KenzinFive
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For additional context, this was the night after Wrestlemania where Del Rio had just defended his title.
Oh, and Del Rio is supposed to be the babyface and Ziggler the heel at this point. MITB cash-ins are almost always hype.
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For additional context, this was the night after Wrestlemania where Del Rio had just defended his title.
Oh, and Del Rio is supposed to be the babyface and Ziggler the heel at this point. MITB cash-ins are almost always hype.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Damn, that was dirty. Though, I gotta say, those two dudes both seem like B-tier characters to me. Am I off with that estimation? What are they doing with the World Heavyweight Championship Belt?
Also, just saw one just a bit ago where Batista came and beat the hell out of Edge then CM Punk cashed in and basically did his finisher and won the belt. Ice cold lol.
The funny thing about the build was that HHH and Stephanie continually talk about WCW when last night Sting said in his promo that it wasn't about WCW because that would be ridiculous. Don't think anyone's made a fool out of HHH and Stephanie on the mic in a long time.
Man. Remember Big E?
ShadowsFell
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Indeed. I think the tag line for the match is now:
"I have a bat."
"I have a sledgehammer."
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Sibersk Esto
Banned
you aren't wrong with the "b-tier character part." Ziggler's got a good look and can put on a good match but his bumping is ridiculous and his mic skills are bad. Alberto's damn good in the ring but character wise he was as compelling as a baloney sandwich.
Unfortunately in its later years the WHC was put on a lower pedestal than the WWE title, despite being the better design.
Vince's meta-commentary on those god damn Millennials.
Predictions:
Cesaro/Kidd (c) vs The Usos vs New Day vs Los Matadores
Usos get their Wrestlemania moment... on the pre-show.
The Second Annual Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal - NXT Kid
I'm guessing this will be Finn Balor. Either way, he will get pushed too quickly and everything will fall apart a month after Mania.
Miz and Mizdow feud will come to an end at some point at the middle of the match. Crowd will pop huge, at which point Mark Henry or Big Show will "comically" toss both men over the top rope.
Rusev (c) vs John Cena – United States Championship
Obvious with the way the story is being built. Cena wins at Mania, promising, heel up and comer be damned.
Randy Orton vs Seth Rollins
I really think they're going to put the babyface over here, and it'll be fine because SETH STILL HAS THE BRIEFCASE LOSSES DON'T MEAN ANYTHING LOL
Really hoping I'm wrong on this one.
Daniel Bryan vs Stardust vs Luke Harper vs Dean Ambrose vs R Truth vs Wade Barrett (c) – WWE Intercontinental Championship Ladder Match
Champ retains because lol unpredictable. That midget GOAT Daniel Bryan got his moment last year, it's not happening again. I think this will be a great match and reminiscent of the MITB matches of Manias passed.
AJ Lee and Paige vs The Bella Twins
This could go either way, but probably the babyfaces go over.
The Undertaker vs Bray Wyatt
Taker isn't losing two years in a row. They've already shown that they're okay with killing Bray's momentum at Mania, they will do it again this year.
Sting vs Triple H
HHH is finally okay with jobbing at Mania to put people over. He will do the right thing here. Should be a great match.
Brock Lesnar (c) vs Roman Reigns
This was the plan from the start. Nothing is changing, even if Brock stays. There will be no cash in by Seth. At the very earliest, it'll happen the next night on Raw, but I think it will happen eventually, Seth will steal the belt, and the two will feud for a few months.
The crowd will completely shit on Reigns, be extremely pro-Lesnar, and Reigns "celebrating" with the belt as the show goes off the air will be a disaster. Should be even worse the next night on Raw. At least there's that to look forward to, I guess.
Cesaro/Kidd (c) vs The Usos vs New Day vs Los Matadores
Usos get their Wrestlemania moment... on the pre-show.
The Second Annual Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal - NXT Kid
I'm guessing this will be Finn Balor. Either way, he will get pushed too quickly and everything will fall apart a month after Mania.
Miz and Mizdow feud will come to an end at some point at the middle of the match. Crowd will pop huge, at which point Mark Henry or Big Show will "comically" toss both men over the top rope.
Rusev (c) vs John Cena – United States Championship
Obvious with the way the story is being built. Cena wins at Mania, promising, heel up and comer be damned.
