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WWE Raw drops to lowest TV rating in 18 years

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It's fucking annoying how big moves have becomes just false finishes or transitions, like the DDT has been since the late 90s, while for some reason its a finish for others. IMO any move that impacts that head or neck shouldn't be treated as anything but a potential match stopper. The best thing they've done is limit pile driver usage, even if that was for legit concerns their doing that took a move that was kind of getting over exposed and pulled back on its usage to where now the only ones generally trusted to do it are Kane and the Undertaker on any sort of regular basis.

WWE has absolutely driven into the ground the idea of false finishes after big moves, the 50/50 booking prevents just about everyone from getting on any kind of roll and they even had one of their performers actually tell us that "wins and losses" don't matter, why should anyone care about a match if it doesn't matter who wins it? From a story telling aspect it's absolutely shit as well and it doesn't help when your heel champion, who is booked to look like a complete wimp, wrestles as a face or the face of your company is completely incapable or unwilling to sell anything other than merchandise to prepubescent children. There's no psychology, rhyme or reason in anything that's done in a WWE match and that's on top of the generic "WWE style". I've seen better psychology in a game of Rock'em Sock'em Robots than the average Raw.

The matches need to matter, 50/50 booking needs to stop because no one gets built up that way and if need be either relegate guys to be jobbers or hire local guys as enhancement talent again for those you want to push to beat the shit out of like they would back in the day. Push men/women who the crowd is actually responding to instead of pulling the rug out from under talent whenever they get any momentum leading to the apathetic audiences we see almost every week. Like what was already said, not even the guys who made it in the Attitude era could get over with today's booking, then again those guys wouldn't accept as much bullshit as it seems like many do today. Obviously doesn't help that your options as to where to potentially make big money are rather limited compared to back then.

That's not even getting to the outside the match shit they do... I'd probably just repeat more of what's been already said but it also drives me nuts on how WWE is up on this "reality" bullshit when really it's a selective reality like the awful "reality TV" crap while at the same time treated like some entity in its own "universe" (which is probably really code for the bubble Vince and his suck ups men live in) where the "Superstars and Divas" sometimes are able to go back too look back and reference something but other times are completely unaware there's a camera operator right there and pretend what's going on isn't being recorded. The inconsistency drives me up the fucking wall and aside from the old tension causing getting hit from behind spot (which WWE has also killed) leading to a misunderstanding another glaring example is the downright awful Rusev/Ziggles feud and the stupid shit with Summer Rae and Lana who has been made to look like a total moron while they completely ruined her character.

Speaking of inconsistency, there's rules and their enforcement, an area WWE and wrestling in general has usually sucked but today it doesn't feel like there's a clear understanding of really any rules as they get made up for whatever suits them at the time. It goes to how neutered heels have become, how can a heel break rules that the audience doesn't know exist? The worthless commentary that couldn't sell water to a man dying of thirst doesn't help either. Referees are just bodies no, they need power, get rid of the authority figures and let the refs do what they're supposed to be doing when it comes to matches, get them some respect so when heels do shit behind their backs some heat can be had. I think people just view refs now as the guy who counts or asks someone if they want to submit and calls for the bell.

The act of working like a heel be it singles or in a tag team is basically dead in this company. Hell, the most heelish thing I've seen in a match under the WWE umbrella recently was the Sasha/Bayley match from last week. I was kind of disappointed when Sasha and the Bayley fangirl made up afterwards, wish at the very least that could've been kept quiet and backstage even though who knows what the fuck any woman on the main roster's alignment is because I'm not sure any of them are actually heels aside from I guess, Paige... Maybe? I don't know WTF "Team Bella" is supposed to be they don't come off as faces when they talk but in the ring they're completely inconsistent as heels. Example in that tag match where the ref's back was turned but Brie or maybe it was Alicia didn't do a damn thing with the opening to cheat. Today's "heel" is just a generic coward who backs down when confronted and might insult the local sports team and maybe will attempt a cheap shot when the face's back is turned. There was a day when everyone wasn't a chickenshit heel, where the bad guy actually did bad things and didn't just run away. I mean, yeah you had the New Day "wreck" Cena and the Dudley's shit last week (after Big E was made to look like wimp) but so what? What came of that? Are they even heels anymore? Due to that segment with Stephanie, who cares?

