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WWE Raw drops to lowest TV rating in 18 years
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By Gawd, that's Hacksaw's music.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Trifilin' ass, cheating-ass, athletic tape in ass Jim Duggan.
Yes, I read the Nitro recaps on Uproxx.
Marvel
could never
Glorified G
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Wait, so you're saying that fans are emotionally attached the actual characters and performers themselves? Like, if Koko B. Ware slammed Andre the Giant at Wrestlemania III instead of Hulk Hogan, it wouldn't have the same affect?
Did you just stumble on a Wrestling 101 psychology book?
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
This only impacts me atm, but the two episodes of WCW Monday Nitro I wanted to see are finally on the Network. The one where Jericho cuts the Man of 1,004 Holds promo and the one with the Fingerpoke of Doom.
God, the stunned crowd when Nash lays down is great. And at the start, when Flair brings in his family to the ring with the Horsemen, I think I saw a young Charlotte in the same ring with Benoit. Awkwarrrd!
God, the stunned crowd when Nash lays down is great. And at the start, when Flair brings in his family to the ring with the Horsemen, I think I saw a young Charlotte in the same ring with Benoit. Awkwarrrd!
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
After this post a while back, this is encouraging.
Good to see the WWE is coming around.
Not sure it means anything but fingers crossed.
UberTag
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Goldberg vs. Ryback for Mania Star... Ryback goes over.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Ryback was always shit though. Goldberg is the original. Can't be replicated. Only Goldberg stands a chance of saving WWE now.
Goldberg looks jacked!
billy beane
Banned
Goldberg vs Lesnar II let's do it.
Unfortunately, if Goldberg fights against Ryback then the WWE will definitely put Ryback over Goldberg thus tarnishing Goldberg to the unknown out there. Blame Vince if that happens.
Host Samurai
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I could never see Goldberg jobbing to Wyatt. I see a quick spear than Jackhammer. Than Goldberg continues to squash the stable solo like he did The Flock
bean breath
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Well, it looks like we were wrong:
The third hour, including Daniel Bryan's retirement speech, was the lowest rated hour of the night.
I don't know how to explain this, I always believed that Daniel Bryan = ratings.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Daniel Bryan bringing in that B+ GPA rating.
half a moon
Banned
Lord Goldberg please come back
Could those two actually pull off a good match? I don't think they work very well together.
UberTag
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Thing is, Daniel Bryan's retirement speech wasn't featured in Hour 3 at all. I remember Ambrose getting pummeled on by Brock, a Dudleys turn and Tamina Snuka winning a match.
What was the rating for the post-11pm overrun?
Talonz
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There aren't really any great Goldberg matches really. Maybe I'm going senile but I think Goldberg vs Hogan on Nitro was his best match.
Hrmmm... not too bad a video comp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXEjhAAsyoM
Edit: Damn, Goldberg beating Hogan still gives me goosebumps.
ratcliffja
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Monster vs monster almost never works. The point of a monster is to no-sell everything except for some relentless underdog offense. When there's no underdog to root for, you just have two guys no-selling moves until somebody starts working stiff. As much as I loved Goldberg in WCW, I really don't think he has a role today. He had limited wrestling ability to begin with, so a break of over a decade isn't going to do him any favors. He doesn't have the same appeal as Sting who had a much longer career and had never been in WWE before. The only reason to bring back any vets would be to put the newer guys over, and having Goldberg come back briefly just to job again basically defeats the purpose of Goldberg's character. If you want to put him in the HoF, that's one thing, but coming back as a wrestler makes no sense.
Edit: Goldberg vs. DDP at Halloween Havoc 98 was easily his best match.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xf77t8_ddp-vs-goldberg-halloween-havoc-199_sport
Arrowgigantic
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D. Brine's speech started after the third hour ended, didn't it?
If I remember correctly it started about 7:50 or so.
