They're in Yosemite's Safari build.
And Youtube isn't likely to stop fighting it, as constantly breaking downloading tools is what they tell rights holders their DRM is, instead of using actual DRM.
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They're in Yosemite's Safari build.
And Youtube isn't likely to stop fighting it, as constantly breaking downloading tools is what they tell rights holders their DRM is, instead of using actual DRM.
The Real Abed
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Well, in order to do that, you'd have had to change it to HTML5 in the first place. If you didn't install an extension to do that then you should already be on Flash.
An easy way to find out is simply easy and simple..
Open a YouTube video, anything popular or recent, and right click on it. If you get a normal system menu with an option at the bottom that says "About Flash ..." then you're using Flash. If you get a smaller plain white with black text menu with the option at the bottom saying "About the HTML 5 Player" or something of the like, then it's HTML5.
If you have Flash and are still having that problem, then it's a mystery.
But if you determine you are using HTML5, which is so much better for your machine and less intensive on the CPU and memory and I wouldn't recommend switching away from in a million years because HTML5 is so much more superior, then you can just open Preferences and go to Extensions and disable whichever HTML5 YouTube extension you are using. Command+, will open Preferences quickly if you want.
The loss of 1080p and 480p options for me are nothing compared to the feeling of not having to use Flash for YouTube. Especially on OS X where the video player actually puts itself into a "Lion Fullscreen" space when you go fullscreen as opposed to Flash which covers up your browser and makes you unable to do other things at the same time. It's a godsend when you use two displays too.
Oh. Well would you look at that! 1080p is an option for YouTube Center. I didn't even realize that! I guess I had gotten so used to just watching the content and was so used to Yosemite that I didn't even notice the change or that I had a 1080p option.
Hey, Jo Shishido's Cheeks, there's your solution. When you switch to Yosemite in the fall, install YouTube Center. It gives you HTML5 video but allows you to use any resolution you want. (Except 480p which as I said is completely silly in every aspect.) For now just use Flash or live without 1080p.
And I thank them for it. Occasionally I want to download a YT video. Though what you're saying doesn't make sense as the download button rarely breaks. It always works. It's the playing API itself that changes constantly and breaks all the extensions that make YouTube easier to use. Downloading however never stops working because it's a URL to a video file that could only break if they changed the save location. However, other player features that extensions like to add, like disabling autoplay (A feature that every fucking video player SHOULD HAVE GODDAMMIT) occasionally stops working or other small features like resizing the default player, etc, like to occasionally break when YouTube makes API changes.
badcrumble
Member
The other reason Google keeps breaking those extensions is because they generally also contain mechanisms for bypassing YouTube ads.
C'mon son, haven't next-gen rez wars on here taught you anything? It's 4x the resolution.
</pedant>
Does Google calculate ad payouts to creators by views or ad impressions? Because it sucks if I'm gipping people I like because I prefer the superior viewing of the HTML5 player extensions.
The Real Abed
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Yeah. That's an issue too. Though to be honest. I'd rather sit through ads and have a clean unbroken customizable experience with an HTML5 version of the player than have a shitty Flash player with autoplay and no ability to customize my experience even if it had no ads. Surely this is something that can be solved. The people behind HTML5 video specs need to figure out a way of serving up the video with ads that can't be circumvented in any way. I'll watch ads because I usually watch people I'd like to support.
Though YouTube needs to switch to HTML5 completely on their own and offer an option to disable autoplay so I don't need an extension in the first place. The HTML5 player really is glorious and far superior in many ways to the Flash one.
I tried to go a week with Flash disabled (I had to actually disable plugins completely because Safari doesn't let you just disable plugins separately which meant QuickTime also got disabled and if I deleted the Flash plugin itself, Firefox stopped working and I need Flash in Firefox. So ugh.) and it failed miserably. Some sites still require Flash. Even in this day and age. I couldn't get away from it. So it's nice to keep it disabled on the one video site I use the most.
Oh you! Tee hee!
Oops. Dumb ass mistake. I meant 2x height. 2x width. So yes, 4x. *facepalm*
They now calculate it based on retention. How long people watch the video for instead of clicks.
Hmm. Still doesn't tell me. Might just open up videos by people I want to support in a Forefox tab or something, seeing as I run a HTML5 extension plus ad-tracking extensions in Safari.
Fucking Safari is killing me.
It's mauling images left and right, leaving these monstrosities every two pages or so.