Randy Orton vs Seth Rollins
I really think they're going to put the babyface over here, and it'll be fine because SETH STILL HAS THE BRIEFCASE LOSSES DON'T MEAN ANYTHING LOL
Really hoping I'm wrong on this one.
Daniel Bryan vs Stardust vs Luke Harper vs Dean Ambrose vs R Truth vs Wade Barrett (c) – WWE Intercontinental Championship Ladder Match
Champ retains because lol unpredictable. That midget GOAT Daniel Bryan got his moment last year, it's not happening again. I think this will be a great match and reminiscent of the MITB matches of Manias passed.
AJ Lee and Paige vs The Bella Twins
This could go either way, but probably the babyfaces go over.
The Undertaker vs Bray Wyatt
Taker isn't losing two years in a row. They've already shown that they're okay with killing Bray's momentum at Mania, they will do it again this year.
Sting vs Triple H
HHH is finally okay with jobbing at Mania to put people over. He will do the right thing here. Should be a great match.
Brock Lesnar (c) vs Roman Reigns
This was the plan from the start. Nothing is changing, even if Brock stays. There will be no cash in by Seth. At the very earliest, it'll happen the next night on Raw, but I think it will happen eventually, Seth will steal the belt, and the two will feud for a few months.
The crowd will completely shit on Reigns, be extremely pro-Lesnar, and Reigns "celebrating" with the belt as the show goes off the air will be a disaster. Should be even worse the next night on Raw. At least there's that to look forward to, I guess.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Whoa, did not know that. Someone needs to do a 15-20 minute recap of the last ten years in wrestling lol. I'd like to catch up.
Sandow died for our sins so that Mizdow could be born.
I decided my year long try I gave to WWE was over the night of the Royal Rumble, and I am incredibly conflicted.
I can't tell whether this image is the perfect justification that I made the right choice, or the most clear evidence that I was very very wrong to stop watching a few months ago.
Everything about Roman Reigns is so awful that it's almost entertaining. It's not actually. He's still the complete death of anything enjoyable about life, but he's almost into so bad-it's good territory.
I can't tell whether this image is the perfect justification that I made the right choice, or the most clear evidence that I was very very wrong to stop watching a few months ago.
Everything about Roman Reigns is so awful that it's almost entertaining. It's not actually. He's still the complete death of anything enjoyable about life, but he's almost into so bad-it's good territory.
ric flair retires
shawn michaels and undertaker had a match
cm punk says some stuff
cm punk and john cena have a match
rock vs john cena
daniel bryan beats john cena clean
royal rumble is a mess
streak is over, enter god king brock lesnar
the boyhood dream has come true for daniel bryan
god king brock murders cena
balee dat
I think that's everything.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Streak, as in Undertaker's winning streak?
Whatever happened to Kane?
I know JBL was big for a while. Is he finally gone too? I hate that idiot.
Arrowgigantic
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Prediction: Tyler Breeze will win the Battle Royale spot as part of his call-up.
That is legit and not just because of the Avatar Rumble.
That is legit and not just because of the Avatar Rumble.
It's worth watching just to see the air completely get sucked out of the building when the match ends.
you don't want to know.
i'm afraid I've got some bad news.
WWF bought WCW, got lazy on the creative end due to any and all competition having far lower visibility than WCW did.
Linda McMahon decided to run for congress or some shit, so they changed the product to PG-era to try and cleanse the company's image.
Cena. Very few dudes got into a program with him and got anything helpful for their character or spot. Usually they just got squashed and then they floundered.
Benoit died and they put a Raw on celebrating his life, then they found out he murdered his own family, now Benoit is sort of omitted from WWE history where it's convenient.
Randy Orton got tattoos so his arms look like Jax.
Chyna can't be in the Hall of Fame because she did porno, but you know X-Pac will be because he's HHH's homie, despite having been in a porno... with Chyna.
The network launched a year late and even a year after its launch, people are just now getting to where they don't complain about it *too* much.
Still no new Wrestlefest.
Yeah you can expect most cash ins to be dirty lol. You're not off about those guys being B-Tier, but at that time the WHC was treated as the B tier belt where the champ would prove their weight i guess before the main event. Both of those guys are right on the cusp of being A tier stars. Like how the IC title used to be i guess. So the belt was used to springboard careers, but that changed when they unified the wwe championship with the whc in 2013
as for people still upset about sandow's cash in - what? did you want him to go on and main event boring matches and fill em with cartwheels? lol
He's Corporate Kane now. Still wrestles. It is awful.
