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Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The only saving grace for Bray's match is that his character consistently doesn't care if he loses and not in that John Cena way.
 

BFIB

Member
I can potentially see Seth cashing in successfully at mania, because I have a feeling roman will get absolutely trashed the next night on raw if he takes the belt. The only that works is if Roman turns heel. That might be the way to salvage him, and use his heat to their advantage until he brings up his abilities...if he ever does.

I don't think this happens. Vince is all in on Roman. That's his guy, whether we like it or not. If anything, I could see Vince turning him heel because he thinks the fans will "boo him for a reason then!"

Shame that once again WWE drops the ball on how to properly build a guy. He was red hot leading into 2014, but sub-par feuds, no proper buildup, poor booking to make him look strong (the ending at this years Rumble was a fucking joke), not to mention him powering out of everything Bryan at Fastlane (despite it not being a horrible match).

Whats bothering the shit of me even more is the fact that Cena is going to bury Rusev.
 

Mahonay

Banned
I can potentially see Seth cashing in successfully at mania, because I have a feeling Roman will get absolutely trashed by the crowd the next night on raw if he takes the belt. The only that works is if Roman turns heel. That might be the way to salvage him, and use his heat to their advantage until he brings up his abilities...if he ever does.
They did it with The Rock when he was Rocky Maivia. People legit despised him as a happy-go-lucky face before they turned him heel, aligning with The Nation of Domination. We can only hope and pray they apply it to this situation as well.
 

Archaix

Drunky McMurder
I don't think this happens. Vince is all in on Roman. That's his guy, whether we like it or not. If anything, I could see Vince turning him heel because he thinks the fans will "boo him for a reason then!"

Shame that once again WWE drops the ball on how to properly build a guy. He was red hot leading into 2014, but sub-par feuds, no proper buildup, poor booking to make him look strong (the ending at this years Rumble was a fucking joke), not to mention him powering out of everything Bryan at Fastlane (despite it not being a horrible match).

Whats bothering the shit of me even more is the fact that Cena is going to bury Rusev.


If we're working from the assumption that Roman wins, doesn't it make far more sense for Russev to win so that Reigns has a credible opponent to defend his title against?

Nah. Fuck it. Big Show and Kane aren't busy.
 

Toki767

Member
I don't think this happens. Vince is all in on Roman. That's his guy, whether we like it or not. If anything, I could see Vince turning him heel because he thinks the fans will "boo him for a reason then!"

Shame that once again WWE drops the ball on how to properly build a guy. He was red hot leading into 2014, but sub-par feuds, no proper buildup, poor booking to make him look strong (the ending at this years Rumble was a fucking joke), not to mention him powering out of everything Bryan at Fastlane (despite it not being a horrible match).

Whats bothering the shit of me even more is the fact that Cena is going to bury Rusev.

Leading into 2014, he still had the Shield as a crutch. He has only had 2 really good, but not fantastic/memorable matches on his own. One against Randy Orton and one against Daniel Bryan who both carried him.

All his other memorable matches? Basically Rollins and Ambrose doing all the work along with their opponents.

He needed another year or two, except by then, he'd be 32 and probably wouldn't be doing this for 10 years like Cena. I don't even think he'll be doing this for 5 years.

If we're working from the assumption that Roman wins, doesn't it make far more sense for Russev to win so that Reigns has a credible opponent to defend his title against?

Nah. Fuck it. Big Show and Kane aren't busy.

It would make sense but let's face it. Cena is still going to be the top guy even if Reigns wins.

Also they aren't going to do to Reigns what they did to Bryan by forcing him into a feud with Kane/Big Show after winning the title. They know how to make a guy and they know how to make you not care about a guy.
 

Mahonay

Banned
Whats bothering the shit of me even more is the fact that Cena is going to bury Rusev.
I think Rusev will be fine. They've built him into a monster. This is one case where Cena winning makes total sense. Even if it's about as predictable as it gets.
 

RP912

Banned
I don't think Cena will beat Russev. It would be some amazing shit to have Cena fall from grace by a camel clutch on the grandest stage of them all.
 

Archaix

Drunky McMurder
Also they aren't going to do to Reigns what they did to Bryan by forcing him into a feud with Kane/Big Show after winning the title. They know how to make a guy and they know how to make you not care about a guy.


Do they? Do they really? Do you have any evidence from this side of 2004 to back up that hypothesis?
 

Kaladin

Member
I hope you're ready for Wrestlemania, Jack.

Brock Lesnar is going to kill a man's dreams live on national TV.

Believe that.
 
I don't think this happens. Vince is all in on Roman. That's his guy, whether we like it or not. If anything, I could see Vince turning him heel because he thinks the fans will "boo him for a reason then!"

Shame that once again WWE drops the ball on how to properly build a guy. He was red hot leading into 2014, but sub-par feuds, no proper buildup, poor booking to make him look strong (the ending at this years Rumble was a fucking joke), not to mention him powering out of everything Bryan at Fastlane (despite it not being a horrible match).

