anonymous_abc
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is there a list what MB are compatible with this?
Will my 1st generation MBPr be compatible?
Will my 1st generation MBPr be compatible?
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WWDC14 Thread of iOS 8 and Mac OSX 10.10
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anonymous_abc
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Thanks, though they don't specifically mention the handoff, but I assume I'm good anyway.
Macbook Pros started using Bluetooth 4.0 in mid 2012 I believe.
Ah, I missed that you wanted that specific functionality.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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You still get text messages on your computer even if you have a 2010 machine, though.
Do you know about calls as well?
The Real Abed
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What about making calls from the computer. Are those wifi? Since it apparently works without proximity.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Yep, I got notifications for those in DP1 with an iPhone 5 and a 2010 Air that I keep as a backup. I never answered with the computer, though. I also haven't used it in DP2 to know if they took it out.
jts
...hate me...
Ha, good to know. If messages and calls come through, I'm golden.
jts
...hate me...
This was actually my first Mac and it's amazing how well it still stands after 4 years completed. No computer of mine felt so fresh even after a couple of years. Had 2 upgrades though: 8GB RAM and an SSD.
But yes, it's still getting long in the tooth and there are features I've been wanting to take advantage of (faster I/O, Airplay, something better than 1280x800), but I'll be glad if Yosemite doesn't rush me. Pointing towards holiday 2014, early 2015 at latest...
Cool. Thanks for the info
Yeah, those are WiFi. I think they said both devices need to be on the same WiFi network, that's how it figures out the proximity in this particular case.
It doesn't need Bluetooth LE because your phone is never on sleep when it rings, so the wifi is active anyway
The Real Abed
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very year. So in depth. Though it gets later and later every time. Looking forward to it.
badcrumble
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Not at all (though I wonder how he'll handle the increased emphasis on device interconnectivity and cloud services).
The Real Abed
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I'll gladly keep it on just for this stuff. I guess if it's inevitable since there's no other way to detect proximity. If only you could optionally eschew the proximity and have it do its thing no matter where you are in the WiFi network instead. Anyone know the exact proximity you need to be for it to pop up the little buttons?
Me too. The DP's are really outdated. I am really looking forward to the more complete version they showed off on stage.
I wonder if 10.10 will be his last, because for a couple of years now he's been talking about stopping.
I could see the public beta starting maybe a month before a release. Beta 3 is way too soon.
The Real Abed
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That's way too late. You'd want as much people testing as much as they can for as long as they can. But they'd also want it to be in a presentable state. So we'll see. If right now there's about 4 months before release right now, maybe about 2-3 months before release we might get the Beta? At least I'm hoping.
I'm just sad there isn't going to be one for iOS 8. It'd be awesome if they put out PB's of both 10.10 and iOS8 at the same time to give testers the full impact of the new stuff coming up. Yosemite alone is gonna be pretty gimped without its iOS8 counterpart stuff.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
A pity. I really don't care how these rules impact developers, users do not deserved to be subjected to abusive practices and all of these qualify. To the extent that they subsidize development or app prices, the subsidy isn't worth it.
Eh, reading through the linked article about what's covered, I don't think it's that big a deal. People want to spam their Facebook friends to earn a few more coins? That's a business consideration that can backfire on the people doing the promotion/the app.
Seems like it's an alternative to paying actual money for in-app purchases.
badcrumble
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Agreed. Apple's imperative is and should be to improve the quality of the offerings on the App Store (as well as its curation). Apps like those are shit shovelware and do nothing to improve the iOS experience.
Hopefully the much-needed improvements to App Store curation happen over the next year and they can simply use those to bury social sharing/video reward apps at the bottom of the garbage pile where they belong.
brianmcdoogle
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The other day, I went through the settings on my iPhone and iPad running the beta and configured a bunch of stuff (notifications, privacy, and background refresh) to make them more like I normally use the devices. Since I did this, both devices are now kinda unstable. I've had two hard crashes, Safari on the iPad no longer stores cookies no matter the cookie setting in Safari's setting pane, Echofon crashes at launch, and Reeder no longer syncs.
Which is all a shame because beta 2 was working pretty well for me. And, fwiw, MacRumors is reporting July 8th for beta 3.
Which is all a shame because beta 2 was working pretty well for me. And, fwiw, MacRumors is reporting July 8th for beta 3.
There's Capture One, but it's always been niche. I don't have any plans to switch from Lightroom, but I hope Photos will be as powerful as Aperture was in due time. It won't be at start, since they're starting from scratch, but Apple's AV app teams have proven they're able to iterate quickly.