Inconsistency goes with a near complete lack of continuity which is inexcusable in 2015 but again it's certainly a Vince thing with the idea of the audience being too stupid to remember things, that's bugged me since I was a kid. Understandably after so many hours and so many years shit is bound to get clustered up but I think it would go a long way if they just attempted some long term continuity. Just start with character histories, hire some people to keep track of that shit just like they do on shows and movies (well, sometimes I guess), even if in those cases their role might just be something as basic as keeping certain things consistent from scene to scene or shot from shot. Vince likes to pretend their making movies, so much so now they pretend with their own studio, then maybe he and Dunn should actually take some notes from real writers and directors.

Well this went a lot longer than I wanted and I know I'm rambling, it's almost 8am and I've been writing this for over an hour in between my nodding off... Fuck I need sleep.

What does a 4.81 translate to though?

If I remember correctly one rating point equaled 1.25 million back then, not sure if the scale is the same now or not so that would be just over six million viewers.


They pushed reigns way too hard and way too fast and the audience was completely turned against him. Probably legit shook Vince since MacDaddy is the star maker and had his star denied.

Vince's ability of making someone a star has always been over rated and today his hard selling of someone he wants just doesn't work at all anymore.
 
Ok this really bothers me....

So nearly every time I put WWE TV on the WWE Champion, Seth Rollins, is getting pinned, tapping out or running away from someone.

For me, that's the kind of booking I dislike the most. The point of long title reigns should be because youre adding prestige to the championship. If Rollins is losing every other week then there's absolutely no prestige being added to that title reign. All him losing does is tell me that the performer holding the gold is weak and therefore that the title is weak as well.

If the champion is losing so often you might as well have the title change hands more often like they did in the Attitude Era. It never did any of those wrestlers any harm.

Bray Wyatt seems to lose all the time in the big matches as well. WWE seems to think that W/L records don't matter when they clearly do. They build and destroy credibility. The only wrestlers that seems to get protected in this regards are Cena, Lesnar and Taker.
 

zelas

Member
The audience for that is probably limited. I don't think putting Lucha Underground or NXT or ROH style shows in RAW's spot will do anything to increase ratings. If anything it will probably decrease them. WWE isn't looking to (and can't afford to) go after a cult following type of audience. They need kids and casuals. Kids and casuals put promos and skits ahead of wrestling.
As a somewhat more than casual wrestling fan I can tell you this is how I feel. Wrestling alone will never be interesting enough. I've watched some of the best stuff from japan and Lucha and it was just ok. I couldn't imagine watching those same spots week after week without any compelling narrative material to break up the monotony. I only gave Lucha a chance because of the ridiculous storylines and because wwe has been sucking both in and out of the ring for a long time.
 
Ok this really bothers me....

So nearly every time I put WWE TV on the WWE Champion, Seth Rollins, is getting pinned, tapping out or running away from someone.

For me, that's the kind of booking I dislike the most. The point of long title reigns should be because youre adding prestige to the championship. If Rollins is losing every other week then there's absolutely no prestige being added to that title reign. All him losing does is tell me that the performer holding the gold is weak and therefore that the title is weak as well.

If the champion is losing so often you might as well have the title change hands more often like they did in the Attitude Era. It never did any of those wrestlers any harm.

Bray Wyatt seems to lose all the time in the big matches as well. WWE seems to think that W/L records don't matter when they clearly do. They build and destroy credibility. The only wrestlers that seems to get protected in this regards are Cena, Lesnar and Taker.

The fact that they protect those 3 wrestler's win/loss records (If you beat Cena, prepare to have to keep wrestling him until he beats you once or twice, unless you are CM Punk...) shows that they seem to understand the concept. For whatever reason, they only want to protect the W/L of 2 part timers and a third guy who seems to be winding down his career.
 

hamchan

Member
The fact that they protect those 3 wrestler's win/loss records (If you beat Cena, prepare to have to keep wrestling him until he beats you once or twice, unless you are CM Punk...) shows that they seem to understand the concept. For whatever reason, they only want to protect the W/L of 2 part timers and a third guy who seems to be winding down his career.