Whats bothering the shit of me even more is the fact that Cena is going to bury Rusev.
Yeah, I can unfortunately see the hardheadedness possibly continue with Roman.
 

RyudBoy

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I would be OK with Reigns winning and Rollins coming down to cash in, only to have Triple H screw Rollins and have Reigns win again, making him the new poster boy of the Authority.

The biggest downside is that Rollins is so, so good as a shitbag heel, and I wouldn't want to give that up...but then we would have Ambrose having to deal with not one, but both of his Shield brothers being backstabbers.

Not sure I'm ready for Seth as a babyface either.
 

Toki767

Member
Do they? Do they really? Do you have any evidence from this side of 2004 to back up that hypothesis?

Just because they've spent the past 10 years making you not want to care about people doesn't mean they don't know how to make you care about someone.

All they have to do is the complete opposite.
 
Not sure I'm ready for Seth as a babyface either.

Maybe they keep Rollins a heel, but under the thumb of the Authority, since he's kayfabe scared of going against them or doing anything else. He plays second fiddle to Roman and gets treated like dirt by him and the rest of the Authority until a few months later when he can't take it anymore and finally turns face. Maybe he gets stopped by Triple H before the bell actually rings and is still holding onto the briefcase come MITB, where he has to take a risk of cashing in and earning the ire of the Authority.
 

Into

Member
Can someone explain why I shouldn't like Roman Reigns?

I'm going to a WM watch party on Sunday, don't watch wrestling anymore, and I have no idea why people like or don't like Roman.


Did you watch WWF and/or WCW back in the day? Remember when you first saw Lex Luger and you were like "fuck Hulkamania, Savage and Warrior, this guy will be bigger than all!" and you saw him walking to the ring, and he just looked like a Greek god, he made Stallone look like Sonic the Hedgehog by comparison.

And then you saw him talk, and wrestle, and just his mannerisms and the whole image that you had just shattered into millions of pieces. That is kinda what Roman sadly is, there is just something about him that is really unconvincing especially when he talks. He seems like the most chill guy out there, but as far as some babyface who wants to win? Nah.
 

Toki767

Member
Did you watch WWF and/or WCW back in the day? Remember when you first saw Lex Luger and you were like "fuck Hulkamania, Savage and Warrior, this guy will be bigger than all!" and you saw him walking to the ring, and he just looked like a Greek god, he made Stallone look like Sonic the Hedgehog by comparison.

And then you saw him talk, and wrestle, and just his mannerisms and the whole image that you had just shattered into millions of pieces. That is kinda what Roman sadly is, there is just something about him that is really unconvincing especially when he talks. He seems like the most chill guy out there, but as far as some babyface who wants to win? Nah.

Luger was miles ahead of Reigns at least.
 

Into

Member
Luger was miles ahead of Reigns at least.

Sadly yes

He is a poor mans version of Kevin Nash in terms of promo, a better wrestler tough, but considering Nash's ability that is faint praise. At least Nash had a spark in his eye, a certain charisma about him, he was a douche in real life and that helped his character. Reigns seems like a much nicer and grounded dude
 

Toki767

Member
Sadly yes

He is a poor mans version of Kevin Nash in terms of promo, a better wrestler tough, but considering Nash's ability that is faint praise. At least Nash had a spark in his eye, a certain charisma about him, he was a douche in real life and that helped his character. Reigns seems like a much nicer and grounded dude

He really is basically Nash.

The guy WWE TV tells you is super cool and big and strong so you should cheer for him but just never really gives off that aura.

Diesel was not cool, despite having his "Big Daddy Cool" nickname. Kevin Nash in WCW was cool.
 

TxdoHawk

Member
If there was some kind of reverse parlay where I could bet that either Cena, Sting or The Undertaker loses, I'd take that bet. Way too many "obvious" matches for there not to be a swerve.
 
Did you watch WWF and/or WCW back in the day? Remember when you first saw Lex Luger and you were like "fuck Hulkamania, Savage and Warrior, this guy will be bigger than all!" and you saw him walking to the ring, and he just looked like a Greek god, he made Stallone look like Sonic the Hedgehog by comparison.

And then you saw him talk, and wrestle, and just his mannerisms and the whole image that you had just shattered into millions of pieces. That is kinda what Roman sadly is, there is just something about him that is really unconvincing especially when he talks. He seems like the most chill guy out there, but as far as some babyface who wants to win? Nah.

Lugar was never bigger or cooler than Warrior.
 

Heel

Member
I have no idea who will win, and I'm not invested in the outcomes. I'm just going to go to a WrestleMania viewing party with my fellow lapsed fans and enjoy their company. #Safe
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The only swerve that would really surprise me is Cena losing, but I mean

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Into

Member
Lugar was never bigger or cooler than Warrior.