New image of Photos, btw:
Tell them to take their asses to the Apple Store and schedule a training session.
Also, they can buy Parallels for Mac, which allows the installation of Windows on Macs.
The Real Abed
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As long as I can pull all of my photos out of iPhoto into folders separated by event then import them into Photos and have them put them in the right timeframes instead of just treating them all like they're newly added, I'll be happy.
The other day I had to tell my dad not to buy a book on iPhoto because it was going to probably become super obsolete soon.
The other day I had to tell my dad not to buy a book on iPhoto because it was going to probably become super obsolete soon.
But isn't there some kind of dual boot thing I can do?
Also, there's no Apple store here.
For the love of god, don't install windows to get around the learning curve on a new OS. Show them a few things to get by, and let them teach themselves. If my mom can learn it, your parents sure can
The Real Abed
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Here's a tip: You don't buy a Mac just to run Windows. Only install Windows if they have an app or two that they can't get on OS X. And in that case, use a virtual machine like Parallels. Not BootCamp. Teach them how to use OS X and they will love it eventually. Unless they're the kinds of people who refuse to learn new things because they're different. My dad picked up OS X almost instantly when he switched having never used a Mac before. If they're going to be only using Windows on their new Mac then why have the Mac? I'm sure they bought the Air for a reason. Teach them some tricks. Show them some equivalents. Install some programs that add features they miss.
Honestly, sell it and get a windows machine if they do not want to learn Mac OS X. Why did they even buy a Mac in the first place?
If this is not an option, here is a full tutorial on boot camp:
http://www.redmondpie.com/install-windows-8-on-mac-using-boot-camp-tutorial/
The Real Abed
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Yeah, we're gonna need more info, Madridista. If they're outright unwilling to learn OS X then that's one thing. Sell the machine and get a Windows PC. If they bought the Air themselves then they probably had a reason to. Were they the kinds of people who were always calling you up to fix their machine because they got a bunch of viruses? Or are they really savvy with Windows and never needed help? Was the machine a gift?
Learning a new OS is not that hard. Especially in this day and age. You just need to be willing to learn instead of fighting it the whole way.
Learning a new OS is not that hard. Especially in this day and age. You just need to be willing to learn instead of fighting it the whole way.
badcrumble
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I'm not too worried about this now that I've seen how Apple improved on Final Cut and iMovie after hitting the reset button on both of those projects respectively. Giving OS X a serious native photo library like iOS has will work wonders and likely INCREASE competition in that space now that other people can easily build photo-editing apps without necessarily having to worry about handling the import-from-camera process.
But on the other hand, I look at what's happen to QuickTime Player post-QTX and I get very sad. Apple's failure to open up AVFoundation so you can use third-party codecs like Perian (Perian ceased to work at all as of OS X 10.9, IIRC) is such a damn bummer, as is the total lack of old basic QuickTime Pro features.
The Real Abed
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I guess your options come down to:
Sell the Air and buy them a Windows laptop
Purchase Windows 8 and install in BootCamp (I don't know if you can still install 7)
Which version of Windows are they used to? If it's 7, maybe 8.1 might help? Either way they're gonna be learning new stuff. Would be easier to try and dumb down OS X for them. What do they use the machine for? Internet? Show them the Safari icon and tell them that's internet. Set up all their bookmarks. And make sure they know the trackpad clicks. (So many newbies don't know this at all.) Tell us what they do and we can help you show them equivalents. That's if you don't go the Windows 8 route.
Hey, you're welcome man! Glad we could have a nice discussion about something you didn't want to discuss.
The Real Abed
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Yeah, I would definitely recommend trying to teach them OS X. If they're used to 7, they're going to have to learn a whole bunch of new stuff anyway. Something tells me they only use internet. In which case it's perfect and super easy to show them which icon in the Dock that they will always be able to get to opens up a browser for them.
Or you could get them a Chromebook which is just a browser. It'd save you any Windows trouble and they'd probably pick it up super fast since there's not much to even learn there.
How long have they used a computer? What Windows OS did they start with? Because Microsoft changes Windows literally every time they release a new version with a lot of changes. OS X has changed too but mostly has stayed the same. Either way, all operating systems change drastically so unless they were using the same Windows for their entire computer using lives then they've probably gone through changes at some point.
LyleLanley
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Wouldn't one of the other Mac or OSX threads be a better fit for this discussion?