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WWE Holding All-Day Creative Meetings Today & Friday
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JesseEwiak
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Guys, Cena is never turning heel. At least not anytime in the near future. He is this generations Hulk Hogan and in ten years, jaded 20 year olds will talk about how the current day WWE sucks and it was so much better in the days of John Cena, Randy Orton, and CM Punk!
Then you've got someone like me who thinks Goldberg and Dean Malenko were fucking boring, but I sure did love the Corporate Ministry.
Give me the characters of the 90s any day over the current stale crop of people. Fuck, I was disappointed when Kizarny got ran off after what... one match? Bring back Boogeyman; dude was entertaining as hell. Give me my all time favorite Gangrel, or at least someone interesting who's there to do a little more than just wrestle.
I'm sure most wrestling fans hate someone like me, but there it is. Oh and don't get me wrong, Cena is fucking awful - just want to be clear on that one!
To be fair, they have Heyman, Zeb and Dusty hired who have proven they can do this, but they're not in creative like the TV script writers they currently have.
Damn. I really hope WWE they can do something to get CM Punk back and come up with a really strong resolution from this crunch meeting of theirs. He got me enjoying wrestling again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCLIztOXf4Q - CM Punk vs WWE (Cena/Vince). The biggest promos ever devised based on facts.
I guess we'll find out what is what next week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCLIztOXf4Q - CM Punk vs WWE (Cena/Vince). The biggest promos ever devised based on facts.
I guess we'll find out what is what next week.
I have a better candidate fella
Carnby
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r-truth having a win over cena makes me happy.
And it's not like Hogan turned heel, freshening up his act and drawing lots of money or anything.
WCW was dead when they totally fucked up Starrcade '97, they just didn't realize it at the time.
As you well know, it wasn't just the main event ending that was botched, it was practically every match on the card. In what should have been the end of the nWo angle in which it was finally vanquished, the nWo came out looking stronger than it looked going in.
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I see you've already covered this.
crimsonheadGCN
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I am just wondering, is there any wrestling organization that actually has a chance at competing with WWE right now or in the near future? That's been the biggest problem with wrestling over the last decade.
Nope. Someone will come in here and start listing off Japan feds or something, but as far as domestic market, no way. Those days are long gone.
funkystudent
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The only way another fed has a chance is if they have the unwavering support of a billion dollar company behind it and that just isnt going to happen.
crimsonheadGCN
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That's awful.
So it would basically take another Ted Turner to give a fed a chance. It is too bad that Ted didn't buy out another fed after being disappointed at what happened with WCW.
There was nothing to buy, and WCW proved that money doesn't automatically make good TV wrassling.
Except Cena is already the biggest Heel in the world with the character he currently has to adults. If they actually turned him Heel, they would probably change his character, and it would result in adults still not caring, and kids hating him. Is that really worth destroying all the merchandise sales and good company PR he provides?
Joe Shlabotnik
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Hogan turned heel about 12 years after his WWF debut.
GreenTornadoX
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I like how he remembers to land like a wrestler after getting smacked by a chair! xD
Unless he's actually released, he's still under contract to the WWE until July even if he doesn't appear, so there's basically no chance of that happening. After July, who can say? But I can guess that Punk would rather move forward than revisit the past (but at least ROH has a chance of happening, unlike TNA).
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You guys are too hard on Vince. This job isn't easy.
I disagree. A heel Cena acting like a complete asshole, burying our favourite wrestlers as he dominates the title scene is how it should be. If he's gonna be an unstoppable superpower, he should be a heel. No-one couldn't respond favourably to that.
The man doesn't sleep god damn it
If Vince isn't able to work something out with Punk, which I think will actually happen and much sooner rather than later, my money is on Jarrett going after him STRONG to be their top star if he does in fact have plans to start up a new company later this year.
I wonder if WWE would reshoot any of the WWE Network stuff if he doesn't go back to them soon. I hear he was one of the most prominent speakers that they had talking about various things on their various new shows that they are going to air.