It's crazy. They aren't trying to build anymore stars except for Roman Reigns, who they are trying to make into a Cena 2.0 but who will never be another Cena. They are so screwed once Cena retires because it looks like they don't have a backup plan at all. Everyone else on the roster look like huge losers compared to superman Cena.
 
I know you're joking, but I honestly wonder if a return to more 80s/90s gimmicks might be a boon for the industry. Right now, one thing that bothers me is that 95% of the guys are "First name Last name" and have similar music.

With the smash hit success of superhero movies, are people wanting more of that fantasy-style wrestler again?

Take a glance at the target group and the obvious answer is yes.
 

sora87

Member
Rollins is awful in and out of the ring, as Bionic detailed with pure facts. At the end of the day he is WWE champ and fair or not, he's the first to take the blame on the roster.

He's like, one of the best in the ring right now, at least when he gets the chance
 
At the risk of sounding like one James E. Cornette, maybe the reason why ratings are so low is because wrestlers are not competing on a wrestling program.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Take a glance at the target group and the obvious answer is yes.

I'm all in if they head that direction. I'm having way more fun watching 80s/90s WWF on the network instead of the current stuff.
 
So let me get this straight. Rollins:

- Was caught cheating on his fiance, and his dick pix were leaked on the web during an airing of RAW.

- The chick he was cheating with turns out to be a women hating neo-nazi, and he never condemned her behavior.

- He broke Lord Sina's nose.

- Nearly killed Stang in the ring.

- Has the worst ratings of all time as a champion.

How is this man not jobbing to Hornswoggle yet? Let alone still the champion?

He must have pics of Vince fucking a goat or something, there's no other explanation, friends.

He's jobbing to Kane. Close enough.
 

j-wood

Member
Needs the attitude era again. Needs a stone cold figure throwing beer in someones face while the other hand gives them the middle fingers before he kicks them in the nuts and drops STONE COLD STUNNER.
 
From 1998 to 2001 WWF title changed hands on Raw 9 times, last changed on Raw was 2013, they are saving title changes for PPV events and selling a bland Raw program, that philosophy should changed during the NFL season, need to have more titles matches on Raw and at least 1 title shift on Raw during the NFL season...
 

Ronin Ray

Member
The problem is they don't have any young guys that scream super star and the guys they do have that could potently become big stars aren't given a chance or there to scared to piss Vince off. I haven't watched wrestling seriously for nine years but the guys that seemed to break through despite what they were given were CM Punk and Daniel Bryan. I have gone out of my way to see New Day and there doing the same thing turning shit into something enjoyable. WWE need more guys that rise above the bad writing and booking but how many guys do they have that can do that? Is the writing and booking so bad guys can't break through or is there just a lack of talent?
 

thefro

Member
It's crazy. They aren't trying to build anymore stars except for Roman Reigns, who they are trying to make into a Cena 2.0 but who will never be another Cena. They are so screwed once Cena retires because it looks like they don't have a backup plan at all. Everyone else on the roster look like huge losers compared to superman Cena.

That just means they'll have to rebuild the right way once Cena retires.

NXT is really well-ran so I'm pretty confident in the long-term future once Vince steps back/Kevin Dunn gets fired.
 

params7

Banned
The problem is they don't have any young guys that scream super star and the guys they do have that could potently become big stars aren't given a chance or there to scared to piss Vince off. I haven't watched wrestling seriously for nine years but the guys that seemed to break through despite what they were given were CM Punk and Daniel Bryan. I have gone out of my way to see New Day and there doing the same thing turning shit into something enjoyable. WWE need more guys that rise above the bad writing and booking but how many guys do they have that can do that? Is the writing and booking so bad guys can't break through or is there just a lack of talent?

I don't think its any one factor. Attitude Era had Austin, The Rock, HHH, Taker in their their primes. So its talent, storylines, the lack of entertaining factor the product packed in those times when kids would run home from school to catch Smackdown. Lack of competition (Monday Night Wars) is also big imo. WWE seems to be cannibalizing the industry now.
 