JBL is a main commentator now. It is awful.
ShadowsFell
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He's not good in the ring, he's not good on the mic, he lacks charisma, and is a perfect example of the favoritism given to large, muscular, good-looking men in the company. He's also getting reflected heat as a result of the WWE squandering a great potential match, build-up and storyline that could have been the mania main event between Daniel Bryan, and Brock Lesnar.
Additionally, it's also because Daniel Bryan is one of the best, if not the best wrestler on the planet in the ring, and much better mic worker than Roman as well. He doesn't have the size or the look that the WWE is known for favoring, and the contrast between he and Roman in these regards is a huge part of that too.
He's awful on the mic. They also give him embarrassingly bad promos.
He's limited in the ring.
On his own, he's honestly totally okay and could be fun. The problem is that WWE has put him at the very top of the roster with doing almost no work to get him to that point, picked over a decent selection of other wrestlers that are far more capable of being the top guy. They have not done the work to make us buy into it.
It doesn't help that in real life interviews he acts very entitled and like a bit of an asshole.
as nauseating as it can be for regular viewers, i really like wwe's video packages cause it's super easy to say to someone "just watch the upcoming ppv and they'll explain practically everything to you"
talented, good looking, charismatic young athlete who still has kinks to work out (reading crowds and being able to adjust your promo, moveset)
no one would have a problem with him if this match were happening next year but as it stands he was offered an opportunity (anyone would take) at an early stage in his career over guys that have been there longer with more experience. it becomes a pretty transparent handpicked to glory situation over a lot of crowd favourites who the audience feels deserves it more so there has been a ton of backlash
talented, good looking, charismatic young athlete who still has kinks to work out (reading crowds and being able to adjust your promo, moveset)
no one would have a problem with him if this match were happening next year but as it stands he was offered an opportunity (anyone would take) at an early stage in his career over guys that have been there longer with more experience. it becomes a pretty transparent handpicked to glory situation over a lot of crowd favourites who the audience feels deserves it more so there has been a ton of backlash
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
What the hell is that. That is not Kane! ShiaLaBeoufnononono.gif
Kane needs to put the mask back on, damn it.
JBL is commentating?! Why... just why?!
Also, I heard something about "The Association" or something like that? Triple H got a new band of b + c - tiers to follow him along?
Well for starters,
1. His matches are little to be desired. If you enjoy dying punches and spears...thats all you are going to get in a Roman Reigns match.
2. His promos are atrocious to mediocre. When he was in the Shield (his former team), he actually said one sentence and keep it moving...but as a solo performer, his promos are so bad it's amazing.
3. He's one dimensional. There's nothsing to him besides the fact that he was the strong man in the shield. His former member have personality oozing off of their pores. Seth Rollins is golden as a heel and Dean Ambrose is good for what he is *the lunatic fringe*...Reigns......he's just the guy that walks through the crowds, punches the ground and lays in a corner because he's too gassed to even provide a 4 star match, let alone 3 stars,
Bottom line, he's just plain lucky and it's all about the look with Reigns to be honest.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
I tried watching it, but I just couldn't really enjoy it because there was no real wrestlers in it. Girls pretending to be the wrestlers was kind of annoying, really.
Or is that a different thing?
The Authority. It's been part of the main story for the past 2 years with very little change.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Ahh, that's it. The Authority. As in, I (HHH) married into the ownership? Or what's their deal/story?
#bait
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
JaseMath
Member
So really, he's got "the look" of a star, but none of the other things that along with it?
I like really like Daniel Bryan though. If Vince was honest with his fans (and not outright lie about how he listens to them), he'd make Bryan the top face in WWE. That's obviously what people want to see. Pops like this make me want to watch wrestling again.
Oh god.
KenzinFive
Member
It's also a case of wrong place, wrong time, as there were several people that crowds felt were more talented and deserved the opportunity more than Reigns, including Ziggler, Ambrose, and Wyatt in the Rumble. The crowd was hating on the Rumble once Bryan was eliminated early because they realized the fix was in, but they went nuclear when those three were anti-climatically eliminated just so Reigns could look like a hero. Then the WWE brought out the Rock to save him and put him over, but the crowd realized that they were being insulted since the company was trying to manipulate them to forget everything that had just happened.