I wonder if WWE would reshoot any of the WWE Network stuff if he doesn't go back to them soon. I hear he was one of the most prominent speakers that they had talking about various things on their various new shows that they are going to air.
Doubt it. Jarret seems to have burnt him when he was in TNA.
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I'll watch Punk in WRESTLE-1.
I don't see Punk going to any other wrestling company. It would seem like a step backwards to a goal driven guy like him.
This isn't about money or anything, he has millions and he's not a spender.
He's just tired of the wrestling deal for now, and physically beat up, so expect him to go do something else for a while.
Honestly if Punk is gone for good, I don't want to see him wrestle for like a year. You can tell he simply does not care anymore. You can easily see the regression of his effort in one move: his running knee to the turnbuckle. He used to nearly jump over the damn thing when landing that to make it look brutal. For the past few months it looks like he softly rubs his leg against their ribs. Maybe he's just getting older, but everyone could see that he wasn't giving it his all.
If Punk goes somewhere else, I think NJPW would be awesome. ROH doesn't have the talent it used to and lol TNA.
If Punk goes somewhere else, I think NJPW would be awesome. ROH doesn't have the talent it used to and lol TNA.
Host Samurai
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All I have to say is that 1997 was the GOAT year for all 3. WWF/WCW/ECW.
Many people love 1998 with the rise of Austin and the NWO split, but that was all watered down from 97.
WWF in 97 felt very dark and gritty at the time.
-Vader in Kuwait
-Signing Shamrock
-Hart turning heel
-Austin being a complete bad ass mofo
-Pillman with the gun
-Nation vs Ahmed Johnson
-Goldust's "coming out"
-Mankind's entire angle
-Kanes build up and reveal
-Degeneration X (Not the watered down goofballs)
-Gang warfare with NoD, DoA & Bariquas
-ECW Invasion
-HBK obviously ducking Bret Hart with the knee injury
-Jim Ross bringing in Fake Diesel & Razor
-Jim Cornett shooting on WWF about how they were fucking up about Nash and Hall leaving.
Man I loved 1997 WWF
All this while the nWo angle was the hottest thing in WCW at the time.
Many people love 1998 with the rise of Austin and the NWO split, but that was all watered down from 97.
WWF in 97 felt very dark and gritty at the time.
-Vader in Kuwait
-Signing Shamrock
-Hart turning heel
-Austin being a complete bad ass mofo
-Pillman with the gun
-Nation vs Ahmed Johnson
-Goldust's "coming out"
-Mankind's entire angle
-Kanes build up and reveal
-Degeneration X (Not the watered down goofballs)
-Gang warfare with NoD, DoA & Bariquas
-ECW Invasion
-HBK obviously ducking Bret Hart with the knee injury
-Jim Ross bringing in Fake Diesel & Razor
-Jim Cornett shooting on WWF about how they were fucking up about Nash and Hall leaving.
Man I loved 1997 WWF
All this while the nWo angle was the hottest thing in WCW at the time.
Bolds happened in 1996.
I'll never understand why WWE doesn't capitalize and sometimes sabotages wrestlers who start to get hot with the fans. They're always looking for the next big thing, but when it happens they don't know what to do with it.
It's like Jericho in WCW, he was getting the biggest pop of the night while being a heel in a pointless middle-of-Nitro match with no bearing on the main storyline. Their response was to do nothing with him, and letting him out of his contract.
It's like Jericho in WCW, he was getting the biggest pop of the night while being a heel in a pointless middle-of-Nitro match with no bearing on the main storyline. Their response was to do nothing with him, and letting him out of his contract.
Vince has a very clear idea of what the ideal WWE star should look like in his mind. If a wrestler does not fit that mold, he has very little confidence that the person will be bankable over the long term and thus never pulls the trigger to put them in the main event scene until he has no choice but to do so. And Vince has final say over everything, so if he doesn't believe in you, you'll never get that shot.
