, and 1 match in and that Tag title match is better than anything Wrestlemania had to offer. The quality difference is kind of shocking actually.

I thought the mania ladder match was fantastic at least. That was about it though.

 

[Jerm411]

I just started watching NXT Takeover, and 1 match in and that Tag title match is better than anything Wrestlemania had to offer. The quality difference is kind of shocking actually.

Oh just wait...Nakamura in 20 secs. showed more charisma in his pinkie finger than 99% of the WM roster has in their entire career.

 

[kiguel182]

I just started watching NXT Takeover, and 1 match in and that Tag title match is better than anything Wrestlemania had to offer. The quality difference is kind of shocking actually.

Have you never watched NXT?

Their Takeover specials have been really good as of lately, specially the main-event matches.

Sami vs Nakamura puts to shame what WWE does currently with the main roster.

 

[Brian_FETO]

This feud blows. I've heard nothing but hype about Styles, but really haven't seen much of anything in these matches so far.

AJ's two best WWE matches have been Y2AJ vs. New Day on Raw and AJ vs. Kevin Owens on Raw. Fastlane and Mania were ok. Mania I think was their best match but the finish was dumb, end this fucking feud. It made sense for like the first month but crowds accept AJ at this point, move on.

 

[El Topo]

friends

nxt was so good

lets cherish these months we have with nakamura in nxt, before he goes to the main roster and loses his first match at mania to kane, clean

You think Nakamura will get a match with Kane at WM? The moment he gets to Raw he'll get a mentally challenged stripper gimmick. He'll be in a multi-man Battle Royal at WM.

 

[OniBarubary]

I thought the mania ladder match was fantastic at least. That was about it though.

Women's Triple Threat was MOTN for me

 

[shaowebb]

I just started watching NXT Takeover, and 1 match in and that Tag title match is better than anything Wrestlemania had to offer. The quality difference is kind of shocking actually.

Yup. When the womens title defense is a better match than the rest of the PPV and thats even WITH a botched sunset flip, then you got problems.

Split the brand. Keep NXT its own thing, and just give up on WWE. Its dead. Its there for HHH and Vince to suck each other's egos off.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

Women's Triple Threat was MOTN for me

Finish was bad imo. I think there was a sunset flip botch as well from memory. Good match though, but I think the ladder match was better.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

They're also the tag team champions, who lost a non-title match to a group of wrestlers who've done literally nothing since becoming a stable. It's not like a death nail for the New Day or anything (see: the Wyatts after fighting Taker/Kane) but it didn't help them at all either.

Now they've done something, beat New Day