Basically, the crowd sees through the WWE's BS. They know that the company has picked Reigns as their golden boy at the expense of other guys.
That's pretty much it. They are the new Vince story wise. Just way less creative and less crazy. Steph has been particularly good character wise over the past couple years though.
In real life they are both now on the board of directors, and HHH is charge of all the wrestling talent and runs their successful NXT developmental show. Vince still makes all final decisions and the general direction of almost all story lines, which is why shit is the way you see it now.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
He's just being #safe.
Also KJ, Kane had the mask on for a bit last year. You don't want that either. You don't really want him on TV anymore.
ShadowsFell
Member
Yup that's pretty much it. And it stands out so much more with Daniel Bryan being such a contrast to him in most ways. It makes Roman's inadequacy stand out so much more, and gets under the skin of many fans, especially since they believe that Daniel Bryan should be in the position of Roman, and getting the treatment he is now.
Exactly.
And that's the general consensus about Bryan. But most regular fans have just kind of given up on that fight. Most of the anger about Bryan not being where he should be has now been redirected towards Reigns.
They gave him a mask. Unfortunately it also included a really bad wig and the mask never actually fit his face anywhere remotely right, so he always looked doofy as hell. It was wonderful.
Also during this time they only referred to him as "The Demon Kane," and when he doesn't have the mask and instead has slacks he's "Corporate Kane" because that never gets old.
I don't know how it would happen, but I want to see Seth Rollins cash in and win it at WM31. Everyone is expecting Reigns to side with Heyman and become the next champ (which admittedly would be a hell of a lot better than a straight up win as a babyface), but no one has ever cashed in at Mania before so it would be a nice surprise.
I'd like to see either that scenario, or Brock just beating the shit out of Reigns and retaining.
I'd like to see either that scenario, or Brock just beating the shit out of Reigns and retaining.
KenzinFive
Member
I would be OK with Reigns winning and Rollins coming down to cash in, only to have Triple H screw Rollins and have Reigns win again, making him the new poster boy of the Authority.
The biggest downside is that Rollins is so, so good as a shitbag heel, and I wouldn't want to give that up...but then we would have Ambrose having to deal with not one, but both of his Shield brothers being backstabbers.
Rollin isnt cashing in.
NihonTiger90
Member
Time for some Wrasslemania predictions, Maggle!
Cesaro/Kidd (c) vs The Usos vs New Day vs Los Matadores
I'd agree that the Usos could have a Wrestlemania moment here ... but being on the pre-show makes me think they want to keep the belts on Cesaro and Kidd. I don't know, but I don't want the champs to lose. Fact.
The Second Annual Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal - Ryback
Ryback has the most to gain from a win here. Makes him look good and could help give him something to do.
Ideally, if we want to put him in a feud, have it be Mark Henry and Ryback at the end. Heel Henry needs to come back (please), and it's ten times better than seeing Ryback feud with Big Show or Kane. In 2015.
Rusev (c) vs John Cena United States Championship
I mean, do you expect anything else? Only positive is that it could free up Rusev to move on to a higher level than U.S. champ.
Randy Orton vs Seth Rollins
Seth's been playing the chickenshit heel in this feud. Generally, that means he gets his come-uppance. But this makes sense for one reason ... I'll explain later.
Daniel Bryan vs Stardust vs Luke Harper vs Dean Ambrose vs R Truth vs Wade Barrett (c) WWE Intercontinental Championship Ladder Match
Basically an attempt to keep things from going crazy later in the night. We'll see how it works, unless ... well, I'll explain later.
AJ Lee and Paige vs The Bella Twins
Now is a good time to go refill your drinks.
The Undertaker vs Bray Wyatt
Taker wins but Bray pushes him to the limit and basically assumes the role Taker had; I expect one Tombstone kickout in this match, bare minimum. Bray can lose this but still come out a winner and a stronger character ... if they script this match right.
Sting vs Triple H
A bit obvious where this is going and a HHH loss doesn't hurt anything either way, since there are no stupid stipulations on this bout.