It's an awful product lately being run by men who are clueless about what the fans want and by men who are stuck in the past , If they had balls they should go through a massive reboot and throw money at paul heyman to be head booker with HHH by his side. New Raw and Smackdown sets , Individual ppv sets like years ago not the same old Raw set up with a different colour , Build up a credible intercontinental and Tag title undercard , No ridiculous gimmicks like masked matadors or fucking hornswaggle. Reintroduce blood and a shock factor again to keep us hooked each week. Break the bank to sign indy or TNA stars and have legit suprise debuts. Just don't be boring and predictable each week like it is now.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
It's an awful product lately being run by men who are clueless about what the fans want and by men who are stuck in the past , If they had balls they should go through a massive reboot and throw money at paul heyman to be head booker with HHH by his side. New Raw and Smackdown sets , Individual ppv sets like years ago not the same old Raw set up with a different colour , Build up a credible intercontinental and Tag title undercard , No ridiculous gimmicks like masked matadors or fucking hornswaggle. Reintroduce blood and a shock factor again to keep us hooked each week. Break the bank to sign indy or TNA stars and have legit suprise debuts. Just don't be boring and predictable each week like it is now.

Except Balor is over huge.
 

Ithil

Member
Wrestling is the MOST important thing in wrestling. WWE's problem is they are running low on quality workers and have a lot of toolboxes that are half empty out there trying to act like they have a complete toolset of spots and sequences in their arsenal. 15 minutes "samey" matches with little to no real variance between performers is laughable to call wrestling.
WWE has backed the wrong performers and has a roster thats not talented enough to work the few they got. It throttled down their high octane wrestlers and now they're roster is running on fumes.

Between RAW and NXT, WWE has most likely never had a more talented roster. You could not be more off base.
It's bizarre and hilarious that you think its the wrestlers' fault that matches are samey. That is what the WWE wants from them, and they don't get to set up their own matches, road agents do that for them. It has nothing to do with what they are capable of, and everything to do with what is demanded of them.

Hell several of those people in LU you're praising are former WWE guys.
 

Anth0ny

Member
Rollins is great in ring (look at the Royal Rumble 3-way from this year)... the problem is, again, no one cares about the matches. The build is boring and terrible. The match happens, okay it's a great wrestling match... but no story is told. The match ends, means nothing the next night on Raw, and is forgotten about.

I feel like there have been few exceptions to this rule in WWE over the last few years. Punk vs. Cena at MITB 2011. Bryan's two matches at WM30... uhh... um... yeah.

The so called "terrible" wrestling of the WWF in 1998 didn't really fucking matter because everyone was invested in the characters, everyone was invested in the stories being told, we knew the story being told was coherent and would pay off at some point. Maybe the pay off was a 2 star wrestling match between Stone Cold and the Undertaker at Summer Slam. But who cares? We wanted to hear the glass shatter, Austin to look into those beady little eyes, throw up the finger, and stunner someone. They gave us what we wanted.
 

Burai

shitonmychest57
My biggest beef with WWE is that they seem to cling to the worst bits of wrestling tradition but discard all the things that make wrestling good.

So, for example, they'll script promos which completely flies in the face of the old "put a guy out there with a mic and let him build his own identity", yet they'll still expect people to pay their dues and bow down to some fucking carny code even though they can never build themselves up through someone else's script like someone coming up through the territories in the old days could cutting their own promos and calling their own matches.

They try to force the "correct" shit down people's throats, panic like fuck when some midcarder gets traction and try to bury them.

I mean, can anyone honestly look at some of the biggest stars of the 80s and 90s and think they could make it in this shithole? You'd have Randy Savage stuck in the midcard in black trunks and a crewcut with Paul Heyman to do his promos.
 

Ithil

Member
My biggest beef with WWE is that they seem to cling to the worst bits of wrestling tradition but discard all the things that make wrestling good.

So, for example, they'll script promos which completely flies in the face of the old "put a guy out there with a mic and let him build his own identity", yet they'll still expect people to pay their dues and bow down to some fucking carny code even though they can never build themselves up through someone else's script like someone coming up through the territories in the old days could cutting their own promos and calling their own matches.

They try to force the "correct" shit down people's throats, panic like fuck when some midcarder gets traction and try to bury them.

I mean, can anyone honestly look at some of the biggest stars of the 80s and 90s and think they could make it in this shithole? You'd have Randy Savage stuck in the midcard in black trunks and a crewcut with Paul Heyman to do his promos.