Based on the way ratings are done; not sure if they'll ever be able to fully pull out Bryan's numbers based on public data. It might have helped some; but it looks like the pull was just the consistent 400k more viewers the entire show had. Most of the ratings drop is probably commensurate with the overall ratings drop individual shows have had for some time though. (even stuff like Big Bang Theory, etc)
Based on the way ratings are done; not sure if they'll ever be able to fully pull out Bryan's numbers based on public data. It might have helped some; but it looks like the pull was just the consistent 400k more viewers the entire show had. Most of the ratings drop is probably commensurate with the overall ratings drop individual shows have had for some time though. (even stuff like Big Bang Theory, etc)
They played the video for Bryan at like 57 minutes into hour 3. Bryan himself didn't come out until the 4th hour. Maybe at 59 minutes into hour 3.
Hrm. I remember looking down at my phone at the arena and seeing 7:50 when they ended the segment before Bryan's. Still - someone will have the get the quarter by quarter ratings to figure out what it is at - but I doubt it's going to be substantially different. If you were waiting for Bryan's segment to start, you didn't tune it exactly at 8 PM, especially considering you probably expected it to start around 750 (like a typical ending segment). Most of the people watching Bryan's segment were probably tuned in prior to 8 PM.
Little more detailed analysis - the show overall rating should include the overrun.
http://www.pwtorch.com/site/2016/02/09/10394/
bean breath
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While the thought that the overrun is not included in the third hour's rating, in this case, fills me with optimism that Daniel Bryan indeed drew massive ratings; I don't want to bring that argument to the table because then it throws every low rated Roman Reigns ending segment, that us Daniel Bryan fans used here to fight hard to prove that he is ratings poison, into question.
The last thing I want is for fans of that nepotistic, failed footballing f*cktard to come in here and try to say otherwise.
But I also don't want to believe that Daniel Bryan can't draw ratings.
Talk about Catch 22. Do I love Daniel Bryan more than I hate Roman Reigns?
Goldberg Vs. DDP was his best match I believe and I think it was all DDP
Dark Ninja
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Bryan losing ratings again. Push Roman more
Ninja Scooter
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A Roman retirement angle would draw
UberTag
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And what would his legacy be exactly?
"Here's that one great match you had with Daniel Bryan.
And here you are eliminating all of those jobbers in those Rumble matches you slept through.
And here's a superman punch montage.
Man, is that it?
Okay, let's revisit all of the Shield matches where you were carried by Rollins and Ambrose."
Dark Ninja
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They need to do an angle where he gets fired but shows up next week because he bought front row hard camera tickets.
ratcliffja
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I just watched it again and Goldberg actually did a great job of selling the shoulder and the overall ring story of Goldberg's injured shoulder versus DDP's weakened arm weakening their respective finishers was actually really, really good. DDP really should have won that, though, as he was really starting to come into his own in terms of popularity and would have been great as the underdog going against the nWo. Instead, we got a screwjob finish at Starrcade that helped nobody and just pissed off fans instead because it was a meaningless way to end the streak. Heck, even if they kept that finish but replaced Goldberg with DDP, it would have meant more because he was the underdog getting screwed over instead of tarnishing the streak with a stupid finish.
Yeah.
I imagine that Vince is frustrated with various injuries, and that Network sub number might not be all that great (we find out tomorrow), so he needed someone to get upset at. And he is probably tired at being upset at Lana.
Source: M. Y. Ass
cartoon_soldier
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Video of said hug?
The kids at WrassleGAF thread have a .gif. I honestly cannot tell what is going on in that gif, seemed harmless.
Tom Nook
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plagiarize
Banned
I spotted that as they were going off air and I genuinely thought 'Uhoh'. I'm not remotely surprised. It's harsh, but you could see that Vince was pretty pissed about it. Titus probably meant nothing by it... but Vince isn't the sort of guy you should run over and hug when he's crying.
shaowebb
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GOLDBERG WAS A 90s WRESTLER.
This is him today.
