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WSJ: Sony May Lose 178B Yen on PS3

Sony's Results Still May Falter,
Despite New Managers' Efforts


By PHRED DVORAK
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
July 7, 2005

TOKYO -- Now that Sony Corp. has a new management team, investors are eagerly waiting to see what it will do.

Yet many stock analysts warn that Japan's most famous electronics company is in for a rough few years -- no matter what steps the new executives take.

Sony shareholders last month approved the appointments of Chief Executive Howard Stringer and President Ryoji Chubachi, ushering in the first foreign-led management team in Sony's history. The changes in the executive suite followed the sudden announcement in March that Sony's previous top managers would step down, amid a continuing slide in electronics earnings.

Sony's share price, which had shot up as high as 4,400 yen ($39.39) after the management overhaul was announced, is now trading at about the same 3,900-yen level as it was in early February, before the management upheaval. Yesterday, Sony's shares rose 1.8%, or 70 yen, to 3,880 yen in Tokyo.

Attention now turns to the end of September, when Messrs. Stringer and Chubachi have said they will announce their strategy for turning around Sony's struggling electronics business and rejuvenating its famous brand.

Many investors are hoping for big changes, including possible cuts to personnel and product lines, as well as clearer explanations of where profits will come from and how fast they will rise. Sony's new executives have said they would try to meet those expectations.

"I have to be tough," Mr. Stringer told shareholders in June. "I really do need your support and understanding."

Yet in a sobering reminder of just how big a challenge Sony's new executive team faces, many analysts are already forecasting years of sluggish earnings and a stagnant share price -- even before the turnaround plan is announced.

That is because Sony is in a squeeze as far as its gadgets go. Profits are tumbling or evaporating on previous money makers such as digital cameras and televisions as rivals pump out similar goods on the cheap. Prices are falling so steeply that analysts say cost cutting alone can't get Sony's profits back.

But the new and potentially hot technologies Sony is readying -- a super-fast chip dubbed Cell and a next-generation DVD system called Blu-ray -- are still many months away from being on retailers' shelves. Both are scheduled to roll out in volume next year, and many analysts say they are likely to cost Sony more money before they start earning any back.

Sony will then have to gin up even more new technologies, products or business models if it is really going to boost profit -- a process that is likely to be lengthy, risky and costly -- even as the company goes through further restructuring.

"There's no quick fix," says Yuji Fujimori, an electronics analyst at Goldman Sachs in Tokyo who predicts that Sony's shares will remain unattractive to investors until at least March 2007.

One drag on Sony's earnings for the next year or two will be its PlayStation 3 videogame console, scheduled for release next spring. The game machine will have both Sony's Cell chip and a Blu-ray drive, making it key in the company's lineup.

Yet analysts say fierce competition with Microsoft's new Xbox 360 game console, expected out this year, means Sony will have to keep PlayStation 3 prices relatively low, and it will take longer for the business to become profitable. Merrill Lynch recently cut its earnings forecast for Sony in the year to March 2007, on the expectation that the electronics and videogames divisions will experience about 178 billion yen in losses as they put Cell and other expensive components into the PlayStation 3 and sell it below cost.

What is more, analysts say Sony could have trouble earning much money on the Cell chip at all unless it is put into devices besides game machines -- something Sony has said it would do, but would take yet more time and entail additional initial investment.

Another drag on Sony's earnings is likely to be continued reorganization and cost-cutting in electronics, where analysts say it still has much more to do. Morgan Stanley estimates that in restructuring its business, Sony is about two years behind its biggest Japanese competitor, Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., and would do well to lift its operating-profit margin -- a key indicator of business profitability -- to about 3% by the year ending March 31, 2007, from 1.6% in the most recent fiscal year.

Says Morgan Stanley analyst Masahiro Ono: "Unless Sony is extremely good at restructuring and refocusing electronics, it just won't recover."
 
Merrill Lynch know nothing! They suck balls! They are a shit company! Their analysts suck! They know nothing about the costs! Thier maths is all wrong! They are ANAL-YST ! AM I RITE! LOL

Right - that's about every comment possible on Merril covered! See? I save you typing!
 
DCharlie said:
Merrill Lynch know nothing! They suck balls! They are a shit company! Their analysts suck! They know nothing about the costs! Thier maths is all wrong! They are ANAL-YST ! AM I RITE! LOL

Right - that's about every comment possible on Merril covered! See? I save you typing!

Hmmmmm...

Wait a minute. Didn't you say Sony would lose 178B yen last year??!?! Aha!

a) DCharlie says Sony will lose 178B yen
b) Merrill says Sony will lose 178B yen
ergo -> c) DCharlie works for Merrill

c) DCharlie works for Merrill
d) DCharlie has it in for Sony
ergo -> e) Merrill has it in for Sony, this report is teh biased

It's all soooo transparent. :D

Just kidding. While they probably don't have the numbers that right, Sony and Microsoft are both going to seriously lose their rears on the system initially. Microsoft just has an endless rear.
 