Other browsers have no issues and there's no graphical glitches anywhere. Just Safari.
Zooming the image in and out again usually fixes it, but it can just as likely flip back into fucked-up-mode again. It's making me want to switch to Chrome, which I don't want because Chrome is garbage.
Anyone else?
(examples I get when browsing imgur)
It's mauling images left and right, leaving these monstrosities every two pages or so.
Other browsers have no issues and there's no graphical glitches anywhere. Just Safari.
Zooming the image in and out again usually fixes it, but it can just as likely flip back into fucked-up-mode again. It's making me want to switch to Chrome, which I don't want because Chrome is garbage.
Anyone else?
(examples I get when browsing imgur)
The Real Abed
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I have absolutely no problems with Safari on Yosemite (Public Beta 1) aside from some occasional bugs. I haven't seen that image problem before. What kind of machine do you have? Are you on the PB or the DP?
Fucking Safari is killing me.
It's mauling images left and right, leaving these monstrosities every two pages or so.
Other browsers have no issues and there's no graphical glitches anywhere. Just Safari.
Zooming the image in and out again usually fixes it, but it can just as likely flip back into fucked-up-mode again. It's making me want to switch to Chrome, which I don't want because Chrome is garbage.
Anyone else?
(examples I get when browsing imgur)
That happened to me once. I reported it to Apple. Yosemite is a beta, they'll fix it.
The incompatibility with Lion's fullscreen is actually the reason I still prefer Flash.
They need to fix it sooner. It feels like i'm reading GAF in a Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff comic.
It keeps happening bro.
Jo Shishido's Cheeks
Member
Thanks a lot for this, I did as you said and right clicked a video and I did indeed get the "About the HTML 5 Player" dialogue but when selecting a range of front page videos, a video from a few months ago and even one from one year ago I'm able to select 1080p on all of them.
So some of what you've typed has made me curious...
I'm running the Yosemite Beta, and have no Extensions installed for Safari whatsoever.
It seems I opted into HTML directly through YouTube.
It doesn't seem to be an option now though (which is why I was asking if it's possible to switch between HTML and Flash or not). Was it ever an option that could be set through YouTube itself? I can't remember ever doing it but I guess I would've done...
Looking through the options on Youtube I get this btw:
So I'm seemingly unaffected by this 1080p thing (as far as I can tell, which was only using about 8 random videos) and again have no extensions installed whatsoever.
So I'm glad... but I'm just wondering why this isn't an option for everybody?
Haven't had a chance to post my impressions of the Yosemite beta, so here's a quick one.
I was previously talking about long boot times when using Mavericks, and I found it to be about the same on Yosemite, maybe a bit faster. It's not a big deal. I like the addition of the progress bar.
Login items (Dropbox, Alfred, BetterTouchTool, BetterSnaptool, PopClip, Battery Health) are taking a bit longer to set up at login than before with Mavericks.
On the plus side, Chrome launches immediately now, rather than having to force quit and relaunch because it liked to take its sweet time. Apps in general seem to launch a bit faster now than before.
The new look is great. I love the new icons. My installed apps icons are looking pretty outdated compared to the new stock icons. I'll switch over the dark mode probably when the apps on my menubar make a dark mode version available.
I don't hate the new iTunes design, but I'd rather have the sidebar. It's the same thing on Windows, too. I can't escape the lack of sidebar.
I was previously talking about long boot times when using Mavericks, and I found it to be about the same on Yosemite, maybe a bit faster. It's not a big deal. I like the addition of the progress bar.
Login items (Dropbox, Alfred, BetterTouchTool, BetterSnaptool, PopClip, Battery Health) are taking a bit longer to set up at login than before with Mavericks.
On the plus side, Chrome launches immediately now, rather than having to force quit and relaunch because it liked to take its sweet time. Apps in general seem to launch a bit faster now than before.
The new look is great. I love the new icons. My installed apps icons are looking pretty outdated compared to the new stock icons. I'll switch over the dark mode probably when the apps on my menubar make a dark mode version available.
I don't hate the new iTunes design, but I'd rather have the sidebar. It's the same thing on Windows, too. I can't escape the lack of sidebar.
PotatoeMasher
Member
I suspect it's an issue with driversframe buffer corruption is kind of a fact of life in OS X betas. That said, I haven't had much trouble with it in Yosemite. When I do it tends to be with the discrete card, but most of the day I'm on the integrated GPU (Intel HD 4000 on both of my MB Pros).