Yes, it's all ass backwards. They make guys look worse, ensure no one looks like a star (except their chosen 2 or 3), promote the brand as mattering more than the wrestlers, having the authority figures bully around faces and heels alike with no retorts, etc.
 

Ray Wonder

Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
It's fucking annoying how big moves have becomes just false finishes or transitions, like the DDT has been since the late 90s, while for some reason its a finish for others. IMO any move that impacts that head or neck shouldn't be treated as anything but a potential match stopper. The best thing they've done is limit pile driver usage, even if that was for legit concerns their doing that took a move that was kind of getting over exposed and pulled back on its usage to where now the only ones generally trusted to do it are Kane and the Undertaker on any sort of regular basis.

WWE has absolutely driven into the ground the idea of false finishes after big moves, the 50/50 booking prevents just about everyone from getting on any kind of roll and they even had one of their performers actually tell us that "wins and losses" don't matter, why should anyone care about a match if it doesn't matter who wins it? From a story telling aspect it's absolutely shit as well and it doesn't help when your heel champion, who is booked to look like a complete wimp, wrestles as a face or the face of your company is completely incapable or unwilling to sell anything other than merchandise to prepubescent children. There's no psychology, rhyme or reason in anything that's done in a WWE match and that's on top of the generic "WWE style". I've seen better psychology in a game of Rock'em Sock'em Robots than the average Raw.

The matches need to matter, 50/50 booking needs to stop because no one gets built up that way and if need be either relegate guys to be jobbers or hire local guys as enhancement talent again for those you want to push to beat the shit out of like they would back in the day. Push men/women who the crowd is actually responding to instead of pulling the rug out from under talent whenever they get any momentum leading to the apathetic audiences we see almost every week. Like what was already said, not even the guys who made it in the Attitude era could get over with today's booking, then again those guys wouldn't accept as much bullshit as it seems like many do today. Obviously doesn't help that your options as to where to potentially make big money are rather limited compared to back then.

That's not even getting to the outside the match shit they do... I'd probably just repeat more of what's been already said but it also drives me nuts on how WWE is up on this "reality" bullshit when really it's a selective reality like the awful "reality TV" crap while at the same time treated like some entity in its own "universe" (which is probably really code for the bubble Vince and his suck ups men live in) where the "Superstars and Divas" sometimes are able to go back too look back and reference something but other times are completely unaware there's a camera operator right there and pretend what's going on isn't being recorded. The inconsistency drives me up the fucking wall and aside from the old tension causing getting hit from behind spot (which WWE has also killed) leading to a misunderstanding another glaring example is the downright awful Rusev/Ziggles feud and the stupid shit with Summer Rae and Lana who has been made to look like a total moron while they completely ruined her character.

Speaking of inconsistency, there's rules and their enforcement, an area WWE and wrestling in general has usually sucked but today it doesn't feel like there's a clear understanding of really any rules as they get made up for whatever suits them at the time. It goes to how neutered heels have become, how can a heel break rules that the audience doesn't know exist? The worthless commentary that couldn't sell water to a man dying of thirst doesn't help either. Referees are just bodies no, they need power, get rid of the authority figures and let the refs do what they're supposed to be doing when it comes to matches, get them some respect so when heels do shit behind their backs some heat can be had. I think people just view refs now as the guy who counts or asks someone if they want to submit and calls for the bell.

The act of working like a heel be it singles or in a tag team is basically dead in this company. Hell, the most heelish thing I've seen in a match under the WWE umbrella recently was the Sasha/Bayley match from last week. I was kind of disappointed when Sasha and the Bayley fangirl made up afterwards, wish at the very least that could've been kept quiet and backstage even though who knows what the fuck any woman on the main roster's alignment is because I'm not sure any of them are actually heels aside from I guess, Paige... Maybe? I don't know WTF "Team Bella" is supposed to be they don't come off as faces when they talk but in the ring they're completely inconsistent as heels. Example in that tag match where the ref's back was turned but Brie or maybe it was Alicia didn't do a damn thing with the opening to cheat. Today's "heel" is just a generic coward who backs down when confronted and might insult the local sports team and maybe will attempt a cheap shot when the face's back is turned. There was a day when everyone wasn't a chickenshit heel, where the bad guy actually did bad things and didn't just run away. I mean, yeah you had the New Day "wreck" Cena and the Dudley's shit last week (after Big E was made to look like wimp) but so what? What came of that? Are they even heels anymore? Due to that segment with Stephanie, who cares?