Brock Lesnar (c) vs Roman Reigns
You know it's happening. I know it's happening. And it makes sense on one condition: Seth Rollins cashes in and defeats a worn-down Roman Reigns. The Raw After Mania cash-in has been done to death and is too predictable, plus it's a waste of what could be a memorable moment (the first Wrestlemania cash-in). Regardless, the belt has to get on Seth quickly; not only can he carry it, but based on Orton's win over him earlier in the night, you have another claimant for the title. Rollins-Orton, Rollins-Reigns, heck even Rollins-Ambrose or Rollins-Ziggler can work.
What won't work is putting the belt on Reigns, and just praying it all works while trying to turn him into Hogan 3.0. He's not there yet and he needs a strong, hated heel for folks to get behind him.
Cesaro/Kidd (c) vs The Usos vs New Day vs Los Matadores
I'd agree that the Usos could have a Wrestlemania moment here ... but being on the pre-show makes me think they want to keep the belts on Cesaro and Kidd. I don't know, but I don't want the champs to lose. Fact.
The Second Annual Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal - Ryback
Ryback has the most to gain from a win here. Makes him look good and could help give him something to do.
Ideally, if we want to put him in a feud, have it be Mark Henry and Ryback at the end. Heel Henry needs to come back (please), and it's ten times better than seeing Ryback feud with Big Show or Kane. In 2015.
Rusev (c) vs John Cena United States Championship
I mean, do you expect anything else? Only positive is that it could free up Rusev to move on to a higher level than U.S. champ.
Randy Orton vs Seth Rollins
Seth's been playing the chickenshit heel in this feud. Generally, that means he gets his come-uppance. But this makes sense for one reason ... I'll explain later.
Daniel Bryan vs Stardust vs Luke Harper vs Dean Ambrose vs R Truth vs Wade Barrett (c) WWE Intercontinental Championship Ladder Match
Basically an attempt to keep things from going crazy later in the night. We'll see how it works, unless ... well, I'll explain later.
AJ Lee and Paige vs The Bella Twins
Now is a good time to go refill your drinks.
The Undertaker vs Bray Wyatt
Taker wins but Bray pushes him to the limit and basically assumes the role Taker had; I expect one Tombstone kickout in this match, bare minimum. Bray can lose this but still come out a winner and a stronger character ... if they script this match right.
Sting vs Triple H
A bit obvious where this is going and a HHH loss doesn't hurt anything either way, since there are no stupid stipulations on this bout.
Brock Lesnar (c) vs Roman Reigns
You know it's happening. I know it's happening. And it makes sense on one condition: Seth Rollins cashes in and defeats a worn-down Roman Reigns. The Raw After Mania cash-in has been done to death and is too predictable, plus it's a waste of what could be a memorable moment (the first Wrestlemania cash-in). Regardless, the belt has to get on Seth quickly; not only can he carry it, but based on Orton's win over him earlier in the night, you have another claimant for the title. Rollins-Orton, Rollins-Reigns, heck even Rollins-Ambrose or Rollins-Ziggler can work.
What won't work is putting the belt on Reigns, and just praying it all works while trying to turn him into Hogan 3.0. He's not there yet and he needs a strong, hated heel for folks to get behind him.
ShadowsFell
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I can potentially see Seth cashing in successfully at mania, because I have a feeling Roman will get absolutely trashed by the crowd the next night on raw if he takes the belt. The only that works is if Roman turns heel. That might be the way to salvage him, and use his heat to their advantage until he brings up his abilities...if he ever does.
You should like whoever you want to.
Wrestling fans don't like Reigns because he became Vince McMahon's favorite son and handpicked appointee to the title despite being kind of dull and not a particularly good speaker.
But he did take acting classes and now enunciates. So now now his catchphrase, once spoken as "belee dat" is now "believe that."
i want to see reigns get his shit kicked in and lose
seth can attempt a cash in and get demolished
brock enters the andre the giant battle royal and clears the ring
grow out his beard
retain championship till summer slam 2016
join mcu, he can beat the shit out of thanos in a3;pt2 when every other avenger has failed
seth can attempt a cash in and get demolished
brock enters the andre the giant battle royal and clears the ring
grow out his beard
retain championship till summer slam 2016
join mcu, he can beat the shit out of thanos in a3;pt2 when every other avenger has failed
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