As much as I see these issues during beta periods (point releases as well as majors) it always seems to be fine one we hit GM.
Either it's a bug or Safari 8 forces the use of html5 because i can't change mine either but i can in firefox. I haven't installed any extensions either.
Ingueferroque
Banned
I have a Retina Macbook Pro from 2012, recently received a new SSD and Logic Board, and using a fresh install. So I know it isn't a hardware issue.
With 10.9.4, iTunes has become extremely unresponsive. As if it is constantly trying to make a connection and stalling out. It can take up to 3-6 seconds to go from the Podcasts page to my Library.
This freezes the App every time. When I jump from section to section, or when I click refresh in the podcasts area.
Does anyone know about this issue? I don't have any other problems similar to this, everything is super snappy and responsive.
With 10.9.4, iTunes has become extremely unresponsive. As if it is constantly trying to make a connection and stalling out. It can take up to 3-6 seconds to go from the Podcasts page to my Library.
This freezes the App every time. When I jump from section to section, or when I click refresh in the podcasts area.
Does anyone know about this issue? I don't have any other problems similar to this, everything is super snappy and responsive.
infiniteloop
Member
seems likely Yosemite will get a DP 6 today.
Some say iOS 8 beta 5 was the last beta before the GM, so we'll see if that drops also.
Some say iOS 8 beta 5 was the last beta before the GM, so we'll see if that drops also.
Wonder if they will drop DP 6 for developers and then wait until sometime like Thursday to drop DP 6 for open beta users (like they did with the first iteration of the open beta)?
SuperPac
Member
Beta 5 has been incredibly stable for me. Light years above 4. Wouldn't surprise me to see 5 be the last of the betas.
Can beta 5 be installed without a developer account?
infiniteloop
Member
Yosemite DP6 is out, 898MB for me.
Still nothing yet for us Beta Seed users...
The Real Abed
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Yeah. I want another Public Beta. Makes me wish I'd just stayed on the DP channel. The first PB was I think 1 incremental update over the DP4. Now they're on DP6. Maybe there'll be a new PB this week that will be just over DP6? We don't know what their schedule for the PB is going to be other than "less frequently than the DP".
infiniteloop
Member
Looks like a new Image Capture icon, maybe a tweaked Font Book icon
sys pref icons got redesigned. kinda uggo.
battery icon got shorten, i liked that long one....
volume/brightness got tweaked again, they look better.
New wallpapers.
sys pref icons got redesigned. kinda uggo.
battery icon got shorten, i liked that long one....
volume/brightness got tweaked again, they look better.
New wallpapers.
The Real Abed
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They shortened the battery back? It always felt so long. Though I was getting used to it.
Gee. I'd love to try it out. Come on, Public Beta 2!!!
Gee. I'd love to try it out. Come on, Public Beta 2!!!
Maybe Thursday?
infiniteloop
Member
I would think PB2 will be out later this, they'll make use there's no show stoppers with this build first.
Seems like a good bet.
new HDD icons too:
Seems like a good bet.
new HDD icons too:
Mr. Wonderful
Member
Looks like a new Image Capture icon, maybe a tweaked Font Book icon
sys pref icons got redesigned. kinda uggo.
battery icon got shorten, i liked that long one....
volume/brightness got tweaked again, they look better.
New wallpapers.
It honestly is kind of ugly.
I keep floating back and forth between my 10.10 and 10.9 partitions and I find it hard to go back to Mavericks. The little changes (non-UI) are awesome and the UI changes are refreshing.
I don't use Dark Mode on GAF but I'm using it on 10.10 and the new Yosemite 3 wallpaper, which is a little darker, fits perfect.
The final release can't come soon enough.
I don't use Dark Mode on GAF but I'm using it on 10.10 and the new Yosemite 3 wallpaper, which is a little darker, fits perfect.
The final release can't come soon enough.
That USB drive icon is sleek. I take it the Time Machine one is the same but blue?I would think PB2 will be out later this, they'll make use there's no show stoppers with this build first.
Seems like a good bet.
new HDD icons too:
infiniteloop
Member
iOS 8 beta 6 seeded to carriers, probably won't come to devs:
http://www.macrumors.com/2014/08/19/ios-8-beta-6/
http://www.macrumors.com/2014/08/19/ios-8-beta-6/
Weird... New feature that we still don't know about?
badcrumble
Member
I kinda doubt it, but if there *were* such a thing, a payments system is probably the most likely candidate, I think.