Inconsistency goes with a near complete lack of continuity which is inexcusable in 2015 but again it's certainly a Vince thing with the idea of the audience being too stupid to remember things, that's bugged me since I was a kid. Understandably after so many hours and so many years shit is bound to get clustered up but I think it would go a long way if they just attempted some long term continuity. Just start with character histories, hire some people to keep track of that shit just like they do on shows and movies (well, sometimes I guess), even if in those cases their role might just be something as basic as keeping certain things consistent from scene to scene or shot from shot. Vince likes to pretend their making movies, so much so now they pretend with their own studio, then maybe he and Dunn should actually take some notes from real writers and directors.

Well this went a lot longer than I wanted and I know I'm rambling, it's almost 8am and I've been writing this for over an hour in between my nodding off... Fuck I need sleep.



If I remember correctly one rating point equaled 1.25 million back then, not sure if the scale is the same now or not so that would be just over six million viewers.




Vince's ability of making someone a star has always been over rated and today his hard selling of someone he wants just doesn't work at all anymore.

I don't think I care about anything in the world enough to write this much about it, let alone wrestling. I admire you.
 
Anyone notice how wrestlers don't have many, if any, catchphrases anymore?

They help create personality, memorable characters and promos.

How many promos from the last few years will you watch back on YouTube in years to come and think 'what a great moment that was!'? Practically none!
 
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Deleted member 47027

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Anyone notice how wrestlers don't have many, if any, catchphrases anymore?

They help create personality, memorable characters and promos.

How many promos from the last few years will you watch back on YouTube in years to come and think 'what a great moment that was!'? Practically none!

Oh come on.

"BALEEEEE DAT"
"YAH YAH YAH"
 

TheStruggler

Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
I don't think its any one factor. Attitude Era had Austin, The Rock, HHH, Taker in their their primes. So its talent, storylines, the lack of entertaining factor the product packed in those times when kids would run home from school to catch Smackdown. Lack of competition (Monday Night Wars) is also big imo. WWE seems to be cannibalizing the industry now.

I think the dont know how to push young talent, look at Cesaro for example he was getting hot, he had cena and orton push him because they were tag teaming together and then they had the big show bury him. They have no idea wtf they are doing anymore, to them entertaining is having big show one match before the main event in some irrelevant story
 
Anyone notice how wrestlers don't have many, if any, catchphrases anymore?

They help create personality, memorable characters and promos.

How many promos from the last few years will you watch back on YouTube in years to come and think 'what a great moment that was!'? Practically none!

If anything they have too many catchphrases now. Everything about them, from their entrances to their promos to their moves and finishers are way too choreographed and rehearsed. Roman's little set up before the superman punch he does on the exact same way in the exact same spot in the ring every damn time is never not lame. Let these guys breathe.
 

enewtabie

Member
He put Sting out...for good

There's no beef with Seth and Sting. Hell, Sting is a 56 year old guy taking bumps. Nobody is holding back Joe after hurting Kidd as it's the same situation. It wasn't done on purpose. He's still going to be NXT champ next. They need to book Seth as himself dialed up with a group behind him. Turn Reigns and Ambrose heel and put them back with him.
 

Misterhbk

Member
When I stopped watching wrestling some 5-7ish years ago, I was big on Dolph Ziggler. He was really good in the ring, and seemed to be getting a little push. He made other guys look really good (the way he sold damage and hits). Sad to see he hasn't gone much further from the sound of things.
 
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When I stopped watching wrestling some 5-7ish years ago, I was big on Dolph Ziggler. He was really good in the ring, and seemed to be getting a little push. He made other guys look really good (the way he sold damage and hits). Sad to see he hasn't gone much further from the sound of things.

He's trash. He's poison to any storyline he touches, and is incapable of being someone. There's simply nothing there. What is he? What are his motivations? If you have no answer, welcome to the club - we're called Everyone and none of us can figure out if he has a personality in there.

I guess it's because he doesn't. Fuck Dolph Ziggler and his nothing ass.
 