Microsoft is going to make them bleed. They know Sony, as a company, is on the ropes. They will go for the death blow. They do this to other competitors. Not saying it'll be easy, but they will lose money, so you don't gain money. Kinda hard fighting Scrooge McDuck money bin like cash flow
 
Agent Icebeezy said:
Microsoft is going to make them bleed. They know Sony, as a company, is on the ropes. They will go for the death blow. They do this to other competitors. Not saying it'll be easy, but they will lose money, so you don't gain money. Kinda hard fighting Scrooge McDuck money bin like cash flow

Except that the WSJ and Merrill Lynch missed a major piece of the puzzle by completely ignoring how profitable the PS2 market will be for Sony over the next 5 years. By contrast, MS is bailing out of the current XBOX market completely.
 
Except that the WSJ and Merrill Lynch missed a major piece of the puzzle by completely ignoring how profitable the PS2 market will be for Sony over the next 5 years. By contrast, MS is bailing out of the current XBOX market completely.

Well, i agree with what you say, but i don't think its pertinent to this article. The PS2 profit story has been priced in for years. Everyone on the street knows it, and has known it for a loooong time. The article is discussing potential new developments (or the lack of them).

The comparison with MS is also irrelevant for Sony shareholders (or potential Sony shareholders), which is whom this article is aimed at. Doesn't help them that MS won't have much Xbox revenue over the next few years....
 
"a) DCharlie says Sony will lose 178B yen
b) Merrill says Sony will lose 178B yen
ergo -> c) DCharlie works for Merrill

c) DCharlie works for Merrill
d) DCharlie has it in for Sony
ergo -> e) Merrill has it in for Sony, this report is teh biased

It's all soooo transparent. "

a) DCharlie didn't say Sony would lose 178B yen
b) Merrill did say that
c) ergo.... DCharlie doesn't work for Merrill... but if they are hiring...

;)
 
MassiveAttack said:
Except that the WSJ and Merrill Lynch missed a major piece of the puzzle by completely ignoring how profitable the PS2 market will be for Sony over the next 5 years. By contrast, MS is bailing out of the current XBOX market completely.

I agree, but the fact remains. Sony, as a company, is stretched out way more than Microsoft is as a company. They have other sectors they need to improve in as well. PS2 money can only do so much. Microsoft has been primed for this for quite a while, as it seems with the level of preperation that they have done. Sony comes into this generation as the undisputed champion, no doubt about that. However, they do come susceptible to getting knocked out. That is the difference between the PS2 era and this generation. Sega is was too broke to compete. The bottom line for Nintendo is the bottom line. Microsoft got into this gen too late. Microsoft, the 360 version, represents Sony's first real competitor.
 
Best move Sony could make is to cancel the playstation project and refocus on radios.
 
DCharlie said:
Merrill Lynch know nothing! They suck balls! They are a shit company! Their analysts suck! They know nothing about the costs! Thier maths is all wrong! They are ANAL-YST ! AM I RITE! LOL

Right - that's about every comment possible on Merril covered! See? I save you typing!


:lol :lol :lol

I love this forum.
 
SCE net profile/loss (billion yen)
FY1999 49.2+ (PS2 launched)
FY2000 22.2-
FY2001 50.7+
FY2002 73.9+
FY2003 57.1+
FY2004 ??.?+ (opr inc 67.6+)

now Merrill Lynch estimated SCE to lose 178 billion yen on PS3
interesting

i will expect SCE to report net loss in FY2005 (just like FY2000)
then recover the next year FY2006 (just like FY2001)
 
"on the expectation that the electronics and videogames divisions will experience about 178 billion yen in losses as they put Cell and other expensive components into the PlayStation 3 and sell it below cost."

they expect electronics + videogames division to experience a 178 billion yen loss, not SCE.

Cell costs, bluray etc aren't booked to the video games segment.

Sony is about two years behind its biggest Japanese competitor, Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., and would do well to lift its operating-profit margin -- a key indicator of business profitability -- to about 3% by the year ending March 31, 2007, from 1.6% in the most recent fiscal year.
i believe the T60 target was a 10% profit margin in 2007 ( a one of year at 10%, then ... well, i'm not sure what the plan was!) The head of sony laughed this off (pre-ousting from the board) saying "Well, it was just a target, not something we'd ever achieve" or words to that effect (which i'm sure made investors feel fantastic)
 
januswon said:
SCE net profile/loss (billion yen)
FY2000 22.2- (PS2 launched)
FY2001 50.7+
FY2002 73.9+
FY2003 57.1+
FY2004 ??.?+ (opr inc 67.6+)

now Merrill Lynch estimated SCE to lose 178 billion yen on PS3
interesting

i will expect SCE to report net loss in FY2006 (just like FY2000)
then recover the next year FY2005 (just like FY2001)

FYI, PS3 won't be out (for long) in Sony's FY2006 and the PS2 launched in FY1999
 
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