Yeah they've been rumoring NFC forever, but this time we actually saw part leak photo.
badcrumble
Member
I still don't think Apple's payment system will require NFC. It'll be BTLE based.
Meus Renaissance
Member
I no longer get a preview of the actual message with notifications (Messages app on Mac).
Fix?
Fix?
I have had an issue pop up on my MBPr today (new model) where the sound just completely cuts out randomly. Unplug headphones and nothing through the speaker, the volume 'blips' don't make any noise...nothing.
Anybody have any ideas what's going on here? On the most recent version of OSX that isn't Mavericks.
Anybody have any ideas what's going on here? On the most recent version of OSX that isn't Mavericks.
will the extensions in ios8 make it possible for an app like Lastpass to auto-fill passwords directly in safari? I don't like using lastpass's built in browser, so I'm copy/pasting which is a pain. Almost tempted to try an android tablet as that should be much more integrated.
infiniteloop
Member
Yes, 1password have already demoed that exact feature. Would be up to last pass to develop it and update their app.
demo of 1password extension feature:
http://blog.agilebits.com/2014/07/30/introducing-the-1password-app-extension-for-ios-8-apps/
The Real Abed
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The question I have is wouldn't it not work at all in browsers unless the browser maker adds support for it? Like Apple and Google would need to add support for extensions like this? Or will it "just work"? I can't see Apple adding in support for 1Password/LastPass when they have their own competing Keychain feature.
The newest models came with Mavericks installed, so if you downgraded manually it's likely your audio driver that's acting up because of an incompatibility between your model and the version of OS X you're using.
That is, unless you're talking about Yosemite but then it's abeta, so...
I doubt Apple is going to demo extensions and then not enable them for their applications. As for 1Password, I doubt they're concerned; after all iCloud Keychain isn't a moneymaker for them, and for a huge amount of people the built-in Apple tools are always going to be more convenient and thus more used (such as Apple's Podcast application on iOS.)
The Real Abed
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I'm skeptical because the 1Password guys only show it being demoed in fake apps they had to whip up in order to show it off. If Safari supported extensions in this way, then they'd have shown it working in Safari. The way he words it implies that the developer will need to explicitly support 1Password. Which means it's going to be a DropBox vs. Google Drive or Pocket vs. Reading List thing again where some apps support one competitor and others support the other and you never have a single standardized set of apps that all support the service you use yourself. (Fucking FaceBook doesn't support Safari's Reading List. Instead they implemented YET ANOTHER "read it later" service for themselves. Whereas Twitter supported Reading List as an option [Not to mention Pocket and Instapaper right off the bat] right out of the gate when it was released.)
I don't believe for a second that it's going to be as simple as Safari suddenly having 1Password support just because the 1Password app is installed. Nope. I'm pretty sure browser makers will still have to implement support for it manually. Same with LastPassword.
And I'm fine with it. As long as I can still exit out of Safari, open 1Password and reveal the password, then jump back into Safari again to type it in, it's okay. I rarely have to log into things anyway since they're usually stored in cookies.
I guess time will tell.
Edit: I stand maybe possibly corrected. According to this forum post on their forums, they say "1Password will be available for iOS Safari". I still remain slightly skeptical but would have liked to see it demonstrated in Safari instead of a fake "ACME Browser" app. Still, I doubt the FaceBook app will implement support for it. Twitter maybe but FaceBook is high and mighty enough to not support it out of spite I'd think. Either way, they're really pushing the fact that it will work in Safari so here's hoping! I do hope they put out a demo video of it soon though. I'd love to see it in action and not just ACME.
My rant above still stands though. Safari is one thing. But other app devs will need to get on board too. So crossing our fingers. I can't wait for iOS8.
Got the Shakes
Member
I believe that you are right. I can't see Apple letting any app that wants it access to Safari via Extensions. Doesn't mean that support for password managers won't be there, but I'd imagine that it's going to have to be enabled by Apple. I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't allow 3rd party password managers to have access to Safari. While Keychain isn't a money maker for Apple, it is another thing that will make it harder to leave the Apple ecosystem if people use it on a regular basis where as if you use LastPass or 1Password it's easier to go to Android or Windows Phone and take your passwords with you.
Edit: And I guess I stand sort of corrected
Some guy did a Vine demo video showing 1Password working in Safari on iOS8. https://vine.co/v/MFXHTa9I7Lq