Bringing back folks 20 years past their prime is NOT the way to save a company. Seriously. Stop turning feds into retirement homes and putting straps on folks too old to bump. Especially old guys with strong man gimmicks. They can't perform like they used to in those roles and its mutually detrimental to both the product and the wrestler's health and legacy to use them this way.
Learn how to actually build folks based who ACTUALLY has real talent in the ring. Stone Cold didn't have the look, neither did Foley, Shawn was "too small" for years, and look at Dusty Rhodes way back in NWA. All. LEGENDS. Stop pushing gimmicks that are cornball, stop making your product into cartoon character cookie cutter gimmicks that don't work if you want folks to think "thats my definition of tough heroes" and start pushing wrestlers that wrestle. Size doesn't matter. Look doesn't matter. All that matters is what kind of reaction they can draw on their own in the ring and most of the roster they push have very minimal ring experience outside the WWE. Look at the guys who were MONSTERS in the indies. Those are your performers. NOT GOLDBERG 20 years past his prime!
shaowebb
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Agreed. This would be a MUCH better format.
Sibersk Esto
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Stone Cold most certainly had a look
That dude is gonna kick someone's ass. No one gave a shit how he wrestled. He was booked to kick someone's ass and had the ring awareness to pull it off with a limited moveset.
Mankind was booked to be a weird psycho, so he looked like a weird psycho. He had great psychology, could bump like a mother fucker, took insane risks, and for god's sake listen to the man's promo.
Dusty had a great set of heels to go up against as he played the common man character. He had an instant recognizable look, because he didn't look like everyone else.
All of these guys succeeded because they were smart, knew their strengths, and had the booking to help. It takes more than looking good in an indy spot fest to become a legendary wrestler.
That dude is gonna kick someone's ass. No one gave a shit how he wrestled. He was booked to kick someone's ass and had the ring awareness to pull it off with a limited moveset.
Mankind was booked to be a weird psycho, so he looked like a weird psycho. He had great psychology, could bump like a mother fucker, took insane risks, and for god's sake listen to the man's promo.
Dusty had a great set of heels to go up against as he played the common man character. He had an instant recognizable look, because he didn't look like everyone else.
All of these guys succeeded because they were smart, knew their strengths, and had the booking to help. It takes more than looking good in an indy spot fest to become a legendary wrestler.
Bruce Springsteen
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just naturally bad ass, damn, they don't make em like they used to
shaowebb
Member
But not "the look" that's traditional. Hell it was half his angle as champ over why Vince's supposedly hated him. Vince is back to trying to find "the look" of a long haired bodybuilder to sell merch and put on t-shirts. It aint working and he doesn't get it. Remember that originally Steve wanted to get over in the company and was a smiling babyface called Stunning Steve trying to have "the look". His finish was "the Stun Gun" and he'd pretty much snake eyez folks on the rope.
It wasn't till later when he left that he came up with the "Stone Cold" gimmick after seeing some movie with a character called "the Iceman" who was a badass and he reinvented himself out there in ECW. Vince bought him back, but largely he MADE himself out there. Vince needs to learn how to listen and let wrestlers be themselves more and he especially needs to learn to push folks who can actually wrestle and work a crowd with experience in the ring over his usual tactic of finding pretty bodybuilders and making them try to learn wrestling. Underwear models, and football players may be able to learn the business but student's shouldn't be trying to carry your product. Grab the folks who lived, ate, and breathed wrestling who were stars in the indies and push them regardless of look or size.
ratcliffja
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Again, this is not their decision. They were pressured into this by USA and are basically stuck this way. One day they'll probably have to bite the bullet and just go full network, as cable is a dying format anyway. The network itself is actually really well done, though the app could use some work. Ideally, they would three to four hours a week total among all programs. Without the pressure of WCW, there's no longer a need to do live weekly shows, so it would be nice to one day have everything but the PPVs be taped to makes life easier on the performers.
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