Host Samurai
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Had no idea that the Pillman gun thing was 96. The end of 96 blended so well with 97 it seems. From what I remember WWF was in New Generation era at the start of 96. I really can't wait for a refresher when the network launches to get an exact pin point on when WWF started getting gritty. If I had to guess it would be about KotR 96 with Austin.
^ this, and the weird fascination with repackaging guys with a WWE moveset and a WWE persona. I know a lot of it is tied to merchandising and trademarks or whatever, but sometimes it doesn't make sense. Like if they hired Bish to be there, let him be Bish. Don't repackage him into a guy called Gulliver McJones and take away his banstick, that's just stupid.
I want to see El Generico. What is a Sami Zayn? Who even comes up with a name like that? Just so they can go "we got you over as Sami Zayn", when he could get over on his own? So weird.
A lot of people will say WM13, but I feel like KotR 96 was Austin's launching point. But for the company as a whole, I really feel like it was with the birth of Mr. McMahon and his promo basically saying they were going in a new direction. That was late 97 and they were already well on the way by then, but after this was Ho Trains and Mae Young shooting out hands and the subpar DX that everyone loves and all of that.
I really wish the earlier attempt at going dark would've stuck. Jake slapping Liz, teasing naked photos at Wrestlemania 8, Warrior being cursed, etc.
The repackaging is so they don't have to pay licensing rights, and possibly have to deal with a wrestler leaving and taking a gimmick that in the E's mind was established in the WWE to another federation.
Dont Forget the Rise of MAX MINI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_iO5nwTWuM
God how i loved masked midget matches right then.
I get that aspect of it, but I don't get doing it at the expense of something that's going to make them money with less legwork. It's never made sense to me.
Host Samurai
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And random Japanese cruiser weights and luchas just popping up randomly for what it seems like a 1 time deal.
Mini Vader was the GOAT
Bluekaveli
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Bluekaveli
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Sorry for my hand writing, I am a journalist so I write really fast basically to get main points down.
I got as far as Taker wrestling on a Raw before WM and stopped. Come on son.
Also, write slower. Are you trying to throw a handwriting analyst off your trail?
That's for work, this is for fun!
Also, write slower. Are you trying to throw a handwriting analyst off your trail?
That's for work, this is for fun!
It's funny because I can read it without any issues. I write the same way so I'm used to it.
Bluekaveli
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LOL! Noooooo, I have to write fast or else I will lose all thought and interest to be honest.
You remember the guy from "Heroes" who went into a blind rage when painting? Well that's pretty much how I am. You don't have to finish reading it
.Sho_Nuff82
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I think the takeaway from the nWo/Corporate Ministry eras is that you can tease your fans for months on end, but you eventually have to deal with the blue balls and put the good guys over and dissolve the mega-factions. The Rock turned face just in time before the corporation angle got soggy.
HHH and Steph screwing people over is nice for heat, but eventually, he's got to get that ass whupping he deserves. They blew a chance with Jericho at the peak of his popularity when he first joined the company, also going against HHH.
Ric Flair put Randy Savage over. Hogan put Goldberg over. Andre put Hogan over. Rock put Austin over. Hell, Rock put HOGAN over. If he's not going to take a clean L to Bryan or Punk at WM, what was the point of the past year?
LOL! Noooooo, I have to write fast or else I will lose all thought and interest to be honest.
You remember the guy from "Heroes" who went into a blind rage when painting? Well that's pretty much how I am. You don't have to finish reading it
I did finish, because I'm a nice guy. I never watched Heroes, though.
HHH is never gonna get over the WM12 squash.
Bluekaveli
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Right, Trips has never put anyone over.
I'm confused or I do not have the whole picture. Are these notes your thoughts on what you think the WWE storyline should be from now till SummerSlam, or these are your real notes from the WWE meeting? I have no idea, so I'd like to get more info before I provide you with my opinion.
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