Sephzilla

Member
When I stopped watching wrestling some 5-7ish years ago, I was big on Dolph Ziggler. He was really good in the ring, and seemed to be getting a little push. He made other guys look really good (the way he sold damage and hits). Sad to see he hasn't gone much further from the sound of things.

Ziggler's problem is that he kind of lacks a sense of good in ring story telling. He sells moves like crazy (and well, imo) and he can do some good spots but i never get the sense of any in-ring story as a result of his matches.
 

Misterhbk

Member
He's trash. He's poison to any storyline he touches, and is incapable of being someone. There's simply nothing there. What is he? What are his motivations? If you have no answer, welcome to the club - we're called Everyone and none of us can figure out if he has a personality in there.

I guess it's because he doesn't. Fuck Dolph Ziggler and his nothing ass.

Well from the sound of things the narrative in WWE right now is poison in itself (which is why I stopped watching). I stopped watching around the time he dumped Vicky. All I know is he could wrestle his ass off. He was never much on the mic though.
 
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Well from the sound of things the narrative in WWE right now is poison in itself (which is why I stopped watching). I stopped watching around the time he dumped Vicky. All I know is he could wrestle his ass off. He was never much on the mic though.

He still ain't shit. There's plenty of worthwhile storylines going on.

- Seth Rollins is a chickenshit champion who manages to keep his belt
- Rusev is still gold no matter how much fuckery goes on. He even dealt with Dog Ziggler and came out safe
- The Bellas as actual Divas and standing up for what they believe is a valid female representation. While tired, there is merit in this idea.
 
Anyone notice how wrestlers don't have many, if any, catchphrases anymore?

I'm going to think of as many as I can off the top of my head:

Feed. Me. More.
Believe that.
Ladies and gentlemen my name is Paul Heyman!/My client/BRRRRRRRRRROCK LESSSSSNAR
Bo-lieve!
BRIE MODE!
THIS IS MY HOUSE!
Follow the buzzards.
Are you not entertained?!
 
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Deleted member 47027

Unconfirmed Member
I'm going to think of as many as I can off the top of my head:

Feed. Me. More.
Believe that.
Ladies and gentlemen my name is Paul Heyman!/My client/BRRRRRRRRRROCK LESSSSSNAR
Bo-lieve!
BRIE MODE!
THIS IS MY HOUSE!
Follow the buzzards.
Are you not entertained?!

COME ON NIKKI!
 

Tagyhag

Member
I'm going to think of as many as I can off the top of my head:

Feed. Me. More.
Believe that.
Ladies and gentlemen my name is Paul Heyman!/My client/BRRRRRRRRRROCK LESSSSSNAR
Bo-lieve!
BRIE MODE!
THIS IS MY HOUSE!
Follow the buzzards.
Are you not entertained?!

FELLLAAAAA

Anyways, it's so sad that freaking Paul Heyman is the only one with a good catchphrase.

New Day are pretty much the only young talent that play off to the crowd.
 

jstripes

Banned
Ok, I haven't really watched WWE in years, I've just kept up with it from the sidelines... but I wasn't there aren't jobbers anymore.

Seriously?

"Everyone is a superstar" is a serious problem.
 
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Deleted member 47027

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Ok, I haven't really watched WWE in years, I've just kept up with it from the sidelines... but I wasn't there aren't jobbers anymore.

Seriously?

"Everyone is a superstar" is a serious problem.

It is, it forces people to eat losses that can derail the story they're telling - especially when they have eight hours of TV to show each week.

If you return with jobbers, it helps a little.
 

hamchan

Member
Ok, I haven't really watched WWE in years, I've just kept up with it from the sidelines... but I wasn't there aren't jobbers anymore.

Seriously?

"Everyone is a superstar" is a serious problem.

There are jobbers, they just mostly appear on a lesser show called Superstars.

Also you can argue that the current champion is now a jobber.
 

Anth0ny

Member
He still ain't shit. There's plenty of worthwhile storylines going on.

- Seth Rollins is a chickenshit champion who manages to keep his belt
- Rusev is still gold no matter how much fuckery goes on. He even dealt with Dog Ziggler and came out safe
- The Bellas as actual Divas and standing up for what they believe is a valid female representation. While tired, there is merit in this idea.

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