Never said he was, read the post again, i said when you saw Luger, you got the impression that he was going to be gigantic, a icon. But once you saw him speak and wrestle, the whole image fell down

Why would i compare Reigns to Luger if i said Luger was bigger than Warrior? The point of using Luger is that he looked the part, but lacked everything else. At least Warrior also had good charisma and presence to go with godlike physique. Reigns does not have that
 

Xiaoki

Member
Cena is one of the all times greats, roman isn't.
John Cena has also been in WWE for 15 years.

How about comparing Roman Reigns to The Prototype instead.

LOL ... Yeah.

Reigns didn't cut his teeth in the indies either like Tyler Black or John Moxley.

Reigns not having the mic or ring experience isn't his fault(coming back so soon after back surgery probably didn't help either), so blame Vince for putting him in this situation while still so green.
 
Can someone explain why I shouldn't like Roman Reigns?

I'm going to a WM watch party on Sunday, don't watch wrestling anymore, and I have no idea why people like or don't like Roman.

I can't think of a reason not to like him, I mean he's had 2 amazingly awesome PPV matches under his belt, he's obviously paid his dues. People hating are just disgruntled Daniel Bryan fans. Reigns proved in his 2 solo PPV matches he is ready to main event PPV's.

I can't even type this shit with a straight face
 

Ithil

Member
Cena was always a good mic worker. Even when he was green as hell on Smackdown, he had charisma, and speaking ability.

Reigns can't be compared to "the Prototype". That'd be Leakee in FCW. At this stage (two years into his main roster career) Cena was a super over midcard champion with a rapping gimmick.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Never said he was, read the post again, i said when you saw Luger, you got the impression that he was going to be gigantic, a icon. But once you saw him speak and wrestle, the whole image fell down

Why would i compare Reigns to Luger if i said Luger was bigger than Warrior? The point of using Luger is that he looked the part, but lacked everything else. At least Warrior also had good charisma and presence to go with godlike physique. Reigns does not have that

Reigns will get a pass from me if he can pull one of these off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkEl_R0dTfY
 

Uzzy

Member
If we're working from the assumption that Roman wins, doesn't it make far more sense for Russev to win so that Reigns has a credible opponent to defend his title against?

Nah. Fuck it. Big Show and Kane aren't busy.

Triple Threat Match at Extreme Rules for the WWE Championship: Reigns (c) vs Big Show vs Kane
 
Never said he was, read the post again, i said when you saw Luger, you got the impression that he was going to be gigantic, a icon. But once you saw him speak and wrestle, the whole image fell down

Why would i compare Reigns to Luger if i said Luger was bigger than Warrior? The point of using Luger is that he looked the part, but lacked everything else. At least Warrior also had good charisma and presence to go with godlike physique. Reigns does not have that

Guess I misinterpreted it, but yeah Lugar no doubt had a good look going for him. Revisiting the NG era I feel that Lugar is kinda underrated these days. Roman makes him look like HBK. Lugar can at least pass on the mic
 

Kaladin

Member
You guys really think Roman Reigns will win at Wrestlemania?

After all the time and effort they put into building Brock Lesnar as a beast that isn't on any other Superstar's level?

I'm glad we didn't get Bryan vs Brock yet, Brock Lesnar is the immovable object that the unstoppable force can't move.
 

Toki767

Member
You guys really think Roman Reigns will win at Wrestlemania?

After all the time and effort they put into building Brock Lesnar as a beast that isn't on any other Superstar's level?

I'm glad we didn't get Bryan vs Brock yet, Brock Lesnar is the immovable object that the unstoppable force can't move.

Considering Lesnar hasn't signed a new deal yet. Reigns is pretty much winning.

If Lesnar does sign a new deal, then that opens up some more possibilities.
 
Bray's promo was amazing last night, when he actually has something to say, he's gold. The shithead audience even gave up on WHAT chants by the end.
 

Kaladin

Member
The way Raw ended yesterday just screams that he hasn't signed a deal yet. They didn't want to make anyone look too strong over the other in case plans change so it ended with both of them looking silly.

Deal or no deal, I just don't see how the preferred outcome is a Roman Reigns win.

The way I see it.

Either Brock wins and continues as conqueror, or Reigns wins and Rollins cashes in.
 

RyudBoy

Member
Maybe they keep Rollins a heel, but under the thumb of the Authority, since he's kayfabe scared of going against them or doing anything else. He plays second fiddle to Roman and gets treated like dirt by him and the rest of the Authority until a few months later when he can't take it anymore and finally turns face. Maybe he gets stopped by Triple H before the bell actually rings and is still holding onto the briefcase come MITB, where he has to take a risk of cashing in and earning the ire of the Authority.

I don't want to see Triple H involved in anything concerning the main event at WM. :p

But that could work anytime other than there. When they do decide to turn Seth, I hope they do a slow turn, just no where as bad as how they handled Orton.
 

somedevil

Member
Do bookies actually take bets on Wwe? How the hell does that work? Of course that system can be beaten!

Yes, you can bet on matches on certain sites. The usual pattern is like an hour before the show the smart money comes in from people who know the results swinging the odds to the favorites giving away the winners of the matches.

So if you look you can know the Wrestlemania results before the show even starts.
 
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